MMmmGood, did you change the rules about the use of /kill?
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by Sh@dow Raven » Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:04 am
Yar... though I do hear your plight, and I do sympathize, you have to ALSO look at it from other's perspectives.
Yooper was looking out for the good of the community, and did what he saw fit to do as his perspective would allow. I know Yooper is a pretty honest fellow, and I am not saying your not. But I have played/adminned along side yooper for quite some time, and I have never seen, nor heard him making false, and unfounded accusations. This other '1/2' you talk about for lying.... your lucky you got the first. He is much nicer than me. You wouldn't have gotten anything from me other than "quit complaining".
What you say about yooper loosing admin status.... that is uncalled for, and totally unfounded. He had not read the post MMmmGood put up, so he did not know. Therefore the fault does not lie on him in this case, but others such as myself for not directing his attention to that post. He admitted he was wrong, he apologized, get over it.
Tell me one thing, what does this complaining accomlish other than drawing unnecessary attention to yourself, or is that what you were looking for? If your going to complain, talk to MMmmGood, or talk to Keekanoo or Savant about any situation such as this one. We are more than happy to answer questions in game, and assist you in enjoying yourself at the beach.
Again, if your going to blame someone, blame me.
Yooper, I respect your decision making, and your an excellent admin. I take the blame for this for not directing your attention to that post.
Stay Tuned...
Yooper was looking out for the good of the community, and did what he saw fit to do as his perspective would allow. I know Yooper is a pretty honest fellow, and I am not saying your not. But I have played/adminned along side yooper for quite some time, and I have never seen, nor heard him making false, and unfounded accusations. This other '1/2' you talk about for lying.... your lucky you got the first. He is much nicer than me. You wouldn't have gotten anything from me other than "quit complaining".
What you say about yooper loosing admin status.... that is uncalled for, and totally unfounded. He had not read the post MMmmGood put up, so he did not know. Therefore the fault does not lie on him in this case, but others such as myself for not directing his attention to that post. He admitted he was wrong, he apologized, get over it.
Tell me one thing, what does this complaining accomlish other than drawing unnecessary attention to yourself, or is that what you were looking for? If your going to complain, talk to MMmmGood, or talk to Keekanoo or Savant about any situation such as this one. We are more than happy to answer questions in game, and assist you in enjoying yourself at the beach.
Again, if your going to blame someone, blame me.
Yooper, I respect your decision making, and your an excellent admin. I take the blame for this for not directing your attention to that post.
Stay Tuned...
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by King » Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:29 am
Originally posted by MiliTant
cuz im pro
Pro or L337?
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- beowulf
by beowulf » Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:37 am
Zap Brenigan's demo is a REAL wake up call. Even though his newfound reason for playin RTCW again and his name are certainly suspect...demos dont lie.
From Yoop
"you /kill 'ed repeatedly and argued with me when I complained about it."
Not sure if you watched demo Yoops....he didnt do it repeatedly. And what, he's not supposed to give you a reason for what he did. Is he not to question you? (When you were blantantly WRONG!)
Yoop said:
"but from my perspective you seemed as though you were doing everything you could to draw my attention and get me to kick you. I guess you succeeded!"
So are you implying he MADE you kick him? LMFAO It wans't YOU'RE fault, huh.
Yoop said:
"I'm suspecting you anticipated this and that is why the demo was recorded. Perhaps you and Yar and friends and you decided to mess with an admin at three in the morning?"
Zap already told us this is why he made the demo. And it looks cut and dry to me that YOU messed with him @ 3 in the morning. For NO REASON. WTF, can you not see this. He knows your adminning, and brought along a demo for all to see.
Yoop said:
"in my own defense, let me state that in MY OPINION, both Yar and Zap_Branigan were doing much more than just /kill 'ing that got them their kicks."
Wow, what other reason was Zap doing besides /killing? Oh, diagreed with you. Dont know about Yar, but the demo clearly shows NOTHING else from "Zap".
Yoop said:
"We might be up at three in the morning, taking care of a crying baby, after working 18 hours in a very busy ER."
Maybe RTCW isn't where you should be....try sleep.??? Don't take emotions from your chosen profession on somebody else who feels like havin fun.
Yoop said:
"it's a bummer when we as admins have to ruin someone's day for the benefit of the rest of the players."
Benefit of who in that demo Yoop? They werent even touchin him! Sounds to me the benefit of you mad about /kill. There were 0 complaints, none, zip, zilch, nada, nathan, nothing, etc. YOU ruined an individuals gameplay, for what?
