MMmmGood, did you change the rules about the use of /kill?

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I guess I need to clear the "-101 thing" up. One day before I planted a dynamite and tk'd a lot of team-mates. My score was something like -25 and PB didn't kick me. So I decided to test if PB ignores level 1's and tk'd team-mates with their approval. Marcello, Wowsers, Economy and Figo can testify it. The bad thing is that I insulted Figo some days ago, so he posted a little bit hard to the -101 thread.

[VlfPlyer]

Originally posted by MiliTant
omg vlf u make yourself look more stupid with each post.those screenshots with as u say "maxed out fov/bits" is nothing compared to the current cal cvars. maybe u should read about real wolf b4 u speak.
http://www.caleague.com
http://www.planet-rtcw.com
read n learn-then post your nonsense

Then I must be "stupid". I am familar with the sites etc. And I do not understand your point.

I will admit that you certainly do sound as if you know alot more about real wolf than I ever could.

BTW I do stand by MO on what I call tweaks. Use 'em if you want. Not a concern of mine.

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Originally posted by Zap_Branigan
When I first started playing Wolf again, an admin did !disorient on me (changes your vision, like you are drunk) because his team was unable to plant and I was killing him too much. I got really mad because it was the cause of my only death that round (35-1). I got mad at the time, but he has not done it again since, and I am no longer angry.

Oh, that was you? I remember, Bubba disoriented you (he's a funny guy, don't hate him for that ). For playing the first time you ruled, 35-1 is awesome for playing 5 minutes.

[Keekanoo]

Enough with the flaming already. Yooper does an extremely good job as an admin. He is human and prone to getting irritated and making mistakes. If these are 2 mistakes he's made, I've seen him make a thousand right decisions.

Part of this is my fault for not writing up a full list of rules (ugh). For that I appologize.

People get kicked for spamming when they have a history of doing it over and over and have been repeatedly asked not to do it.

ECGN provides a free server and the admins do a hell of a good job keeping the place running fairly smoothly and enjoyably. How about 2,000 posts commenting, with screenshots and demos, about all the good calls admins make.

Keek.

[LordShard]

Originally posted by Radioactive
ff needs to be back off. even tho less challenging, the less admins needed. and the less chance of a power trip. there is no reason to have 8 - 9 admins or whatever when theres only 3 or so that ever play.. and half of them are kick ban happy freaks.

Fun cheats with FF off, make yourself fly over the wall and onto upper bunker with a nade or AS canister.

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Originally posted by Keekanoo
Enough with the flaming already. Yooper does an extremely good job as an admin. He is human and prone to getting irritated and making mistakes. If these are 2 mistakes he's made, I've seen him make a thousand right decisions.

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You say it was a mistake. It was not. A mistake is when you do something unintentionally. He knew he was not supposed to kick for that but he decided to abuse his powers and kick for it anyhow. How in the world can you defend that? If someone does tons of charity work but kills someone does that person not deserve to be punished? I enjoy playing on this server but damn, I get tired of looking over my shoulder because some admin may come up with or I get accused of some new rule that is bannable.

You are also not his daddy where you have to tell him everything he needs to know. He is a grown man who should be smart enough to check to see if something is bannable or not before doing it. Why don't all these other admins kick for things like /kill? It's because most have common sense. They see no other admins doing it, so they know it is not the right thing to do. Either Yooper blatantly disregarded (twice that we know of and there is many people who play here who do not come to the forums) the rules of being an admin, ie: not abusing power because he was frustrated or he is not smart enough to observe what is going on around him. Take your pick.

[^wo0t Profile]

I'm not going to flame since I'm sure you all think I did all the flaming in this thread already, so I'll lay it down simple for you to understand.

Keek hates /kill w/ a passion (he is after all a renaissance man) = the rest of the admins despise /kill (cyclical brainwash) = the dopey (not all) regulars h8 /kill (lemmiwinks)

Don't get me wrong, there are anomalies like edogg (highly skilled, yet opposes to advance his thinking game to the spawn time level), but thats it for the most part. (btw edogg, u have nothing but my respect for your honest, clean, skillful gameplay, I did not single you out because I have any problem w/ you. You were just the first person that came to mind when I thought of skillful players that didn't /kill)

Yooper used to talk real nice to me when he wasn't an admin, I even showed him how to use /hitsound one day. He's changed a lot. Is he still threatening people for tk-revives the way raven threatens me for accidental team gibs?

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Originally posted by Siren

1. This thread is already gone pages and pages, and yooper has yet to speak. Take it easy, some of you.

You don't wear your credibility on your chest? I mean vest.

[YOOPER]

Ok, for goodness sake you've all stirred up a hornets nest here!

First, let me address Yar:

I'm sorry that your feelings got hurt and you felt it neccessary to make your posts in the manner you did. The complaints that I received against you, and the (ill received) response I received back from you, are the main reason the temp ban happened. It was my attempt to please the two who complained against you. Today was the first time I read the post from MMmmGood that you referenced. Now if fault lies in that I am sorry.

To the person who felt that I was upset that *I* kept getting panzered:

I was in spec mode, not a player. It was two other folks who told me they didn't think it was fair the way Yar was playing.

To Zap_Branigan:

It is interesting that you came on the server within minutes after Yar was kicked. Your name was "Test", then you immediatly changed it to "SelfKill" after connecting. As soon as you joined a team, you /kill 'ed repeatedly and argued with me when I complained about it. Now, interpret it as you wish, but from my perspective you seemed as though you were doing everything you could to draw my attention and get me to kick you. I guess you succeeded! I'm suspecting you anticipated this and that is why the demo was recorded. Perhaps you and Yar and friends and you decided to mess with an admin at three in the morning? I don't know, and it really makes no difference to me, either.

