Panzer Skills

by **NightKiller** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 11:03 am

After playing on teh ECG Beach Server wth a pnazer yesterday and listening to hwo people called panzer players pussy's i decided to make this post. This article has been quoted from Frog on Xfire:
http://www.xfire.be/content/show/index.php?show=55

Because I have heared too many times that it doesn't require any skill to be a good panzer, I wrote this article.

It is true that any player can make multikills, but a good panzer does that all the time. And a good panzer does more then just splutting enemies. By taking the flag back, he keeps disorganising the offence or defence of the opponent. Also, if he makes a lot a kills, he makes it easier for his teammates to kill the enemies, because they will keep more distance between eachother to prevent mass-panzer-slauthering.

These are the most important skills a panzer should control to be the most useful for his team:

Know where to shoot

Never shoot on the player himself: always against fixed objects like walls, ceilings, floors, trees, boxes, fences etc.
Always shoot on the spot that will kill/gib the most enemies. Often it is better to gib 2 then kill 3.

Example: beach/axis: There is 1 allie in the trenches and 1 on the grass. You shoot on the net on top of the trenches so they will both die.

Aim/Reaction

Yep, aim, that's right. If you have an MP40 it doesn't matter when you miss a couple of bullets, but when you miss with a panzer, you will be pretty useless to your team for the following 20 seconds. Besides, missing a panzer is often THE moment for the team on offence to do a mass-attack, like on base on the northeast-tower.
If you are getting shot at while shooting a panzer, you need aim for sure to get the panzer on the spot you intended to, defenitely when you are hit by a sniper.

Example: beach/axis: Allies got the docs, you and some teammates are on top of the radiostairs. Allies are coming up the stairs. On the moment you press your mousebutton, an allie shoots at you and you fall back of the railing. Because of this you shoot on the floor and splut yourself and 3 teammates. gg!

Patience

Often it is better not to shoot if you only see 1 enemy. Most times there will follow more who are not keeping a lot of distance between eachother, because they don't expect there will be a panzer after the first one came by.

Example: village/axis: Allies have stolen the gold, you are in the southtower, your whole team is dead. 3 allies run close together past the tower. You don't shoot! 5 seconds later the you see the allie with the gold and vaporize him, jump down and return the gold.

Stealth

Until you decide to shoot, it's best the enemies have no idea where you are.
While your panzer is recharging, you are very vulnerable, so you have to move without the enemy spotting you.

Example: base/allies: Without any of the axis noticing, you sneak to the house on the left of the axis spawn, so you can spawnkill.

Know where the others of your team are

It's a waste of your panzer to shoot at only 1 enemy. When you know where your teammates are and know that one of them will be able to shoot that single enemy down, you can decide to let him go.

Example: beach/axis: You are in the radioroom and see an allie on upperbase walking to the backstairs. When you know there one of your teammates is in the basement, you don't shoot. If there isn't, you do.

Mind your own spawntime:

When you shoot your first panzer 20+ seconds before your own spawn, you can do /kill right after shooting your second. This way you are able to shoot 2 panzers every 30 seconds instead of every 40 (on maps with 30 secs spawntime).
Often it's the panzer's job to get the flag back. You should know how long it takes to get to the flag from your position. If you start on the right time, you will never get a long spawn if you get shot while getting the flag.

Example: beach/axis: 7 seconds before your own spawn you jump down from upper base to get the flag. When you enter the forward bunker the allies spawn. You get shot and spawn right away and spawnkill the allies.

Mind the enemy's spawntime

Ofcourse you have to know their spawntime to be able to spawnkill.
Also it is important, so you won't shoot the enemy a couple of seconds before their spawn and they will respawn again right away. You have to be so smart to wait a couple of seconds then.

Example: base/allies: You know the axis spawn at 14/44. You are hiding in the tunnel, the time is 5:50 and there are 2 axis standing on the bridge. You wait till it's 5:43 and then shoot (on the fence ofcourse), so they will miss their spawn and there will only be 4 axis left during the next 30 seconds.

Look what classes the enemies you can shoot are:

Often it is the best to shoot the medics, sometimes the engi or panzer. Lieutenants are the least panzerfragworthy (nice word huh?) in my opinion.

Example: assault/allies: There are 4 (2 meds, 1 lt, 1 engi) axis at the towers. You could easily kill a medic and a lieutenant, but you decide to only shoot on the engineer. He is gibbed and has to respawn and come all the way to the tower again. This will give the rest of your team enough time to retake the tower.

