Rules input

by **DrNoob** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:03 pm

A discussion came up during a game concerning using salute for drag/push. Some guidance on using salute for these purposes should be included to avoid future confusion.

by **DocTrebor** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:47 pm

I drag bodies away from medics trying to revive them whilst gibbing them.

by **Keekanoo** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:09 pm

Igor was banned for tk'ing/bleeding repeatedly.

by **Keekanoo** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:10 pm

Originally posted by DrNoob
A discussion came up during a game concerning using salute for drag/push. Some guidance on using salute for these purposes should be included to avoid future confusion.

Good point.

by **PL_M@ster** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:41 pm

by **^wo0t** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:48 pm

Originally posted by Keekanoo
No team-bleeding on purpose. Please refrain from 'getting his attention' by bleeding someone. Even if it's a friend. Noobs see others doing it and think it must be ok for them too. Has to be a black and white issue, and that's the way the admins have to look at it.

This is silly, this is used in many a late-nite sessions w/ no admins around and no issue. It should only be an issue if brought to an admins attention, like most other issues. I have no problem w/ a noob shooting me to get my attention as long as he's screaming for something and i'm not noticing. The only thing that bothers me is the random noob that walks around bleeding teammates for no apparent reason because that's not what I call a noob, I call that a trouble maker, the people admins should be speccing after getting complaints about them.

No blocking. Ie, don't stand/crouch/lean in doorways, middle of trenches, middle of stair-wells etc. Keep the flow moving. ECGN's RTCW utilizes a 6 second spawn shield, meaning you can't be damaged for the first 6 seconds upon spawning. Use this time to get to the front lines asap, or at the least move out of the way of those trying to do this. To move someone blocking you, bind a key with +salute. ie, /bind x +salute Then just push 'x' when coming up to a blocker and they will be shoved out of the way. DON'T bleed/tk your way through blockers. Even if spawn shield is on. Again, noobs see people doing this (bullets shove people) then think it's ok for them to do at anytime. Has to be a black-and-white issue. You are allowed to block enemies.

I've never really agreed w/ this rule. The only reason this rule exists is due to people trying to fire from the fwd bunker, which I would differentiate from shooting out of all doorways (is that not black and white? I'd give the noobs a little more credit or a swift kick, something you're proficient at). If a person is shooting thru a doorway, maybe you should wait for him to stop firing (at some point, they have to reload or if venom/sten, gun will overheat) instead of running out and getting hit or getting mad that you can't just run out the door and get killed by the people that are obviously firing in. "Leaning" out of doors does not block the doorway, I see no reason to have a rule against this unless you're just sick of a person having the upperhand on you in a gunfight. And at least if you crouch in a doorway, people can jump over you to get thru.

Names. Have to be a 3 letter/character minimum. Characters have to be ones people can easily /m a message to. Duplicate names not allowed. Wolfplayer as a stand-alone name not allowed. Names have to be visible and not be coded in such a way as to make normal text-messages or console info to become messed up. Inapropriate names (too long to list) not allowed. Keep it decent for family viewing. Name scripts are not allowed.
No verbal abuse or excessive foul language.

This game is rated M for mature. "Titles rated M - Mature have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain mature sexual themes, more intense violence and/or strong language". Any parents on the server complaining about the names they see should know better than to knowingly subject their children to a game that the ESRB has rated as M. These are the same people blaming the video games and rock music for their children going on a killing spree in the high schools. and words like 'cunt' are not going to reinforce one's attitude toward the oppression of women or hinder the womens civil rights in anyway (they do enough to themselves), even if you think so.

Sloppy play. Excessive sloppy play (ie constantly fireing through team-mates to get at the enemy, constant low-neg scores, etc) will result in removal from the server.

This is the grayest most obfuscated term that can pretty much be used to ban anyone for any single thing. Are you worried about people w/ constant low scores or people that constantly /kill? Lower the low negative score limit to -3. It's that easy. Oh yeah, then people will come post here, mad that they keep getting kicked, well then we'll all know who really has sloppy play, won't we? In addition, people not doing any work should be kicked (ie those who like to practice jumping the fwd bunker as their team is getting pummeled) or people that are global chatting excessively. It is annoying when playing for an objective, and you have a teammate trying to carry on a conversation that could very well be done in /m, on forums, or irc.

Spamming. Use of excessive voice-chat or team-chat or global chat spamming not allowed. Make a request for a medic, ammo, backup, etc, once or twice.

This should only be an issue if a certain person is complained about. Too many times do i see an admin in spec yelling at someone for team spamming that no one seemed to have a problem w/. You shouldn't have to give them a warning until someone complains about them, then watch them, give em a warning if you notice something, then mute/kick if they don't comply (take an SS of the convo so that we know you're not abusing your power. I can actually see you guys kicking someone no one complained about and then saying that someone complained). Is it that hard? I've seen spamming before w/ admins present. why didnt they say anything to that person, cuz they were too busy playing, which is how it should be.

Autosalute. Not to be used auto, or in such a manner that it adversely affects the movement of other players, either friend or foe, unless they are blockers. Can be used to 'trick-jump' walls, but has to be turned off IMMEDIATELY after the jump. Even if you're engaged by enemy fire. Not to be used during combat with other players to 'nudge' them or 'block' them from coming through a door after you. Bind it as above and use only to move a blocking friendly or feather it on to make a trick-jump.

