RTCW - The Harsh State Of Things

[=CaK= YoShI Profile]

but who here really uses default config?

Most noobs use default configs.

[picmip Profile]

Most noobs use default configs.

SS.Maria and warpig does, Maria is better though.. and speaks better english also.

[SavageParrot Profile]

http://www.pbbans.com/mbi-viewban-7f091c22-vb182045.html
http://www.pbbans.com/mbi-viewban-dc01f42c-vb178093.html
[PBBans:140428 08.16.2009] 59b389e10c112075c493d7cabec65e51 "CrunkCory" "24.99.*.*" "MD5TOOL 9002"
[PBBans:71701 05.26.2008] 0c270a6bc6e50aa5636ef37a8558d3ae "|LBM|KING!" "212.242.*.*" "VIDEO DRIVER HACK #90003"
[PBBans:71167 05.21.2008] c47bbaa98712ecd845eec855d522341b "wTh|killa" "72.93.*.*" "MD5TOOL #9002 - (hackdump (len=16))"

That took 2 mins for the admins out there GG

Lol and the bans came from where?

Seems to me like the system works pretty well at keeping the hacks off the server...

[B]

In 2 minute and counting Gamb will have a response for you Parrot.


Edit* Gamb must be typing a book or he is just slow. I'll pick he is just slow.

[Gamb Profile]

I chose these in particular since they were caught on ECGN and they are streaming. First it is to point out and prove there are people using cheats on the server still. Second if you look into it they are old hacks which is to point out that PB has not updated the anti cheats in years. Is it just somebody that is just that dumb or is it someone using an old hack they have altered but can still be recognized.

On the ban list you will notice someone with an alias of something like "Lookhowezchangeguid" around 12 times in a row.

Now after I show you this you say it looks like the system is working well? Lol works well at catching hacks that are 2yrs old or older but nothing past November 2008. http://www.evenbalance.com/index.php?page=support-rtcw.php Do you honestly believe that nobody in all that time has made a new hack? If Donny will allow it I will post a link to a cheat site that shows new ones have been made and are not detectable.

[SavageParrot Profile]

I chose these in particular since they were caught on ECGN and they are streaming. First it is to point out and prove there are people using cheats on the server still. Second if you look into it they are old hacks which is to point out that PB has not updated the anti cheats in years. Is it just somebody that is just that dumb or is it someone using an old hack they have altered but can still be recognized.

On the ban list you will notice someone with an alias of something like "Lookhowezchangeguid" around 12 times in a row.

Now after I show you this you say it looks like the system is working well? Lol works well at catching hacks that are 2yrs old or older but nothing past November 2008. http://www.evenbalance.com/index.php?page=support-rtcw.php Do you honestly believe that nobody in all that time has made a new hack? If Donny will allow it I will post a link to a cheat site that shows new ones have been made and are not detectable.

They are easily detectable. You spec them for 5 minutes and then you make a video mocking them and ban their IP.

There's no drama here except the drama created by the tireless pursuit of trying to ban people who don't show any evidence of hacks in their gameplay just because people don't like getting their arses handed to them.

Changing GUID isn't exactly a crime either. It shows that they had 5 minutes to learn how to change GUID at will and then had 20 seconds at the beginning of the game to follow the ludicrously easy steps. If I had to deal with retards spamming me with scripts written to pm me x number of times a second because they think I hack I'm pretty sure I'd play with a different GUID every time as well. This is assuming that they aren't just doing it because they don't have a legal copy and can't ever remember the lat 2 digits they used the last time they played...

In fact I've played quite a few times with a different GUID in the past because I wanted to spec players without them knowing I was on the prowl. It's really not hard.

I have 0 issues with banning people that can be proven to be hacking but I don't believe in hacks that you can't see.

[Gamb Profile]

Ya you are right on top of things, it must have been you that caught the cheaters on ECGN recently that i posted. Oh wait you didnt. But you just said how EZ it was to spot them. Hmmm how did they manage to elude your magic eye?

No offense but based on your previous posts I highly doubt your self proclaimed abilities to spot a cheater today. I suspect in fact that you rely solely on PB

[SavageParrot Profile]

Ya you are right on top of things, it must have been you that caught the cheaters on ECGN recently that i posted. Oh wait you didnt. But you just said how EZ it was to spot them. Hmmm how did they manage to elude your magic eye?

