ITT Bots down still and other issues
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ITT Bots down still and other issues
by aphid » Mon Dec 29, 2003 3:15 pm
The bots have been down for over a week now. No admin bots or stats. People have been contacted about putting them back up yet no one cares enough to take 10 minutes of their time to go and restart them. One of the reasons some people play here is for the stats command yet, their fun is taken away because of this. We can't really admin either because no bot. Sure we could use a limited and combersome rcon but it is annoying and should not have to be. I know some are on vacation and away but I am sure there is at least one person out there working that can restart a bot. That is fairly sad how forgotten this server has seem become.
That is the root of the problem right there. No one higher up cares. People who do not play on the server feel it is fine and does not need any changes. It does though. Boc or whoever else runs the server needs to start putting some trust into the admins.
Admins need a command that lets us change the map. I am not talking about changing this server into 24/7 Depot or whatever. What I am saying is we should be able to switch things up a bit once in awhile. Beach is great as is the server but it gets boring sometimes. I don't want to goto a different server to play a different map. I like the players here and others feel the same way I do.
Another great way to accomplish this would be friendly fire. This is not a permanent change. What it is a late night command, when there is less players on, to add some life to the matches. There is no good reason this cannot be.
Lieutenant have to be given at least half a bar when they spawn. With the decrease in lives, there is no point for an lieutenant to throw an airstrike and kill themselves anymore. Right now, as it stands, they are just ammo whores and crippled ones at that.
Let's also not forget Punkbuster. I have no problems with it but I see others that do. It causes way more harm than good. I have seen one wallhack kick of it. I have seen at least 20 other players kicked who did not deserve it. Kicked for ascii characters? Init failures? Opengl errors? How about the players who get so slowed down by it? This is causing a massive player decrease. When I wanted to play on Lockedbox to try it out I did not have OSP installed. I tried a few times to get this thing to autodownload from their server. I wasn't able to get through the whole download because I kept timing out. I just said forget it and came to here instead. That is what is happening here too. Players can't get on so they goto a different server. You look at the how many people were on here before punkbuster was off and compare now and tell me there is no problem. Punkbuster was put in to get rid of cheaters and it has done it's job fairly well. However, you have admins who know what to look for when seeing players cheating so it is not needed.
The whole Punkbuster thing backs up what I said earlier. People who play on the server are making the decisions. This is no disrespect to Weasel_Meat but he hardly ever plays on the server anymore. He bans one person for wallhacking and suddenly Punkbuster magically appears on within a few days. I and quite a few others have been playing on this server for almost or just as long yet our voices are never heard or they are lumped in with the players who just started here a few months ago or people who only play once or twice a month. It's frustrating.
If the changes above are made, I gurantee there will be a big player increase and the fun of the games will increase too. Polls are worthless as anymore can vote, even people who have not played here in ages. That is why you have to listen to the players that have been here the longest and play everyday as an individual instead of just as a voice amongst the crowd.
I may have forgot to include a few things here but these changes have to be made if you do not want the server to die. That is exactly the direction it is headed with the neglect it has been shown.
That is the root of the problem right there. No one higher up cares. People who do not play on the server feel it is fine and does not need any changes. It does though. Boc or whoever else runs the server needs to start putting some trust into the admins.
Admins need a command that lets us change the map. I am not talking about changing this server into 24/7 Depot or whatever. What I am saying is we should be able to switch things up a bit once in awhile. Beach is great as is the server but it gets boring sometimes. I don't want to goto a different server to play a different map. I like the players here and others feel the same way I do.
Another great way to accomplish this would be friendly fire. This is not a permanent change. What it is a late night command, when there is less players on, to add some life to the matches. There is no good reason this cannot be.
Lieutenant have to be given at least half a bar when they spawn. With the decrease in lives, there is no point for an lieutenant to throw an airstrike and kill themselves anymore. Right now, as it stands, they are just ammo whores and crippled ones at that.