What's the difference between "trick jumping" (not really trick jumping more like exploit, trick would be something you could perform on a vanilla rtcw server) and using +salute to move around the map faster as long as I turn it off around teammates?

I personally think +salute should be disabled as it was most likely designed w/ FF off in mind and also because it has a bug exploit in it.

No vote spamming. It's only enabled as a last-ditch effort when no admins are around. If you have a problem with a player, pm an admin and voice your concerns. We try to look into things as fast as we can. On this note, don't waste admin time telling them someone is tk'ing, bleeding, etc when it's accidental.

Please just disable voting, even at late night w/ few people on and no admins, votes don't pass so there is no point.

I also think you should disable the roving cam if you can. More and more people have been killing me when they shouldn't have known where I was. I'm sick of these cheaters.

Admins should be playing and coming to assistance when help is needed, not sitting in spec and waiting for someone to do something wrong. Or talking about how good someone is and then eStalking them thru their pbguid. I've never needed an admin for anything, but a time I did pm an admin about someone breaking a rule the admins laid out, they pussyfooted around the subject and didn't do shit. You can see why I've been forced to become self-sustaining.

by **Killer Mike** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:18 pm

talked to man-at-arms, and with the new +salute settings, i think auto-push should never be on.

It is now nearly-impossible to jump the forward bunker!!

thank you!

now all u 1337 people can jump the breach "vanilla" rtcw style.

by **Sh@dow Raven** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:48 pm

I think using the name Keekanoo should be a bannable offense......

wait a sec... :X

hehe, just kidding. I find these rules to be very well explained, and written. Excellent work ol' chap.

by **Savant** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:18 am

Wo0t, your reaching for God know what, it wasnt that long ago that complaints were coming in that all the admins were playing instead of monitoring, (that cant win no matter what we do thing again)

Dont block a door is there no logic in that? if a guy is crouched you can jump over him? what about those moving impaired players just let them mill in circles while the guy has to reload, or gets bored of firing at nothing?

Maybe latenight is diff but peak times is a zoo come on down and ck it out.

nasty messages are typed all the time, not a big deal, but for the kids sake wo0t lets show a little more responsibility then some of the parents of these wolfers

Low neg scores + the player HISTORY is what gets a response. the admins arent floating around waiting for someone to reach neg 7 for a kick, there is no code red.

Man at Arms made some changes,the games have been awsome, pick a fresh name wo0t and come on down, and judge for yourself

by **aphid** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 1:49 am

Originally posted by Savant
Wo0t, your reaching for God know what, it wasnt that long ago that complaints were coming in that all the admins were playing instead of monitoring, (that cant win no matter what we do thing again)

Oh my god. wo0t and I have a difference of opinions! Everyone panic and the admins can never win!

Actually, it is hard to say right now what is a good way to do it. My stance on the admins now is not good. Before, when I felt they should spec more, there was quite a few good admins who had potential and were somewhat smart. They wasted their time playing instead of adminning while bad things went on. With the new batch of adminnies, I don't really trust them to make decisions. They have shown in the past they cannot handle judgment calls. That is also why this list must be black and white. I guess I'd rather take a chance and have them still spec though. Call me a glutton for punishment.

by **SavageParrot** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:09 am

Nice thread, why did we take so long sorting this stuff out?

For me I'd like to see some guideline bans laid down to make decisions faster and to prevent any over reactions which we are all prone to. It should be a case of 'if x then y' on an accelerated scale for repeat offenders.

I don't mind bad language providing it is njot directed at a person. I agree with taking away the +salute trick-jump, it's got way out of control (yeah i know it's me too). Will post again later when i have morwe time.

by **VlfPlyer** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:19 am

Originally posted by SavageParrot
Nice thread, why did we take so long sorting this stuff out?

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I don't mind bad language providing it is njot directed at a person. I agree with taking away the +salute trick-jump, it's got way out of control (yeah i know it's me too). Will post again later when i have morwe time.

Agree. Personal attacks = warning then kik

I still do not like the use "+salute" myself. Have seen it abused way too much. Using it at the front door bunker or wall jumping is not the same as using it in the the ducts where you get "shoved" into enenmy fire. Or I do not know how many times I have been shoved into a nade. from a doorway etc. I know that there can be clumping up spots But not everyone is trying to block everytime. +salute is too easy to use in many situations.
1v1 is another - happens more than I care and what can you say when it happens. Accusing someone is just whining about it.

A server this size is differant than a 12 or 24 man. Differant tatics should apply. It's too big for +salute unchecked.

:cool:

by **Keekanoo** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:49 am

Voice away

by **DocTrebor** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 8:58 am

Heh Heh...let Bubba talk about standardized bans

!ban x 99999999999999999999999999999999999 gotta love our bubba!

by **Siren** » Mon Oct 25, 2004 11:20 am

Admins can't please everyone..... even when I first started playing and there was a very different group of them there were still complaints flooding these forums. For this reason, I think its really great of Keek and Savant and all the other admins to be so open minded about what the majority (and even minority) feels is appropriate beach rules, it gives everyone a chance for input.

Im sure these rules wont please everyone, but it'll help things out for the greater good at any rate.

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