No offense but based on your previous posts I highly doubt your self proclaimed abilities to spot a cheater today. I suspect in fact that you rely solely on PB

Lol that assumes that they even got to play with the hack and didn't get instantly banned when the connected... Which is a pretty big assumption.

[Juventus Profile]

Sorry all but recent topics and posts have led me to want to make this post. This debate about hacking will go on until the game eventually dies off because nothing was done about it.

I stopped playing ECGN last year. I’m just putting forward what I believe is the harsh state of things for RTCW and ECGN. I used to love playing ECGN so apologies for the length of post.

There are hacks on ECGN, a small minority but in my honest opinion there are obvious hacks/bots. Honest players get into abusive spouts with these hackers because they know they are being conned, some turn a blind eye, others leave the game altogether.

The community of ECGN rely on PunkBuster to provide sufficient hack updates for a game that’s now 10 years old, this is aimed to prevent coders either hacking the game themselves and players going out and buying professionally made multi-hacks that won’t be caught by PunkBuster.

PunkBuster for RTCW is now dated. They won’t provide the support needed to prevent multi-hacks being used on ECGN and they haven’t for years.

If you honestly believe there are no hacks on ECGN or even RTCW then I’m sorry but you must be delusional. The fact that a caught hacker can simply go out and buy a new GUID to get around the ban and there’s a video on YouTube of some random player testing an undetected hack on ECGN just further ridicules the situation.

I have no proof and won’t mention who myself and others believe are hacks/bots, but the fact is there’s nothing to stop them anymore and It’s the same names mentioned every time, by experienced, decent players.

The sad thing is there are some very good honest players on the server who have played the game for long enough to know how the game engine works and they either leave the game altogether or turn a blind eye in the hope PB will eventually catch those “names” who are continually accused on these forums.

Many players who are very good at the game and played it for years question this small minority and rightly so, some of the stuff they pull off in game is borderline ridiculous. Not only that but they play for themselves, cause all sorts of problems with the balance of the game and to be blunt just suck the fun out of the game.

Some of you stop kidding yourselves that this continuously mentioned minority of players, who continuously crop up into these topics on the forum and on the server, who whilst playing can clear a room of 6 opposition with ease on their own in ridiculous situations, whilst taking little damage from other very good players, whilst permanently having sprint and without tapping shoot get very little bullet spread... are not hacking.

My opinion is those of you who protect these players are either hacking yourself, a pal of theirs and just sticking up for them or clueless as to how the game should work.

Ill stress that some players on the server do call out hacks far too easily and openly (I’m sure the regulars can list a few if they wanted). There are some very, very good players on ECGN who have learned the game for years and consequently get the better of players on a regular basis...that’s life.

But there are a small minority who consistently defy the games engine and pull off what is supposed to be impossible in the game.

Whilst spectating you see these players pull off stats like 1-3 headshot to bullet ratio in multiple 1 against 5 fire fight situations on a regular basis without tapping shoot, whilst sprinting...Give me a break, no one is that good. This ratio then becomes higher to about a feasible 1-6 once you take into account random fire situations and pre fire etc.

Honest players just take it on the chin because nothing will be done and they enjoy the game so much...or they leave the game because the competitiveness is void when a bot is doing the work for some.

I find it stupid that there are very obvious players on ECGN who are using multi-hacks, the community continuously complains about them, some have even been banned before (either by PB and they got a new GUID or by an admin of the server), they are generally manipulative to honest players and abusive...yet nothing is done about their continuous BS.

The only person that canprevent hacks on ECGN now in my honest opinion is MAA. He would have to take a no proof needed attitude towards hackers so that the server regulars could at least be sure something is being done to prevent it other than waiting for PB to update.

As I’ve mentioned I don’t think PB will keep the game clean, it’s too old and dated. You can’t rely on screenshots or demos to prove anything as the hacks are very well made, have various features that can literally be turned on or off at the click of a button and most importantly subtle, coders make fortunes from selling them for all sorts of fps games so they have to be.

For the above reasons I believe only MAA can provide the fix by reviewing and analysing players that are accused and making a decision based on his own experience on how the game engine should work.