Yoop said:
"It is my proposal that we all just step back, take a deep breath, and realize that we should concentrate on playing the game for what it is - a source of fun. There are so many other things in life that are so much more important...and when we think about those things it is then that we realize that Wolfenstein shouldn't rule our lives and consume us!
I like how you said "we" a lot. The problem is YOU, not them or "we". And about RTCW shouldn't rule our lives, don't log on @ 3 am after a self described 18 workday in an ER! Again, not our problem, it's yours.
And the reason for all of this from me is.....DONT MUTE ME FOR VSAY SPAMMING DURING THE WARMUP TIME WITH ANOTHER PLAYER.....yeah I got a grudge, I admit it.
I never mentioned it to anybody because it's no big deal. But the abuse of !mute on a player like me who just loves vsaying just gets me upset. But I have been watchin how you admin after that and I obviously got to my conclusion. A couple others not posting (at least yet) have the same conclusion.
You need to admit that (like a lot of us) hate when somebody /kills when you are fightin them. The thing is, you abused your powere to do something to get back at 'em (/killers)
And in closing....you calling /kill cheating when like 4v4 is so funny there are no accronymns (sp?) to describe it. LOL, ROFLMFAO, etc, you get the picture.
My heart goes out to the woman killed, but adminning under that kind of stress is also suspect.
beowulf
Almost forgot....I am gonna tk/revive a player, what are you gonna do about it?
From Yoop
"you /kill 'ed repeatedly and argued with me when I complained about it."
Not sure if you watched demo Yoops....he didnt do it repeatedly. And what, he's not supposed to give you a reason for what he did. Is he not to question you? (When you were blantantly WRONG!)
Yoop said:
"but from my perspective you seemed as though you were doing everything you could to draw my attention and get me to kick you. I guess you succeeded!"
So are you implying he MADE you kick him? LMFAO It wans't YOU'RE fault, huh.
Yoop said:
"I'm suspecting you anticipated this and that is why the demo was recorded. Perhaps you and Yar and friends and you decided to mess with an admin at three in the morning?"
Zap already told us this is why he made the demo. And it looks cut and dry to me that YOU messed with him @ 3 in the morning. For NO REASON. WTF, can you not see this. He knows your adminning, and brought along a demo for all to see.
Yoop said:
"in my own defense, let me state that in MY OPINION, both Yar and Zap_Branigan were doing much more than just /kill 'ing that got them their kicks."
Wow, what other reason was Zap doing besides /killing? Oh, diagreed with you. Dont know about Yar, but the demo clearly shows NOTHING else from "Zap".
Yoop said:
"We might be up at three in the morning, taking care of a crying baby, after working 18 hours in a very busy ER."
Maybe RTCW isn't where you should be....try sleep.??? Don't take emotions from your chosen profession on somebody else who feels like havin fun.
Yoop said:
"it's a bummer when we as admins have to ruin someone's day for the benefit of the rest of the players."
Benefit of who in that demo Yoop? They werent even touchin him! Sounds to me the benefit of you mad about /kill. There were 0 complaints, none, zip, zilch, nada, nathan, nothing, etc. YOU ruined an individuals gameplay, for what?
Yoop said:
"It is my proposal that we all just step back, take a deep breath, and realize that we should concentrate on playing the game for what it is - a source of fun. There are so many other things in life that are so much more important...and when we think about those things it is then that we realize that Wolfenstein shouldn't rule our lives and consume us!
I like how you said "we" a lot. The problem is YOU, not them or "we". And about RTCW shouldn't rule our lives, don't log on @ 3 am after a self described 18 workday in an ER! Again, not our problem, it's yours.
And the reason for all of this from me is.....DONT MUTE ME FOR VSAY SPAMMING DURING THE WARMUP TIME WITH ANOTHER PLAYER.....yeah I got a grudge, I admit it.
I never mentioned it to anybody because it's no big deal. But the abuse of !mute on a player like me who just loves vsaying just gets me upset. But I have been watchin how you admin after that and I obviously got to my conclusion. A couple others not posting (at least yet) have the same conclusion.
You need to admit that (like a lot of us) hate when somebody /kills when you are fightin them. The thing is, you abused your powere to do something to get back at 'em (/killers)
And in closing....you calling /kill cheating when like 4v4 is so funny there are no accronymns (sp?) to describe it. LOL, ROFLMFAO, etc, you get the picture.
My heart goes out to the woman killed, but adminning under that kind of stress is also suspect.
beowulf
Almost forgot....I am gonna tk/revive a player, what are you gonna do about it?
- Yar
by Yar » Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:02 am
ok raven, here's my last rant...
