RTCW - The Harsh State Of Things

[Paco's Gun Profile]

That is a drastic oversimplification of the networking process. 50-100ms may not be a long time, but you add standard input lag, monitor lag and refresh time, built in engine lag (50ms), non-constant ping, dropped packets, antilag and high server load and everyone is looking at between 110-200ms+ depending on the situation.

[crapshoot Profile]

You guys need to stop telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about.

then stop trolling. if you know what you are talking about, you wouldn't make ridiculous claims like "bullets aren't seeing walls". collision detection is 100% server side. there is no possible way a client can alter that. i'd be happy to show you the exact code that calculates it.

want to know why it appears that you sometimes get hit when well behind a corner. then read this: unlagging your mod. shrub added haste's unlagged code to the mod btw.

as for ping, it doesn't matter who you talked to. anyone with a basic understanding of how RTCW works knows that once you start getting into 80+ ping ranges that shooting moving targets becomes a lot harder. it's easy to see why when you render the hitboxes.

[Juventus Profile]

Just a couple things I wanna note. First, Juventus, you of all people should know that most "professional" configs(assuming hackless) take out everything but players. This includes light, but also includes boxes, shrubbery, yada yada, all gone. This makes for a faster config.

Secondly, ping makes a world of difference. The reason it appears bullets are going around the corner is because for someone with a >100 ping even though it appears you are around the corner the server didn't yet register you as being around the corner and the guy shooting you is a <50 pinger so his bullet still hits you because his ping is closer to the server therefore you still get hit. I know it's gay but that's the way ping works. I think it's laffable that people still talk about the engine, it's not the engine it's the ping, or rather, lag. That's not to say that hacking isn't going on, but you need to be able to explain the stuff that doesn't involve hacking.

What the hell is a professional config?

I only thing I like to do is make it brighter with mapoverbrightbits or picmip or something. I don't even remember most of the cvars anymore so I play pretty simplified.

[=TAO=WARPIG Profile]

I only thing I like to do is make it brighter with mapoverbrightbits or picmip or something. I don't even remember most of the cvars anymore so I play pretty simplified.

picmip and picmip2 control textures

Here's the final thing I'll input into this unless someone asks a question because honestly it's like the Democrats against the Republicans.
You believe what you want to believe and I'll do the same.

I get killed in the game more than I kill. I lose one on ones against many regs on the server all the time. BUT when these players kill me it always appears to be a fair match. At the end of the fight I don't find myself saying "wtf just happened there?"

Now I can see that happening against certain players once in a great while but this is not the case with some players. With certain players there is something questionable or strange with 75% of their kills. This is not only happening to me, it happens to a lot of players and we already now this as fact so no sense going over that again for the 1000th time.

What's funny is these guys probably would have killed me anyway but why did something strange have to happen during the battle? over and over and..

That's the question here.
You got your opinion
I got mine

and crapshoot, fuck you buddy with the trolling comment. This is the place to discuss this shit. This is why I'm telling players to come to this forum. You wouldn't believe how many regs say "What forum?"
Every match I play has one douchebag or another, meaning Paco or Nigel, saying warpig this warpig that, and of course I gotta make them look like the shitheads that they are during the game. It's time consuming.

The server is for playing. You guys want to have a tea party then do it here. I read every post.

[Martin Profile]

and crapshoot, fuck you buddy with the trolling comment. This is the place to discuss this shit.

Crapshoot is not trolling, he is pointing out how you don't understand unlag, despite talking to "People who know". He was also kind enough to provide the complete code used for unlag. You might want to read section 2 in the link he provided. FWIW, Crapshoot is one of the few people who does fully understand how the netcode works.

[crapshoot Profile]

and crapshoot, fuck you buddy

look, i don't doubt that there are some nerds who need to hack this 10 year old game with one server left, but baseless hack accusations don't help anything. honestly, who cares at this point? if they are so terrible that they need hacks on ecgn, then maybe it's a client slot that wouldn't have been filled without that crutch.

[SuPer PuZZy]

song for the hackerssssss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4

[likethat]

HAHA! That is fucking funny. Almost as good as my new hair cut!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQIvusv0Nrc

[Larry King Profile]

You believe what you want to believe and I'll do the same.

