Nintendo patents online game features
Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:10 am
Don't know if this will affect any of us, but here it is.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/19/nintendo_online_gaming/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/19/nintendo_online_gaming/
Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:37 am
This is not the type of thing that patents were intended for - and this type of thing is what is going to seriously hamstring technological advancement.
You wait, in about 20 years, we're not going to be the technology leader anymore because of stupid shit like this.
You wait, in about 20 years, we're not going to be the technology leader anymore because of stupid shit like this.
Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:07 am
That just makes me hate Nintendo. Why they would do something so monopolistic is beyond me.
Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:14 am
screw nintendo anyways.....I havent played it in over 3 years and dont see myself ever playing it again.
Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:42 am
While I'm not a huge nintendo fan (haven't been since I was like 7) I'm sure Sony and especially M$ would do something like this too. It's not like nintendo is evil and the other two are angels.
Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:48 am
Nobody said the other two were angels, but thats like somebody patenting the QWERT keyboard. They you HAVE to use them.
How are others going to have decent online games with this kind of stuff going on? How do you patent online voice talk ect? Thats rediculous.
How are others going to have decent online games with this kind of stuff going on? How do you patent online voice talk ect? Thats rediculous.
Sat Aug 21, 2004 8:42 pm
I think nintendo is a crap magnet, their a dying company and constantly loosing money because they gear everything they do and make torwards little kids.
I think this is a last ditch attempt by a dying company to try to force the competition away.
Anyways as far as it goes I think the patent will be revoked or overturned, whatever it is callled because player stats and in-game voice communiication has been around for so long it's ridiculous.
I think this is a last ditch attempt by a dying company to try to force the competition away.
Anyways as far as it goes I think the patent will be revoked or overturned, whatever it is callled because player stats and in-game voice communiication has been around for so long it's ridiculous.
Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:20 am
I guess someone has to say something good about Nintendo... Just because they make games for kids does not make them crap. They are not just geared for kids either...I'm 27 years old and own a GameCube; mainly I play games on my PC, but I do play my GameCube a fair amount. As far as I know, Nintendo isn't loosing money at all. In fact, they are the only ones that have geared their console to a younger market to help keep them alive.
As for the patents, there are patents on many things in the US. The telephone was patented, that didn't stifle innovation...the fact is that patents help companies find new ways to do things because they are forced to in a sense.
Companies do this all the time, it's not just Nintendo. It's a dog eat dog world out there in business and they have to try to fight to keep their console alive and making money. It's not like they do it just for fun.
As for the patents, there are patents on many things in the US. The telephone was patented, that didn't stifle innovation...the fact is that patents help companies find new ways to do things because they are forced to in a sense.
Companies do this all the time, it's not just Nintendo. It's a dog eat dog world out there in business and they have to try to fight to keep their console alive and making money. It's not like they do it just for fun.
Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:11 am
THey made their GBA and gamecube to hook up together, they have sold millions of GBAs and only a few hundred thousand gamecubes.
Fact #1 gimmicks don't work
Fact #2 when gamecube first came out it was purple, what were they thinking?
Fact #3 ever sincec pokemon nintendo has geared nearly everything they do torwards little kids, who don't have any money to spend but onluy the ability to ask their parents to buy them
Fact #4 THeir hardware is 100% proiprietary, they spnd mucho money on making their own hardware and everyone knows when if a 400Mhz gamecube should be able to perform better than a PS2 the fact the PS2 has a number nearly double it people will buy it just because it's 700Mhz! Not weather ot not it performs better.
Fact #5 Nintendo hasn't done anything that really makes any money for a long time, with the exception of GBA, SP, GBcolor. THey are the kings of hendheld but because of their bumbling they no longer any threat to playstaion or xbox.
Fact #6 The gamecube being ABLE to have internet multiplayer but not putting the network together so it could be done and instead focusing on gimmiks like interconectability of their GBA and cubes that no oner buys they loose more money.
Fact #7 I don't like a company that tries to tell people what they like instead of giving people what they do like! N64 was a flop (even though I had one, but no games for it) and so is gamecube.
Fact #1 gimmicks don't work
Fact #2 when gamecube first came out it was purple, what were they thinking?