Please refer to MMmmGood's post if u think its unfounded...MMmmGood, owner of the server, made a statement that he wanted followed, or he wouldn't have wasted the time writing that, and i'm sure he expected it to be carried out when he posted it...kinda like when u admins say 'dont bleed/tk or u will get banned/kicked'....if someone bleeds/tks, u guys ban/kick them (even if its a complete noob thats just installed rtcw and is just learning the dynamics of ff on), just like the rule states...i even told him "its not illegal" and still got tempbanned. how this is different, please, i'd like to hear u explain.What you say about yooper loosing admin status.... that is uncalled for, and totally unfounded.
The only person receiving my blame is the one that typed !ban 9999 for using /kill, sorry...admirable move, but v52 on that transfer of blame.Again, if your going to blame someone, blame me.
by aphid » Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:19 am
Well, that wasn't much of an apology because he was still pointing fingers and blaming his real life job looking for sympathy. I also don't believe it was all that sincere. It was more a "I have to do this to save myself" type thing.
In my mind, this thread reached it's goal when I first started reading it. I knew he was not going to get removed as an admin or anything like that. The goal was to bring attention to it so it does not happen again. I think that has been accomplished. If it hasn't, Keekee won't be able to come in and blindly defend him again.
Edit:
This post is just my opinion though and I am sure the others who are on the recieving end of this abuse will disagree.
In my mind, this thread reached it's goal when I first started reading it. I knew he was not going to get removed as an admin or anything like that. The goal was to bring attention to it so it does not happen again. I think that has been accomplished. If it hasn't, Keekee won't be able to come in and blindly defend him again.
Edit:
This post is just my opinion though and I am sure the others who are on the recieving end of this abuse will disagree.
by DocTrebor » Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:22 am
I thought I would sit this one out...but I cannot resist. The post MMmmGood made was over a year ago and a lot has happened since then, I'm sure Jon will make some exceptions based on extenuating circumstances.
Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Casus owned the servers, Boc is just the PR man.. Lets just move on, the ban is over and you can enjoy the game.
Also, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Casus owned the servers, Boc is just the PR man.. Lets just move on, the ban is over and you can enjoy the game.
- beowulf
by beowulf » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:02 am
Christ Treb, ever wonder why people think that you think you are an admin. Do you know their Social Security #'s? And callin 'em on a first name basis....LMFAO! (Unless you know 'em)
If Yoop doesnt get admin status taken away, i just dont know. Shit, I got my "level 1" taken away for sloppy play, and he wont for totally fuckin over somebody. GGZ
beowulf
If Yoop doesnt get admin status taken away, i just dont know. Shit, I got my "level 1" taken away for sloppy play, and he wont for totally fuckin over somebody. GGZ
beowulf
- Runn4r
by Runn4r » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:18 am
Originally posted by beowulf
Christ Treb, ever wonder why people think that you think you are an admin. Do you know their Social Security #'s? And callin 'em on a first name basis....LMFAO! (Unless you know 'em)
If Yoop doesnt get admin status taken away, i just dont know. Shit, I got my "level 1" taken away for sloppy play, and he wont for totally fuckin over somebody. GGZ
beowulf
huge difference. dont even try to compare the two
by DocTrebor » Sat Oct 23, 2004 2:56 am
I dont know who runn4r is...but he has a point beo...a level 1 drop and a level 2 drop is a big difference, esp on this beach where there are only 4 levels (includes bocs and man-at-arms level 100) And I don't know their ss...lol. I just happened to pick up their names and prefer using real names every now and then. (like did you know slaughter's name is doug?)
on et we have 5 levels to distribute at will. Ask squareballz...i made him a -16 user for no reason at all except that I like him (ADMIN ABUSE!)...imagine if i didn't
on et we have 5 levels to distribute at will. Ask squareballz...i made him a -16 user for no reason at all except that I like him (ADMIN ABUSE!)...imagine if i didn't
by DocTrebor » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:01 am
Originally posted by aphid
Edit:
This post is just my opinion though and I am sure the others who are on the recieving end of this abuse will disagree.
Aphid you're allowed to post your opinion man. Yes, those on the other side of your posts probably don't much like it (;)), sometimes it just comes out harsh...but you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that wholeheartedly.
- VlfPlyer
by VlfPlyer » Sat Oct 23, 2004 3:06 am
Without firing up any old sparks -
I am curious about the that old vote posted and a new updated tally on the original thread.
It would be interesting to see what current server users would vote about using /kill.
Just curious.
http://forums.powervs.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6185&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
I am curious about the that old vote posted and a new updated tally on the original thread.
It would be interesting to see what current server users would vote about using /kill.
Just curious.
http://forums.powervs.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6185&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
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