German invasion of Britain would have failed
Mon Mar 06, 2006 5:56 pm
Thats right, despite the widely held belief that Britain was incapable of repeling a german invasion in WW2. a few decades ago they did a war game, played on a map of Britains defences at the planned time of invasion and got commanders from both side who played a part in their sides planning. heres how it would have happened.
German Stukas would have bombarded costal defences btween folkstone and Brighton (Thats a long stretch of coastline,the landing area)
The Royal Navy had to remained sheltered in scarpaflow, 2 days away.
German forces land on the beaches and meet heavy resistance from a massive live of pillboxs, many on elivated positions. German forces would have to make there way past barbed wire and concrete blockades.
This first line of defences would have held up the German invaders by 3 hours and inflicted over 50% casualties on the first wave. At the same time German paratroopers would have landed behind the British frontlines.
But enough time had been bought. Massive British reinforcements would have arrived at the Churchill line for a counter attack, one of many lines of defences set up to protect key areas of Britain, the Royal navy had set sail for the channel to annhilate German supply ships. The Germans havenow landed 90,000 troops in the UK.
Day2---- German forces have advanced 8 miles in land,but not easily. Every step they made, they were attacked, ambushed and hit by boobytraps, all by the elegde crap homeguard, who were determined and tough. Yes its true the homeguard would have suffered heavy casualties and only slowed down the German advance.
Day 3---- Heavy fighting is taking place all along the churchill line, 15 miles inland. The Royal Navy has arrived in the Channel and is blowing the crap out of the German supply ships. As a result the Germans are running out of ammo and supply, and perhaps most critically, they have only landed a tiny amount, if any tanks vital for the blitzkrieg tactic.
More British reinforcements are arriving constantly and no German reinforcements, and what Germans are there are running out of ammo and supplys. With the Royal navy still bombarding german ships and postions inland and overwhelming British numbers, the invasion crumbles, only 25% of the German forces escaped uscaved, 75% were killed, captured or wouned.
Thats what would have happened, all were in agreement.
RULE BRITAINNIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
German Stukas would have bombarded costal defences btween folkstone and Brighton (Thats a long stretch of coastline,the landing area)
The Royal Navy had to remained sheltered in scarpaflow, 2 days away.
German forces land on the beaches and meet heavy resistance from a massive live of pillboxs, many on elivated positions. German forces would have to make there way past barbed wire and concrete blockades.
This first line of defences would have held up the German invaders by 3 hours and inflicted over 50% casualties on the first wave. At the same time German paratroopers would have landed behind the British frontlines.
But enough time had been bought. Massive British reinforcements would have arrived at the Churchill line for a counter attack, one of many lines of defences set up to protect key areas of Britain, the Royal navy had set sail for the channel to annhilate German supply ships. The Germans havenow landed 90,000 troops in the UK.
Day2---- German forces have advanced 8 miles in land,but not easily. Every step they made, they were attacked, ambushed and hit by boobytraps, all by the elegde crap homeguard, who were determined and tough. Yes its true the homeguard would have suffered heavy casualties and only slowed down the German advance.
Day 3---- Heavy fighting is taking place all along the churchill line, 15 miles inland. The Royal Navy has arrived in the Channel and is blowing the crap out of the German supply ships. As a result the Germans are running out of ammo and supply, and perhaps most critically, they have only landed a tiny amount, if any tanks vital for the blitzkrieg tactic.
More British reinforcements are arriving constantly and no German reinforcements, and what Germans are there are running out of ammo and supplys. With the Royal navy still bombarding german ships and postions inland and overwhelming British numbers, the invasion crumbles, only 25% of the German forces escaped uscaved, 75% were killed, captured or wouned.
Thats what would have happened, all were in agreement.
RULE BRITAINNIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:09 pm
Yeah blitzkrieg would not have worked in those situations. You have to acknowledge things like royal navy casualties which would have been extremely high though....
Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:34 pm
Did more British people own guns back then? Taking over a country, especially an island, that isn't just a tiny fraction of your own size is simply an impossibility unless the country really, really, hates it's govt. So, there's no way Germany can occupy England unless England has a population of like 3-4 million and hates it's government to the point of a near revolt.
A little off topic, there's a cool documentary on Comcast's On-Demand about WWI and America's relationship toward England and Germany.
I never really knew how popular Germany was at the start of WWI. We were selling them goods, our economy was booming. An early version of a German submarine snuck through the British blockade and made it to America. They were treated like heroes by the people (some members of our Govt objected), and then we loaded up their ship with nickel and rubber (don't ask me why they wanted those two items so much) and sent them along their way.
Germany, whether WWI or WWII just miscalculated America every time. Imagine if Germany hadn't invaded France. Instead, the very first thing they do is manufacture a conflict with Russia, get Poland's permission to cross their country, and attack Russia. If Germany had done that, America would have created a lend-lease program *for* Germany to crush Russia. Then, spend a couple of years, maybe ten, converting Russia to National Socialism. After the mess that Stalin made, those Russians would have thought the Nazi way of life was a gift from god. Remember, the Nazis were efficient and knew how make a country run like clockwork. Then imagine Hitler going after the rest of Europe, with the might and resources of his new Russian territories behind him instead of fighting against them.
Yikes, it wouldn't not be pretty.
PS, sorry for long ass post, I forgive anyone who just skips over it.
A little off topic, there's a cool documentary on Comcast's On-Demand about WWI and America's relationship toward England and Germany.
I never really knew how popular Germany was at the start of WWI. We were selling them goods, our economy was booming. An early version of a German submarine snuck through the British blockade and made it to America. They were treated like heroes by the people (some members of our Govt objected), and then we loaded up their ship with nickel and rubber (don't ask me why they wanted those two items so much) and sent them along their way.
Germany, whether WWI or WWII just miscalculated America every time. Imagine if Germany hadn't invaded France. Instead, the very first thing they do is manufacture a conflict with Russia, get Poland's permission to cross their country, and attack Russia. If Germany had done that, America would have created a lend-lease program *for* Germany to crush Russia. Then, spend a couple of years, maybe ten, converting Russia to National Socialism. After the mess that Stalin made, those Russians would have thought the Nazi way of life was a gift from god. Remember, the Nazis were efficient and knew how make a country run like clockwork. Then imagine Hitler going after the rest of Europe, with the might and resources of his new Russian territories behind him instead of fighting against them.
Yikes, it wouldn't not be pretty.
PS, sorry for long ass post, I forgive anyone who just skips over it.
Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:43 pm
cavalier, what is the name of the documentary on comcast?
it sounds interesting.
it sounds interesting.
Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:21 pm
Actually around then Britains population would have been 40- 50 million, 2 million of them soldiers, much of the population would have had somesort of gun, normally a hunting gun,or an old WW1 pistol. Even then the Sten machine gun could be made from things in any shed around the country, then theres molotov cocktails, whichby this point, everyone could make. And much more deadly, the British spirt to resist invadersof our island home. (sadly nearly gone today)
Royal nav ycasualties would have been nothing compared to what the Germans suffered, and the Germans would have had 90,000 strong invasion force, compared to the 2 million men of the British army and the homeguard. Being an island has always helped us, its why havent been invaded in nearly 1000 years.
Royal nav ycasualties would have been nothing compared to what the Germans suffered, and the Germans would have had 90,000 strong invasion force, compared to the 2 million men of the British army and the homeguard. Being an island has always helped us, its why havent been invaded in nearly 1000 years.
Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:19 pm
Originally posted by CodeRed68
cavalier, what is the name of the documentary on comcast?
it sounds interesting.
The First World War: Blockade-- World War 1 Ep 7
you'll find it under the menu for 'News&World' , 'Military Channel'
Note: the stuff about hitler invading Russia first is just my crazy theories, the stuff about America, Germany, the Blockade, WWI was from the documentary.
You probably knew that, I but I'd hate to have you watching the documentary waiting for a bizarre 'what-if' scenario regarding WWII.