Fact #3 ever sincec pokemon nintendo has geared nearly everything they do torwards little kids, who don't have any money to spend but onluy the ability to ask their parents to buy them
Fact #4 THeir hardware is 100% proiprietary, they spnd mucho money on making their own hardware and everyone knows when if a 400Mhz gamecube should be able to perform better than a PS2 the fact the PS2 has a number nearly double it people will buy it just because it's 700Mhz! Not weather ot not it performs better.
Fact #5 Nintendo hasn't done anything that really makes any money for a long time, with the exception of GBA, SP, GBcolor. THey are the kings of hendheld but because of their bumbling they no longer any threat to playstaion or xbox.
Fact #6 The gamecube being ABLE to have internet multiplayer but not putting the network together so it could be done and instead focusing on gimmiks like interconectability of their GBA and cubes that no oner buys they loose more money.
Fact #7 I don't like a company that tries to tell people what they like instead of giving people what they do like! N64 was a flop (even though I had one, but no games for it) and so is gamecube.
Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:19 pm
Originally posted by LordShard
THey made their GBA and gamecube to hook up together, they have sold millions of GBAs and only a few hundred thousand gamecubes.
As of September 2003:
PlayStation 2 59,990,000
GBA 31,700,000
GBA-SP 2,110,000
GameCube 9,550,000
Xbox 9,400,000
Source: http://archive.gamespy.com/icfj/september03/import7/
Thanks for playing.
I know what it's like to be in college, man - you start to feel like you're the most mature person in the world and that games with a "kiddy" atmosphere are too good for you. We all grow out of it eventually. Hell, the fact that you're bashing a console for its color when there was the opening option of black as well is a nice symbol of maturity. You get a thumbs up!
Feel free to call me a Nintendo "fanboy", but I play PC exclusively.
Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:19 pm
N64 a flop? Everyone and thier cousin had one...
Sun Aug 22, 2004 3:24 pm
That's what the N in my name stands for. The N64 rocked. Banjo Kazooie all the way!
Sun Aug 22, 2004 5:24 pm
Good post Cashcow...the real flop is Xbox. PS2 was out a year earlier selling for $299...soon after Xbox released PS2 dropped the price to $199. Micro$oft had no choice but to follow. Now, I had a PS2 but sold it to get a Xbox only because most of my friends had it and loved Halo...the Playstation was better, and most of the new titles out there seem better for the PS2. I almost never get games for the Xbox, but Fable does look pretty neat.
Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:47 pm
As far as comparison to the PS2, this is a selection from an article from IGN (from 2000) when the two consoles were first appearing.
Depending on which development house you talk to, there are different winners in the race for hardware supremacy. PS2 is a difficult, but nonetheless powerful console that software houses have yet to master, and Gamecube is a programmer friendly, yet powerful platform that, because of Nintendo's secrecy, is still largely unproven.
If you get anything out of this article, we hope that it's a better sense of just how powerful Nintendo's Gamecube console is, though. We have not set out to prove PlayStation 2 is an inferior system, only that Nintendo's is just as strong in every single respect technically speaking. At the end of the day, we still believe the battlefield will be separated with those that are willing to master PS2's difficulties and create truly amazing software, and those that would prefer not to waste time and energy on struggling with the hardware when they can worry strictly about content on Nintendo's Gamecube and Microsoft's XBox.
Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:33 pm
I didn't bash nintendo, It's a fact that color DOES matter when people buy a console. Most people who play video games and buy them don't like purple.
Given a choice would you bring home a purple lil box or a sleek black one?
There's my point. The last console I bought was a playstation, it didn't have all 3d graphics and all the beefy hardware specs of the N64 but it had a better selection of games. For N64 I had Zelda, Zelda Majoras mask, expansion pack perfect dark golden eye and that was about it. For playstation I had front mission3?, final fantasy 7, tekken, tekken 2, tekken 3, and a dozen lesser games, and the games for PS were cheaper than cartridges.
ANouther thing my maturity has nothing to do with this!
If you think I'm immature because I recignize the fact that most people who buy consoles are 18-25and don't like purple then maybe you need to think about the facts.