Right. That's an enlightened attitude. When presented with facts and knowledge from people who've actually taken the time to learn what it is they're talking about, you're just going to assume you're right, and whatever idiot friends you've leaned on for information are also right. Based on the things I've read from you in this and other threads, you and your friends have no idea what exactly is going on in the game engine other than what you've made up to justify to yourself not being good at a game you've put as much of your life into as a full-time job over the past decade.

With certain players there is something questionable or strange with 75% of their kills.

The only strange thing is that you just can't seem to wrap your mind around the fact that someone might not be cheating or taking advantage of a situation to be better at the game than you are. It happens. There is almost always something better than someone else in this world. That's just the way it works. The people that can't accept that are generally miserable and unhappy and take out their frustrations on other people. Should I hand you a mirror?

Let me just give you one factor in all this, and it's not a personal shot at you: Age. I'll expound on Juventus' athlete comparison. As athletes get older (and humans in general), they lose reaction time and reflexes. It happens. It's part of the aging process. I would imagine that these people you berate for actually being good at the game are all around 20 years younger than yourself. Twenty years younger and faster. Why do you think athletes retire when they get older? It's because they can't keep up with the younger people. There's no shame in it. The graceful ones are the ones that realize it and don't get mean, bitter, and completely disillusioned with the scenario. They know when to step away, or how to continue doing what they're doing in a way in which they can still enjoy it. The sad ones are the ones like Evander Holyfield, who think that despite time dragging them down, they are still as good, fast, and strong as they ever were. They're the ones who continue on well past their primes, well past the point where they're as good as they think they are, and take out their frustrations on those that are better or quicker or younger or smarter or whatever it is than they are.

Guess which category you fall into? Just because you've played 20,000 hours of the game doesn't mean you're automatically good. Scoring 518 points doesn't make you good. Hell, even Buster Douglas beat Mike Tyson once.

One of two things will happen with you:

1) You will accept that you aren't as good as these guys and find a way to enjoy the game

or

2) You will not, and you will continue to believe in your head that you are as good as they are goddamnit, and they have to be cheating just because hell, no one can kill the guy who scored 518 points in a round on a 24/7 beach server that one time! - and continue to be miserable. No matter how you spin it, you come off as miserable.

and crapshoot, fuck you buddy with the trolling comment. This is the place to discuss this shit.

I would bet dollars to dimes that Crapshoot knows more about the Quake 3/RtCW/ET engine than you or anyone whose opinion you may have asked for. Crapshoot has done remarkable things with this game engine, has seen and manipulated the source code, and studied what he is talking about. He was probably better at RtCW than yourself, too. You do come across trollish, but you come across more like this:

This is why I'm telling players to come to this forum.

The only reason you tell players to come to this forum is to try and incite a witch hunt against players that are better than you are. It's nothing so noble as to get them to be a part of the community or to voice their concerns; it's so you can recruit people to your anti-source/nigel/remedy/any player better than yourself bandwagon. Did you promise them a free torch and pitchfork for signing up and complaining about them?

Besides that, you come across as a child who stomps his feet and cries in a temper-tantrum. WAHH! THEY CHEAT! I KNOW IT! I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS IT, LOOK I GOT SS_MARIA TO REGISTER AND SAY SO TOO! THAT'S ALL THE PROOF YOU NEED! BAN THE PLAYERS THAN ARE BETTER NOOOOOOOOWWWW!

Really dude, take a step back and see this instead of continuing to get chumpatized in-game and in-forum.

Every match I play has one douchebag or another, meaning Paco or Nigel, saying warpig this warpig that, and of course I gotta make them look like the shitheads that they are during the game. It's time consuming.

LOL you hero you! The only reason they say anything to you is because it's like putting a quarter in the crazy homeless man's cup. Hopefully he gets up, does his song and dance, and rants crazily about one thing or another. 9/10 times it works, and even though I hate ECGN, I'll connect to the server just to see you act like that. It's amazing picturing someone only a decade younger than my father and not much younger than the president of the United States acting like a complete child and throwing all logic and reason to the wind..and all just because you can't accept that someone is better than you are at the game.

By the way, please tell me how to remove boxes from the maps with a simple command. Please. I would love to know that. And the trees, too. If you know these things, share them with the group. There's only one command that really affects the trees, and it's limited by the cvar restrictions at ECGN. Sure, you can dumb down the graphics and turn up the brightness, but you really can't accomplish much else.