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All these factors are part of the decision, which mostly you have to make in less than a second, whether and where you shoot. And this is not as easy as a lot of players seem to think.
To master these points or not, will make the difference between a panzer who got multikills once in a while, but also dies alot and gets long spawntimes, and a panzer who gets multikills again and again, gets the flag back time after time, /kills, spawnkills, kills, takes flag back, /kills, spawnkills...etc...so a panzer who drives the opponent crazy

So now you now how to become a good panzer and why panzers do require skill.

by **NightKiller** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 11:05 am

Movies to go along with this:
Panzer by Frog
Mirror One:
http://www.demohq.com/download.php?op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=144&ttitle=FrogPanzah
Mirror Two:
http://www.demohq.com/download.php?op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=144&ttitle=FrogPanzah

by **Knight_Rider** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 5:25 pm

I try not to read manuals before playing. So I'll just skip the panzer and revive what u didnt splatter al over the walls as a medic

by **NightKiller** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 8:16 pm

lol, good luck

by **=XAV=** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 4:05 pm

After reading that long looong loooooooooooonnnnng article, I'm tired, NO, SORRY, I totally agree with the author. It's what I explained elsewhere about flamethrower: according to me is a panzer (or a flame thrower) some way to weaken the enemy by splitting him. Meanwhile your team is able to re build as defender or to open a gate in the defence...
bye

by **NightKiller** » Thu Sep 04, 2003 9:16 pm

exactly! why do so little people understnad this

by **Skatboy** » Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:42 pm

My God that was long. You made some good points but damn you need a good editor

by **Skatboy** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 5:06 pm

by **Drax** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:34 pm

man that was damn long i dont use the panzer (hate it) but when i do its kinda fun. getting killed by a panzer is not fun its frustrating.

by **ComTech** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:51 pm

I think that when most people call panzer pussies is when they take out only 1 person with a shot. Usually a noob will do this however if you have the docs even a seasoned player is going to frag you.

Some people just hate getting killed by panzers and since they never use a panzer they figure it does not require skill to use it. This simply is not true, all of the wepons require skill to use effectively. All of the points listed above are valid ones.

One of the people that does a lot of killing with a panzer is Riot also called Anguish and a variety of other names on this server. I have heard a lot of people say he couldn't play without the Panzer but if you watch him or check his stats you will see this is not true.

Yes I know he talks a lot of trash and can be real annoying at times but few people have over a 36% accuracy no matter what class they play. If you really take a look you will see he plays soldier less than half of the time and not all of that time is with a panzer in his hands. A quick look at weapons shows you he is a proficient killer with a wide variety of weapons.

Do not make the mistake of thinking that just because someone has a panzer means he cannot kill with anything else. All of the weapons require skill to use effectively and none of them are very effective in the hands of a noob. Not there is anything wrong with being a noob. We were all noobs once, and besides how else are you going to kill al ot of people with a Panzer or any other weapon for that matter. Thank God for noobs. We just wish you were all on the other side.LOL.

Just kidding really. I enjoy the games most where the docs change hands frequently the whole game and the teams are evenly matched. That gives you a much greater sense of accomplishment when you win than just fraggin noobs all night.

by **(SEETHER)** » Fri Sep 12, 2003 7:11 pm

Originally posted by ComTech
I enjoy the games most where the docs change hands frequently the whole game and the teams are evenly matched. That gives you a much greater sense of accomplishment when you win than just fraggin noobs all night.

I agree those types of games gives me the excitement that I need. The one sided fights are absolutely no fun.

Suggested Limits : Allies 4 Panzers, Axis 2 Panzers. All other weapons are fine as they are.

:flame:

S.S.SEETHER

by **[U.S.C] Amaryl** » Sun Sep 14, 2003 5:17 am

another moment to be called "lame, pussy" is when you kill the docs carrier when he is running upstairs in radio stairs, that cannot hold it and get piss off because of the closest place to win the match and all goes to hell because of a panzer...

by **(SEETHER)** » Sun Sep 14, 2003 3:25 pm

Originally posted by [U.S.C] Amaryl
another moment to be called "lame, pussy" is when you kill the docs carrier when he is running upstairs in radio stairs, that cannot hold it and get piss off because of the closest place to win the match and all goes to hell because of a panzer...

Umm, I got the what you were trying to say. The end doesn't make much sense.

When that happens to me, someone kills me with a panzer right before I enter the Radio Room, I just tell the person "Cheap" and try again.

:flame:

S.S.SEETHER

by **ComTech** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 1:21 pm

To me thats just smart play. The idea is to win the game. If you got that far you are pretty close to winning and if I had a Panz in my hands I would use it to stop you. I would expect nothing less of a guy on the other side. Just luck of the draw.

What bugs me is when all the good players stay on one side all night fraggin noobs. Personally after winning a few in a row I will tend to join the other side to give them a hand. That doesn't do much for your stats but I don't play for stats.

I play for those rare games where both sides are evenly matched and the docs keep changing hands right up to the end.

The best game I can remember on the server lasted the whole 25 minutes less one second with the allies bringing in the docs. They had been in the RR several times during the game but could not get them to the Transmitter. It was that close. What a game!

by **(SEETHER)** » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:08 pm

I have had a few of those games. I agree it is loads of fun when that happens.

:flame:

S.S.SEETHER

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