Let's also not forget Punkbuster. I have no problems with it but I see others that do. It causes way more harm than good. I have seen one wallhack kick of it. I have seen at least 20 other players kicked who did not deserve it. Kicked for ascii characters? Init failures? Opengl errors? How about the players who get so slowed down by it? This is causing a massive player decrease. When I wanted to play on Lockedbox to try it out I did not have OSP installed. I tried a few times to get this thing to autodownload from their server. I wasn't able to get through the whole download because I kept timing out. I just said forget it and came to here instead. That is what is happening here too. Players can't get on so they goto a different server. You look at the how many people were on here before punkbuster was off and compare now and tell me there is no problem. Punkbuster was put in to get rid of cheaters and it has done it's job fairly well. However, you have admins who know what to look for when seeing players cheating so it is not needed.
The whole Punkbuster thing backs up what I said earlier. People who play on the server are making the decisions. This is no disrespect to Weasel_Meat but he hardly ever plays on the server anymore. He bans one person for wallhacking and suddenly Punkbuster magically appears on within a few days. I and quite a few others have been playing on this server for almost or just as long yet our voices are never heard or they are lumped in with the players who just started here a few months ago or people who only play once or twice a month. It's frustrating.
If the changes above are made, I gurantee there will be a big player increase and the fun of the games will increase too. Polls are worthless as anymore can vote, even people who have not played here in ages. That is why you have to listen to the players that have been here the longest and play everyday as an individual instead of just as a voice amongst the crowd.
I may have forgot to include a few things here but these changes have to be made if you do not want the server to die. That is exactly the direction it is headed with the neglect it has been shown.
by Lord ZOG » Mon Dec 29, 2003 3:48 pm
Can you say "red-headed step child", Aphid?
How about "falling on deaf ears".
Apparently, the people left "in charge" feel the Wolf server is not as important as their particular server.
How about "falling on deaf ears".
Apparently, the people left "in charge" feel the Wolf server is not as important as their particular server.
Lord ZOG
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
- BMWBarbieDoll
by BMWBarbieDoll » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:22 pm
I agree with much that you have said Aphid
I think its important for players who play there extremely often to speak up about likes and dislikes.
I remember once when ecg switched maps to chateau for like an hour, and with 53 people on it was so much fun. ( i only got the last 5 minutes
)
I also think that it would be nice if we could shuffle teams...
sometimes the teams are so onesided in terms of skill, the game is not enjoyable for either side- due to frustration or easy pickings.. ( i prefer a challenge - it makes a win more meaningful
I like having punkbuster though, there were some players I admired for their skill, only to see them come back with a "COULD NOT EXEC AIMBOT" message or whatever , and seeing them have to go panzer because thats all they could aim with
I really like the admin bot
I also think its important for admins and players in general to have patience and tolerance for noobs - it shouldn't be a derrogatory term, it just means they are new like we all were at some point
be honest like u have never accidently blocked for a second or done something "nooby"
Beach is a small map and with 54 players on at one time - obviously there are going to be blocks etc (unintentioinal, intentional)
Because Wolf is dying - I think its important to help, !slap, push players to get them going as opposed to kicking. I say kick only when it is definitely neccessary for blatant rule disregarding.
Also I was wondering if their was an official admin list posted anywhere - it would be nice to know who's who.
I also saw on the battlefield side that admins wear an admin tag - so that all are aware of their presence - does anyone think this is a good idea?
anyway these are just some thoughts on my mind - would love to hear what u all think
Barbara
=BMW=BarbieDoll
OTHER THAN THAT I THINK ECG IS GR8 v57
I think its important for players who play there extremely often to speak up about likes and dislikes.