Whether the deciding factor be the players attitude, stats, or the way he / she plays or whether MAA simply believes they are not legit. Turning a blind eye hoping PB is going to prevent this minority has been hurting the server for years, whether it be because of people leaving for a more honest game or the constant arguments that occur between the regulars and these hackers on the server & forum.

Admins can’t do this because they take sides within the community and are biased.

The server as far as I’m aware is MAA's, and for this reason he can take an unbiased, analytic approach with the problem players consistently mentioned throughout these threads and decide as to if they are beneficial for his servers prosperity. If he deems they aren’t then IP ban them to avoid them getting a new GUID and be done with it.

It sounds silly but that’s the only way you will prevent honest players leaving the greatest game and server for newer games that are better updated & supported to prevent hacking.

It will also prevent hackers and verbal abuse that occurs on the server as everyone would be made aware there’s a zero tolerance “you don’t need to be caught by PB to end up banned” attitude being enforced.

MAA may get 1 or 2 decisions wrong, but I’m 90% sure if the above were to happen the majority of those reviewed & banned would either be hackers that weren’t caught by PB or just players the server is better off without to keep it a fun place to game.

I don’t give a shit if this post gets laughed at or ridiculed. I’m fairly sure I know the names of those who will mock it. I know the above sounds all serious but try to understand RTCW was a hobby of mine until the above situation got out of hand – id like it back if possible but don’t find it fun when there are regular hackers and griefers playing the server every day.

The sooner something is done about it the better. I don’t play anymore, loved the server and its community. But while these obvious hackers are on ECGN and for some reason protected with this "innocent until proven guilty by PB" attitude and are allowed to get there kicks by griefing fellow gamers, people will leave for inferior, but more protected & competitive games.

You will be closer to a more honest, hack free, less abusive server with the above methodology, rather than waiting for a dated PunkBuster to update a 10 year old game they no longer care about and view as a lost cause.

[Slaughter2 Profile]

I think I can speak for everyone when I say you're awfully more thin than we pictured you.

lol is that Rem playing

[=TAO=WARPIG Profile]

But I totally agree with Method. Cmon we've played this game for years we know the engine inside and out. those that defy its logic have to be up to something, bottom line.

imo the most accurate statement in this whole topic. Something is up and it's getting to the point of making it time to find another game.
Source,
*You do not take damage the same way 99.9% of the other enemies I am facing and have faced for approx: 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 years.
*You still manage to make headshots even after I make it to cover, for some reason your bullets are not seeing the walls.
*too many instances of knowing EXACTLY when an enemy is rounding a corner. sure you can guess it some of the time...but NOBODY would be correct 100% of the time. It's simply impossible in this game.

A game that for the first year I was in TAO I logged between 8-12 hours a day playing. 4 times as much time as the nearest TAO player for that year. (the server kept track).
I understand this engine and EVERYTHING that it can and can't do. FFS I think I've ran the beach more than I walked in real life.

and just to the usual douchebags who come on and say "ah warpig you suck", Go fuck yourself. I've been in control of just about every game I've ever played with nothing more than an ancient 886mhz pc, an old ball mouse and a 100% stock cfg.

It's time to end the bullshit. Simple solution: Take a poll of the regulars who play everyday, name a player, F1 for bullshit, F2 for legit. I know for sure the server would lose 3-5 players. It ain't just me saying this shit, when players like Grom, Edge and a few others are calling bullshit...then it's bullshit.

[Paco's Gun Profile]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g094B573iWI

[Martin Profile]

Source,
*You do not take damage the same way 99.9% of the other enemies I am facing and have faced for approx: 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 years.
*You still manage to make headshots even after I make it to cover, for some reason your bullets are not seeing the walls.
*too many instances of knowing EXACTLY when an enemy is rounding a corner. sure you can guess it some of the time...but NOBODY would be correct 100% of the time. It's simply impossible in this game.

...
I understand this engine and EVERYTHING that it can and can't do.

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/7004823/

[likethat]

LOL My wife came home one day and showed me the same kind of remixes like that, but with a hospital theme. I was rolling.

[skibby Profile]

mon we've played this game for years we know the engine inside and out.

this made me laugh out loud. You all are BEYOND clueless on how this engine works. Not a single one of you haters knows how to even strafe jump....one of the most basic and common movements in wolf (for people who have a clue that is).