Wow! Trees, Ozone bad!
Mon May 10, 2004 8:34 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$ILQ4LYNABOUZXQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2004/05/10/nweath10.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/05/10/ixportal.html
Which is exactly why most "environmentalists" should be ignored. they have no real information to base their "facts" (read:opinion) on.
Which is exactly why most "environmentalists" should be ignored. they have no real information to base their "facts" (read:opinion) on.
Mon May 10, 2004 10:04 pm
Yup, I always knew those tree huggin hippies were out to get us!
Mon May 10, 2004 10:44 pm
In contrast to industrialists, who have definitive scientific evidence that pollution has no adverse effect.
Re: Wow! Trees, Ozone bad!
Mon May 10, 2004 11:12 pm
Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;$sessionid$ILQ4LYNABOUZXQFIQMGSFGGAVCBQWIV0?xml=/news/2004/05/10/nweath10.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/05/10/ixportal.html
Which is exactly why most "environmentalists" should be ignored. they have no real information to base their "facts" (read:opinion) on.
fixt link.
Mon May 10, 2004 11:59 pm
Ah Chacal you error in assuming I think the opposite of what you believe. Did I once state that everything was fine and dandy? Did I once state that there is no problems?
No I did not. I merely cautioned against half assed belief systems replacing science.
If you get all pissed and come back with some kind of vehement rhetoric about "past evidence" showing we have affected the environment then you miss the entire point and do not understand.
You are older than a child Chacal and you should remember the furious debates about the depletion of the ozone layer during the 80's correct?
Notice how this article reflects upon the OZONE PRODUCTION taking place over the Northern American Continent! (Note that it did not say US it said Northern America) and how it adversely effects the European climate?
Damn and I thought we greedy money hungry capitalists in the "Northern America's" had destroyed the ozone.
No I did not. I merely cautioned against half assed belief systems replacing science.
If you get all pissed and come back with some kind of vehement rhetoric about "past evidence" showing we have affected the environment then you miss the entire point and do not understand.
You are older than a child Chacal and you should remember the furious debates about the depletion of the ozone layer during the 80's correct?
Notice how this article reflects upon the OZONE PRODUCTION taking place over the Northern American Continent! (Note that it did not say US it said Northern America) and how it adversely effects the European climate?
Damn and I thought we greedy money hungry capitalists in the "Northern America's" had destroyed the ozone.
Tue May 11, 2004 12:16 am
Get your facts right. Ozone is harmful for animals and plants. Ozone produced at ground level will not migrate up to the ozone layer because of its short life. Conversely, ozone created by UV at high altitude will not migrate down to ground level.
Ozone-depleting gases like freon WILL migrate up to the ozone layer because they are long-lived and are lighter than air.
Talk about half-assed belief systems.
Ozone-depleting gases like freon WILL migrate up to the ozone layer because they are long-lived and are lighter than air.
Talk about half-assed belief systems.
Safety Issues
Because ozone is one of the most powerful oxidizing agents known to mankind, it should be considered a hazardous material and handled as such. Hazardous as it is, it has been handled successfully and routinely in water plants for over eighty years. Ozone is not a known carcinogenic.
If leaks develop in the ozonation system, the smell of ozone will become apparent. Most people can detect about 0.01 PPM in the air. This is well within the general comfort level. Symptoms experienced with concentrations at 0.1 to 1 PPM are headaches, irritation and burning of the eyes and respiratory irritation. The action level of 0.1 PPM of the ozone monitored in the ambient air for exposure to workers on a time weighted average over an eight-hour period, five days a week is the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) maximum exposure level limit. In other words, employees can be exposed to higher levels for shorter periods of time as long as they do not exceed the average exposure of 0.1 PPM over eight hours.
To provide for accidental discharges of ozone it is recommended to install an ambient air ozone monitor at an appropriate point or points within the equipment room. These monitors are set to signal at a minimum 0.1 PPM. Additionally, these monitors can be connected to exhaust fans that trip when the alarm is activated and/or cutoff the electrical supply to the ozone generator. There are also personal ozone exposure level badges that employees can wear individually. Ambient ozone will dissipate rapidly.
Tue May 11, 2004 12:49 am
Wow Ingus, chill. I always enjoy how when someone displays an opinion you take it as a personal attack.
Nice post Chacal, been learning a lot obout that type of thing in some of my classes this semester.
Nice post Chacal, been learning a lot obout that type of thing in some of my classes this semester.
Tue May 11, 2004 2:48 am
Yeah, Ingus, before you go badmouthing the environmentalists, you'd better do some learnin' about gasses (and not just the kind you emit, you old fart! 
). There is a huge difference between ground level and high level ozone, which I think Chacal explained quite nicely.
Not to mention that the article in question went on to point out that this particular phenomenon of rising ground level ozone is a) brought about by days of extreme heat (which, thanks to those lovely greenhouse gasses we keep pumping out, happens more and more frequently) and b) a by-product of the increased breakdown of nitrogen oxide (another pollutant).
Sooooo.....if we didn't keep polluting the atmosphere, the days would be cooler, we'd breathe easier, and the trees wouldn't inadvertently try to kill us.
Ain't humanity grand? We're not only screwing up the environment, we're short circuiting the systems that exist to keep problems in check.
). There is a huge difference between ground level and high level ozone, which I think Chacal explained quite nicely.
Not to mention that the article in question went on to point out that this particular phenomenon of rising ground level ozone is a) brought about by days of extreme heat (which, thanks to those lovely greenhouse gasses we keep pumping out, happens more and more frequently) and b) a by-product of the increased breakdown of nitrogen oxide (another pollutant).
Sooooo.....if we didn't keep polluting the atmosphere, the days would be cooler, we'd breathe easier, and the trees wouldn't inadvertently try to kill us.
Ain't humanity grand? We're not only screwing up the environment, we're short circuiting the systems that exist to keep problems in check.
Tue May 11, 2004 3:00 am
I went to York university where those scientists come from. Man what a dump!
Tue May 11, 2004 6:27 am
Originally posted by Xenius
Nice post Chacal, been learning a lot obout that type of thing in some of my classes this semester.
It's called junk science
Tue May 11, 2004 8:21 am
I dont think there is anyone who gets or understands the whole picture... its all speculation anyways...
Tue May 11, 2004 8:56 am
Originally posted by deathBOB
I dont think there is anyone who gets or understands the whole picture... its all speculation anyways...
And speculation is not science.
Tue May 11, 2004 10:35 am
I am no scientist. However, it is common sense that cars and factories produce pollution that is bad for us and our environment. All that smog over L.A. is caused by cars, not trees and it is bad for your health.
Jim
Jim
Tue May 11, 2004 11:24 am
Originally posted by Jim0322
I am no scientist. However, it is common sense that cars and factories produce pollution that is bad for us and our environment. All that smog over L.A. is caused by cars, not trees and it is bad for your health.
Jim
Why do you think L.A. was called the "City of Angels"? They didn't have cars back then.....
Tue May 11, 2004 11:27 am
That article is horseshit. The reason the trees are even in the position of giving off gases is because of the global heating we have caused.
Let's start blaming vegetation for our pollution problems.
I have to go now. I have some trash I need to dump in the ocean.
I'll do that right after I throw my cigarette out my car window. Might as well unload this McDonalds bag also.
Let's start blaming vegetation for our pollution problems.
I have to go now. I have some trash I need to dump in the ocean.
I'll do that right after I throw my cigarette out my car window. Might as well unload this McDonalds bag also.