I remember once when ecg switched maps to chateau for like an hour, and with 53 people on it was so much fun. ( i only got the last 5 minutes
)
I also think that it would be nice if we could shuffle teams...
sometimes the teams are so onesided in terms of skill, the game is not enjoyable for either side- due to frustration or easy pickings.. ( i prefer a challenge - it makes a win more meaningful
I like having punkbuster though, there were some players I admired for their skill, only to see them come back with a "COULD NOT EXEC AIMBOT" message or whatever , and seeing them have to go panzer because thats all they could aim with
I really like the admin bot
I also think its important for admins and players in general to have patience and tolerance for noobs - it shouldn't be a derrogatory term, it just means they are new like we all were at some point
be honest like u have never accidently blocked for a second or done something "nooby"
Beach is a small map and with 54 players on at one time - obviously there are going to be blocks etc (unintentioinal, intentional)
Because Wolf is dying - I think its important to help, !slap, push players to get them going as opposed to kicking. I say kick only when it is definitely neccessary for blatant rule disregarding.
Also I was wondering if their was an official admin list posted anywhere - it would be nice to know who's who.
I also saw on the battlefield side that admins wear an admin tag - so that all are aware of their presence - does anyone think this is a good idea?
anyway these are just some thoughts on my mind - would love to hear what u all think
Barbara
=BMW=BarbieDoll
OTHER THAN THAT I THINK ECG IS GR8
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by Conscious* » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:38 pm
For one thing bot needs to be restored badly, we had a whole clan on here earlier and they were all smacktarded losers and were spamming for new members to join. They caused a ruckus for about an hour, and poor louni was the only admin on and she could only use rcon kicks to give them the boot. They kept coming back and back, the bot needs to be restored.As for giving admins more powers such as FF and map changing im not so sure thats the best idea, but maybe only to the Level 3+ admins like cow and keek and zog.
- ghostbot
by ghostbot » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:38 pm
i also agree w/ aphid on a number of things....things that would dramatically improve the quality of gaming on the beach....
first off, Lt.'s are waaaaay too neutered....i dont mind the charge time...but Lt's should be able to throw AT LEAST 1 bag of ammo from respawn (if not 2), also, nade packs should cost half bar (to lower nade spam)....
now medics....meds here are waaay to powerful, their recharge rate is rediculous, u can easy run around someone, giving yourself health till they run out of ammo....this would lead to more careful, precise playing as meds cant rely on their incredible recharge rate to bail them out
engineers and soldiers are fine (even tho panzer arc is pretty pointless :x)
finally, i very much agree w/ aphid on the idea that late nite (2am-6am) admins should be able to turn ff on....there arent many playing at that time, so it wouldnt cause the mass chaos that it would if u turned it on at say...noon. Map changing would also keep the games fresh, and different....(64 player village would own)...and as for punkbuster, it doesnt bother me, nor does it lag me at all so, on or off, its all good, even tho i think on is better since it does catch the occasional cheat....
whoa, i've written waaaaay too much...sorry, wont happen again :x
p.s. turn stats back on!!!
first off, Lt.'s are waaaaay too neutered....i dont mind the charge time...but Lt's should be able to throw AT LEAST 1 bag of ammo from respawn (if not 2), also, nade packs should cost half bar (to lower nade spam)....
now medics....meds here are waaay to powerful, their recharge rate is rediculous, u can easy run around someone, giving yourself health till they run out of ammo....this would lead to more careful, precise playing as meds cant rely on their incredible recharge rate to bail them out
engineers and soldiers are fine (even tho panzer arc is pretty pointless :x)
finally, i very much agree w/ aphid on the idea that late nite (2am-6am) admins should be able to turn ff on....there arent many playing at that time, so it wouldnt cause the mass chaos that it would if u turned it on at say...noon. Map changing would also keep the games fresh, and different....(64 player village would own)...and as for punkbuster, it doesnt bother me, nor does it lag me at all so, on or off, its all good, even tho i think on is better since it does catch the occasional cheat....
whoa, i've written waaaaay too much...sorry, wont happen again :x
p.s. turn stats back on!!!
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by Conscious* » Mon Dec 29, 2003 8:42 pm
wowwow you want medics limited??? Are whole clan and our skill of running past everyone and scoring the docs will be over Space! Then we'll look like that noob clan S.S.