Another helpful tip: Next time you're in the server, type /pb_cvarlist in your console. Screenshot the results. Then google these things, and see what it is people have the ability to change or not change in the server. Maybe then you will see you are 100% wrong on everything you are accusing these people of.

Probably not. You'll probably insist on being the same sad, deluded, stubborn man you are and most likely always will be. Sorry that you can't enjoy this game. Maybe there's an easier one out there somewhere, or ECGN will open the 24/7 Retirement Home server, where you really can be the best of the bunch.

[SavageParrot Profile]

No, that's the fastest way to kill a server. Very few of my later bans relied on PB. PB is just one of many tools an admin has to use. PB screenshots have nearly always been worthless. Most hacks get around that easy. But you can't ban for a blank screenshot, because that is not a guarantee of a hack. You can't ban based on player opinion. That's democracy - also known as mob rule. It's two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. No, you rely on multiple demo evidence. You log on with secret GUIDs and record them every time they play. You gather evidence and make a decision based only on that evidence.

[SavageParrot Profile]

The only difference here is the ADMIN aka Donny has no vested interest and just doesnt care.

Ok that made me laugh.

You do realise that the only reason the server is still here is because of Donny right? I mean it's not like a 64 player server for a 10 year old game is a valuable advertising tool. If he wasn't putting in the effort to keep it running then I would lay bets it would have ceased to exist 3 or 4 years ago.

If that's not caring then I'm fucked if I know what would be. Maybe he should have bought and van a driven around the world giving out sexual favours to everyone that has ever played on the server.

Also, and I'm aware that I'm being repetitive here, his method of running a server has seen a server that has been (and still is) consistently populated where other servers which have apparently been run so much more 'professionally' all choked and died. If all these little gems for how to run a server properly weren't coming from the 'management teams' of servers that died empty maybe people might give a shit...

[=TAO=WARPIG Profile]

Sorry Larry I guess I lied, I don't read every post, only the first sentence and it tells me if I should waste my time or not on the rest. Too bad you wasted yours.

Just join the server Larry, Martin, Crap and I'll show you how much I don't know about the game and you can show me how much you do.

Seems that some of the "superstars" know when a victory run is coming up...so they dissappear right before it happens. After I straightened out a little problem I was having with my mouse yesterday, I don't think I was on a losing team once. The best one was later in the day when I grabbed the docs killed the 3 axis in the WR by myself, then 4 more (in one on one's) while I took the docs long. TOUCHDOWN for the 7th time yesterday.

Thank god I can't aim, only camp a file cabinet and don't know shit.

Log-on or STFU. I practically live there. And don't be shy, let me know that you're there so we can straighten out some issues you have. Stop hiding. I play as "Humungus" and pretty much everyone knows this. What do you play as?

[likethat]

Not to be trolling but this is hand eye coordination not physical effort. Being 20 has nothing to do with video game ability, Ubernoob aka -Tv- dinosaur is over 40. Does he suck? Oh and there are plenty of athletes that are or were over 40 handing young guys there asses in all sports.

[=TAO=WARPIG Profile]

Not to be trolling but this is hand eye coordination not physical effort. Being 20 has nothing to do with video game ability, Ubernoob aka -Tv- dinosaur is over 40. Does he suck? Oh and there are plenty of athletes that are or were over 40 handing young guys there asses in all sports.

Very good point LT and don't concern yourself with "trolling". If and when people make stupid comments then they're gettting a reply.

Now back to the topic of aged players. I was thinking of Meyer the other day. He is amazing that he can still compete better than most of these clowns that are in their 20's. I only hope to be half as sharp at that age...if I live that long.

I don't give the slightest fuck what anyone thinks of me and if they can't see that by now then...Too fucking bad for them.
I'll never change and if gets people to the point where they re-install then that's a major plus for the server. Anyone notice the amount of players recently? Yesterday I heard someone complain that "there's too many people here". GOOD MORE TO KILL.

[skibby Profile]

likethat i think he was just trying to be nice and give warpig some of his dignity back. lol...

Oh and i asked warpig to show me how to strafe jump yesterday - he just jumped forward. He really knows what he is talking about