About your concerns of me "tracking" you and your name changes: There are a couple of resources that can be used to see the various names that folks have used. The admins use these resources on a regular basis. This is not singling you out by any means.

The argument you started with me on the server about drugs is a whole 'nother story that has no place here. It was in the past, over and done with. Move on. If you think that I now single you out because I once kicked you then you are mistaken. I'm sorry you feel that way!

For All:

Pleae be aware that I am not blatently "disregarding MMmmGood's rules" as someone suggested. The truth is that I was not aware of MMmmGood's one-year-old post about /kill 'ing. I stand corrected and I would like to thank Yar for referencing MMmmGood's post so that I could read it.

Keekanoo is working on a consise set of rules and I'm sure that players and admins will benefit from it alike!

Now, in my own defense, let me state that in MY OPINION, both Yar and Zap_Branigan were doing much more than just /kill 'ing that got them their kicks. Unfortunatley, admins have to call upon their judgement when kicks are handed out. It appears that most people here think that I used poor judgement. So let me apologize to all of you who feel that way. We all learn through experience, no? So maybe I should thank Yar and Zap_Branigan for helping me learn!

Keep in mind that admins are humans, too. We aren't perfect. We might even make mistakes! We might be up at three in the morning, taking care of a crying baby, after working 18 hours in a very busy ER. But look at it this way - your life isn't over because you got kicked from the Beach for a few hours. Now that poor mother of three who got hit by a drunk driver last night...her life is over. (True story, by the way...for those of you who don't know - I'm an emergency physician, and I really did pronounce a 33 year old woman dead last night after getting hit by a drunk). In your cases, though, your feeling got hurt a little and life goes on. I'm sorry that I had to be the source of your hurt feelings, just like I'm sorry that I had to tell a man that the mother of his three young kids is dead.

I think that we all play Wolfenstein for one main reason: For fun. I am aware that getting kicked certainly is not fun, and it's a bummer when we as admins have to ruin someone's day for the benefit of the rest of the players. We do realize this, and don't get our jollies from kicking someone.

It is my proposal that we all just step back, take a deep breath, and realize that we should concentrate on playing the game for what it is - a source of fun. There are so many other things in life that are so much more important...and when we think about those things it is then that we realize that Wolfenstein shouldn't rule our lives and consume us!

And so, in closing... I'm sorry Yar, and I'm sorry Zap_Branigan. I hope you both can put this behind you and come back to the Beach and have a fun time.

Take care everyone,

Dr. Yooper

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Not that it matters and I'm sure there will be some that say I'm just sucking up to admin, but I would like to say I think Yooper is one of the best admins on the server. I find he's usually more patient and gives more warnings before kicking.

I've also noticed that some of the people that are harping about admin abuse are the first ones to bitch to them when they happened to get TK'd or blocked. I usually stay out of any flame wars but as I said I think Yooper is a good admin and as Keek pointed out maybe he made a couple of bad decisions but has made 1000 more good ones.

[Yar]

and the (ill received) response I received back from you, are the main reason the temp ban happened

the only response that u received from me was, and I quote "its not illegal" how u preceive that as ill i do not know..i would appreciate it if u would quit hiding behind this facade of "he was slandering me" because u and i both know that didnt happen.

However, if u look at the 1st screenshot i posted, u on the other hand did make remarks to me that were very ill, i quote "oh gee, nice /kill there" clearly a statement of sarcasm, then u call me "<lame>" that in my opinion is an ill message..

The 2nd screenshot i posted shows u saying "yar, enough....no more /kills to reload your panzer....!ban yar 9999 you were warned" i think that shows pretty obviously why i was kicked...there was no slandering, and u know it...u kicked me simply because you didnt like my style of play (4min round, 25lives, 15sec spawn time, or wait 30 seconds for panzer to charge, u do the math) <-thats what i call 'thinking'...and it all boils down to, i was kicked for repeatedly using /kill...which when compared with MMmmGood's post decrees that u should lose admin status...

I think that we all play Wolfenstein for one main reason: For fun.

which i was having up until i got banned for 9999 seconds for a couple /kills.

I stand corrected and I would like to thank Yar for referencing MMmmGood's post so that I could read it.

v44, but also theres a part in there where it says u should lose your admin status, unless keek is going to defy MMmmGood, owner of the server...

see u all at the beach

[Keekanoo]

Not a question of defying anyone, Yar. It's a question of dealing with a situation fairly. Yooper was man enough to appologize. Clearly he knows now about the situation. Are you going to be man enough to accept the appology and move on?

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Thx Yooper

[MiliTant]

2 times is 1 too many for me
/me dances @[-.-]@

[Yar]

Not a question of defying anyone, Yar. It's a question of dealing with a situation fairly.

MMmmGood, owner of the server says, if an admin does "X" then "Y" will happen...i saw nothing about, 'unless he apologizes,' ignorance is not an excuse (like killing people, then saying..'i didnt know murder was illegal' and getting off for it) nor did i see it included as a loophole to what MMmmGood said....and from what i can tell, Yooper definitely did "X" therefore "Y" should follow...and for you to step over MMmmGood and not execute "Y", yes i do call that defiance...

Yooper was man enough to appologize. Clearly he knows now about the situation. Are you going to be man enough to accept the appology and move on?

I'll accept the 1/2 of the apology for the unreasonable tempban (apology accepted yooper), but i'm still waiting for the other 1/2, where he apologies for lying and saying that i made many rude comments toward him...cuz hopefully he's "man enough" not to lie to cover his ass...