- =V!per=
by =V!per= » Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:10 pm
I agree:
1.) Instead of !admintest I like Barbie's idea of doing a [ECG] tag for admins. They will then so be easily recognized. Shit I thought Slaughter was an admin
2.)Bots do need to be raised immediately . It is to difficult for Admins to do their job with rCon. I was there when we had trouble with that {v} clan. Bunch of childish players. It was not pretty.
3.)Once again I agree with Barbie. We once were noobies as well. It takes time to get the total idea of the gaming for some. Go easy on them by not doing an immediate !kick and they will be back preventing the server from dying. How about taking the time to do a /m message to the noobie so they can see the text much better within the sea of green and blue text. No problem in killing them it's all part of the game, in fact, its the best part :p (No comment needed Paul)
4.)FF on at nights it's particularly necessary to keep it fun. I play in the server at 1 am a lot and find that it gets rather dull and empty w/ only 20 people running around. Many spamming and being straight idiots b/c of the lack of admin. power at that time. I will say it has gotten better and I've seen guys like Aphid come in late to referee.
5.)Map change? Well, can I suggest a trial run for such an idea. It's rather takes the point away from the server itself, hence 24/7 BEACH server. But how about this. Let's let the server run say just one day a week for about three weeks on a designated rotation (using highly known maps that can support such a high number of players) and see if we reach an overall positive feedback from the Wolf world (i.e. New players, regs. ideas). It can only help ECGN grow and become a much more popular site. Remember ECGN your also here to sell servers, interest comes by trial and error and this will provide insight on if in reality Wolf is dying (hope not)
6.)Anything else. Give me feedback.
P.S. The more interest and responses found on this thread the more our generous host will listen to the suggestions and requests
Sincerely,
=V!per=
1.) Instead of !admintest I like Barbie's idea of doing a [ECG] tag for admins. They will then so be easily recognized. Shit I thought Slaughter was an admin
2.)Bots do need to be raised immediately . It is to difficult for Admins to do their job with rCon. I was there when we had trouble with that {v} clan. Bunch of childish players. It was not pretty.
3.)Once again I agree with Barbie. We once were noobies as well. It takes time to get the total idea of the gaming for some. Go easy on them by not doing an immediate !kick and they will be back preventing the server from dying. How about taking the time to do a /m message to the noobie so they can see the text much better within the sea of green and blue text. No problem in killing them it's all part of the game, in fact, its the best part :p (No comment needed Paul
)
4.)FF on at nights it's particularly necessary to keep it fun. I play in the server at 1 am a lot and find that it gets rather dull and empty w/ only 20 people running around. Many spamming and being straight idiots b/c of the lack of admin. power at that time. I will say it has gotten better and I've seen guys like Aphid come in late to referee.
5.)Map change? Well, can I suggest a trial run for such an idea. It's rather takes the point away from the server itself, hence 24/7 BEACH server. But how about this. Let's let the server run say just one day a week for about three weeks on a designated rotation (using highly known maps that can support such a high number of players) and see if we reach an overall positive feedback from the Wolf world (i.e. New players, regs. ideas). It can only help ECGN grow and become a much more popular site. Remember ECGN your also here to sell servers, interest comes by trial and error and this will provide insight on if in reality Wolf is dying (hope not
)
6.)Anything else. Give me feedback.
P.S. The more interest and responses found on this thread the more our generous host will listen to the suggestions and requests
Sincerely,
=V!per=
by aphid » Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:13 pm
Originally posted by S.S. Lord ZOG
Apparently, the people left "in charge" feel the Wolf server is not as important as their particular server.
I can guarantee, if this was BF1942, the server would have been fixed within the day or even the hour.
Originally posted by {NNC}SpaCegHoSt
now medics....meds here are waaay to powerful, their recharge rate is rediculous...
I have no problem with that change even though that is one of my tactics. I remember it being said that this was first put into place because of the airstrikes. I can't exactly remember when the bar started going up so fast but it makes sense.