I haven't bought a console in a long time but if I were to buy a console it would be the PS2 because of it's wide selection of games and backward compatibility.
As of September 2003:
PlayStation 2 59,990,000
GBA 31,700,000
GBA-SP 2,110,000
GameCube 9,550,000
Xbox 9,400,000
Those numbers are off a bit, they have sold many more gamecube systems to the stores than what the stores have sold to consumers! And when gamecube first came out it was $300? That comes out to abot 31k systems sold minimum and at the current price of $100 per that is 95k maximum. Not even close to the 100k mark.
As for Xbox not making much, any money microsoft made on it prompty flew out the door when they dropped prices for it, which they now loose money on every xbox sold.
Nintendo has made more from their GBAs costing $100 when they first came out than their gamecubes which cost $300 when it first came out which should tell you something.
The big 3 things nintendo could have done to embetter itself is
#1) Not color it purple, no one in college is going to buy a purple console, and people in colllege is 95% of the market
#2)Internet multiplayer, it has the ability but no network to connect to, and the big thing isn't interconnectivity it's internet multipayer
#3)Stop developing properietary hardware, no one does and makes money on it anymore
Then you have to figure that the money spent on developing all that propreitary hardware must have reached into the hundreds of thousands or possibly millions.
Nintendo just isn't up to the competition, in fact they didn't make any money on the N64 which is why they were hoping to make money on the gamecube but they blew it. I don't see them lasting anouther 15 years, they might end up being forced to make cards like they used to do.
ANyways if sony and/or microsoft wanted to push nintendo out of the american market once and for all, they could easily do it, they have the financial backing of their conglomerates! Hell even bill gates said "If no one will make games for the Xbox we'll just make our own games".
The future of gaming isn't with nintendo.
Given a choice would you bring home a purple lil box or a sleek black one?
There's my point. The last console I bought was a playstation, it didn't have all 3d graphics and all the beefy hardware specs of the N64 but it had a better selection of games. For N64 I had Zelda, Zelda Majoras mask, expansion pack perfect dark golden eye and that was about it. For playstation I had front mission3?, final fantasy 7, tekken, tekken 2, tekken 3, and a dozen lesser games, and the games for PS were cheaper than cartridges.
ANouther thing my maturity has nothing to do with this!
If you think I'm immature because I recignize the fact that most people who buy consoles are 18-25and don't like purple then maybe you need to think about the facts.
I haven't bought a console in a long time but if I were to buy a console it would be the PS2 because of it's wide selection of games and backward compatibility.
As of September 2003:
PlayStation 2 59,990,000
GBA 31,700,000
GBA-SP 2,110,000
GameCube 9,550,000
Xbox 9,400,000
Those numbers are off a bit, they have sold many more gamecube systems to the stores than what the stores have sold to consumers! And when gamecube first came out it was $300? That comes out to abot 31k systems sold minimum and at the current price of $100 per that is 95k maximum. Not even close to the 100k mark.
As for Xbox not making much, any money microsoft made on it prompty flew out the door when they dropped prices for it, which they now loose money on every xbox sold.
Nintendo has made more from their GBAs costing $100 when they first came out than their gamecubes which cost $300 when it first came out which should tell you something.
The big 3 things nintendo could have done to embetter itself is
#1) Not color it purple, no one in college is going to buy a purple console, and people in colllege is 95% of the market
#2)Internet multiplayer, it has the ability but no network to connect to, and the big thing isn't interconnectivity it's internet multipayer
#3)Stop developing properietary hardware, no one does and makes money on it anymore
Then you have to figure that the money spent on developing all that propreitary hardware must have reached into the hundreds of thousands or possibly millions.
Nintendo just isn't up to the competition, in fact they didn't make any money on the N64 which is why they were hoping to make money on the gamecube but they blew it. I don't see them lasting anouther 15 years, they might end up being forced to make cards like they used to do.
ANyways if sony and/or microsoft wanted to push nintendo out of the american market once and for all, they could easily do it, they have the financial backing of their conglomerates! Hell even bill gates said "If no one will make games for the Xbox we'll just make our own games".
The future of gaming isn't with nintendo.