Because Wolf is dying - I think its important to help, !slap, push players to get them going as opposed to kicking. I say kick only when it is definitely neccessary for blatant rule disregarding.
I agree with that to a point. I think Wolfenstein is still going very strongly though. It's just one of those games that has a large replayability and keeps people coming back. Lots of servers are still almost full on a daily bases. I agree 100% about that kicking thing too. I usually warn at least 3 times before a kick.
As for Punkbuster. It does come in very handy. I don't have any problem with it myself. I am just thinking about the other players that get kicked for stuff like ascii characters and whatever. Perhaps instead of removing it then, turn down some of the security features if that is possible?
Hmm, why the hell are all my posts so long now?
by Evan » Mon Dec 29, 2003 10:51 pm
Originally posted by aphid
I can guarantee, if this was BF1942, the server would have been fixed within the day or even the hour.
Wrong answer!
Our RTCW techs haven't been around as much as they needed to be lately. Jon (MMmmGood) is on vacation right now. Donny (Man-At-Arms) wasn't online for a few days. The rest of us don't know how to restart the bot or troubleshoot it, except for Charles who is swamped with other ECGN work.
Mike (YaDad), Ryan, and Jon are all BF techs. Mike and Ryan are usually around, but MMmmGood is the one that usually handles BF.
I myself just do Half-Life, so my experience with everything is limited.
Remember, our RTCW and BF servers are run by us for the community. For me, a customer's server would take priority over my personal server and/or ECGN's free servers that are for public use.
.- =V!per=
by =V!per= » Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:05 pm
Originally posted by Evan
Remember, our RTCW and BF servers are run by us for the community. For me, a customer's server would take priority over my personal server and/or ECGN's [b]free servers that are for public use. [/B]
Note I said, Generous Host. I am not suckin' up or anything. Just that I realize it is a free public server. That's why my post was not in anger just in response to the ideas being brought up.
Also that your remark was not made towards me. I probably shouldn't have said anything just don't get upset at us Wolf players some of us just seem to be kinda ready and waiting for some tech services. Affirmitive to your post on Who's Where.
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:))by Lord ZOG » Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:43 pm
From what I've heard bulliwfy has the "keys' to the Beach Server's Bot. He's not answering PMs. It just seems to me that Aphid is right; if something had happened with one of the BF1942 server (also free, Evan) it had been taken care of a lot faster than a week.
What's Paul Hinrichsen's problem with the S.S.? Not getting enough attention at home?
Stick to the topic, SPAM boy.
What's Paul Hinrichsen's problem with the S.S.? Not getting enough attention at home?
Stick to the topic, SPAM boy.
Lord ZOG
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
"Well hello Mister Fancypants. Well, I've got news for you pal, you ain't leadin' but two things: Jack and shit... and Jack just left town."
- Casus
by Casus » Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:48 pm
Guys, if you want changes made - be constructive, bitching and whining about it won't get it done.
No, we are not ignoring RTCW, heck, we have more RTCW/ET player slots rented out then any other game!
Someone step up and take ownership of what you would like to see changed, and let us know in a professional manner, instead of slamming us and saying how much we ignore this or that. That just isn't fair, since we've been running this free public server for almost two years now.
Tom
No, we are not ignoring RTCW, heck, we have more RTCW/ET player slots rented out then any other game!
Someone step up and take ownership of what you would like to see changed, and let us know in a professional manner, instead of slamming us and saying how much we ignore this or that. That just isn't fair, since we've been running this free public server for almost two years now.
Tom
- Casus
by Casus » Mon Dec 29, 2003 11:49 pm
Originally posted by S.S. Lord ZOG
From what I've heard bulliwfy has the "keys' to the Beach Server's Bot. He's not answering PMs. It just seems to me that Aphid is right; if something had happened with one of the BF1942 server (also free, Evan) it had been taken care of a lot faster than a week.
you heard wrong then, no one has logins to the Linux machines other then ECGN staff.
Tom
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