Will you re-elect Bush?
by PudriK » Sun Aug 10, 2003 8:26 pm
Actually she didn't have as much insight as I hoped. Her opinion was that the 'snooty' french culture was just how the kids were raised, but she didn't have any creative ideas about why their culture was like that. Couldn't see the forest for the trees, I guess. I dunno. I'll go with your idea till I hear a better one.
Anyway... I don't know that much about nuclear power. I had an instructor in college that also did nuke work for the Navy, as a civilian, I think. I remember him telling us how a lot of the worries people have about it are over-blown. I am not as concerned about a nuke station blowing up, but waste disposal still seems to be a problem.
Where does Bush stand on nuclear power? (Or was it nucular?) My guess would be he pays lip service to it, given his background. I think nuke power should be more of a state issue, especially given all the other concerns these days.
Anyway... I don't know that much about nuclear power. I had an instructor in college that also did nuke work for the Navy, as a civilian, I think. I remember him telling us how a lot of the worries people have about it are over-blown. I am not as concerned about a nuke station blowing up, but waste disposal still seems to be a problem.
Where does Bush stand on nuclear power? (Or was it nucular?) My guess would be he pays lip service to it, given his background. I think nuke power should be more of a state issue, especially given all the other concerns these days.
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by Sannop » Sun Aug 10, 2003 8:58 pm
I don’t know where Bush stands. Anyone actually admitting to be pro-nuke power is immediately labeled as an enemy of the environment in this country. And that is so wrong,
Nuclear waste is much less of a threat to the environment than all of the gas stations with underground tanks. They have found many tanks, not even that old, to have slow leaks. It does not take much petroleum product to ruin a water system. Our current addiction to fossil fuels is more damaging than a proper nuclear structure. I say proper, because if someone wanted to build a plant like Chernobyl (graphite moderated) I would be one of the first ones protesting and blocking the construction zone. I just wish that many of the active protesters would get at least a fundamental understanding of the physics before they started opening their mouths. But then again, we are inundated with folks that highly overestimate their knowledge.
Back to France, I just watched A&E’s Napoleon again. If my idea has any merit, I think it is possible that the French have been struggling to gain back respect after his humiliating defeat (Moscow.. not Waterloo). Prussia, Russia, Austria, and England all marched into Paris and forced his abdication. I want to take a look at the 1800’s and see how powerful the French really were in the world stage up until WWI. I am no buff on WWI knowledge, how important were they in that war? Hmmmm…. Just interesting thinking about it. (And I realize that it could all be a load of shit
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Nuclear waste is much less of a threat to the environment than all of the gas stations with underground tanks. They have found many tanks, not even that old, to have slow leaks. It does not take much petroleum product to ruin a water system. Our current addiction to fossil fuels is more damaging than a proper nuclear structure. I say proper, because if someone wanted to build a plant like Chernobyl (graphite moderated) I would be one of the first ones protesting and blocking the construction zone. I just wish that many of the active protesters would get at least a fundamental understanding of the physics before they started opening their mouths. But then again, we are inundated with folks that highly overestimate their knowledge.
Back to France, I just watched A&E’s Napoleon again. If my idea has any merit, I think it is possible that the French have been struggling to gain back respect after his humiliating defeat (Moscow.. not Waterloo). Prussia, Russia, Austria, and England all marched into Paris and forced his abdication. I want to take a look at the 1800’s and see how powerful the French really were in the world stage up until WWI. I am no buff on WWI knowledge, how important were they in that war? Hmmmm…. Just interesting thinking about it. (And I realize that it could all be a load of shit
)by PudriK » Mon Aug 11, 2003 5:55 pm
A friend of mine had a fascinating graphic posted in her cubicle which demonstrated the carnage of Napolean's expedition to France. I'll try to borrow it and scan it.
In brief, he took 400,000 men into Russia. He had 4,000 in the end, the majority of whom were part of forces left in the rear to protect the supply lines. Imagine that. You are part of a unit of 1000 men. 10 of you survive. He arrived in Moscow with about half his original force, and had only 1,000 of that force left when they reunited with the rear guard troops. Most of the men died at river crossings, each which often cut his force in half. The graphic includes a temperature scale during the return--temperatures were well below zero.
Nobody mentioned it at the time, but Cinqo de Mayo is not a great holiday for the French. It commemorates a day when a smaller, poorly equipped Mexican force defeated a French expeditionary force in 1862.
I guess they could say they are a nation of lovers, not fighters.
I should dig up a French history book to see what wars they celebrate. I don't know their history well enough, there may be some victories worth noting.
In brief, he took 400,000 men into Russia. He had 4,000 in the end, the majority of whom were part of forces left in the rear to protect the supply lines. Imagine that. You are part of a unit of 1000 men. 10 of you survive. He arrived in Moscow with about half his original force, and had only 1,000 of that force left when they reunited with the rear guard troops. Most of the men died at river crossings, each which often cut his force in half. The graphic includes a temperature scale during the return--temperatures were well below zero.
Nobody mentioned it at the time, but Cinqo de Mayo is not a great holiday for the French. It commemorates a day when a smaller, poorly equipped Mexican force defeated a French expeditionary force in 1862.
I guess they could say they are a nation of lovers, not fighters.
I should dig up a French history book to see what wars they celebrate. I don't know their history well enough, there may be some victories worth noting.
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by Rule of Wrist » Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:03 pm
My buddy sent me this a while back... kinda funny... 
Subject: The Complete Military History of France
Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.
Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."
Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.
Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots
Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.
War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
The Dutch War - Tied
War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War Lost,
but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the
world over to label the period as the height of French military power.
War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.
American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."
French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.
The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.
The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.
World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.
World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.
War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu
Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.
War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.
The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not
be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."
Subject: The Complete Military History of France
Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.
Hundred Years War - Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."
Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.
Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots
Thirty Years War - France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.
War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
The Dutch War - Tied
War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War Lost,
but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the
world over to label the period as the height of French military power.
War of the Spanish Succession - Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.
American Revolution - In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."
French Revolution - Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.
The Napoleonic Wars - Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.
The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.
World War I - Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.
World War II - Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.
War in Indochina - Lost. French forces plead sickness, take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu
Algerian Rebellion - Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.
War on Terrorism - France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.
The question for any country silly enough to count on the French should not
be "Can we count on the French?", but rather "How long until France collapses?"
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without an accordion. All you do is leave behind a lot of noisy baggage."
by PudriK » Mon Aug 11, 2003 6:04 pm
I got that one too, but I have a healthy distrust of anything beginning with "FW:". Still, I haven't seen any counter evidence yet, and much does match what I have learned.
Incidently, they were going into Mexico in 1862 because Mexico owed them money. Mexico owed everybody money, but were able to settle with us, Britain, etc. France saw it as an opportunity to inject a French government. It failed.
Google has not been a good source of quick information so far.
Incidently, they were going into Mexico in 1862 because Mexico owed them money. Mexico owed everybody money, but were able to settle with us, Britain, etc. France saw it as an opportunity to inject a French government. It failed.
Google has not been a good source of quick information so far.
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Napoleon's March to Moscow
by PudriK » Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:21 pm
It's a big file, so here's a link to that graphic I told you about.
I was a bit off on my numbers. It was 422,000 in, 10,000 out, 6,000 of which was part of the rear guard. It's probably the most striking historical graphic I have ever seen, once you really think about what it means.
Napoleon.tif
I was a bit off on my numbers. It was 422,000 in, 10,000 out, 6,000 of which was part of the rear guard. It's probably the most striking historical graphic I have ever seen, once you really think about what it means.
Napoleon.tif
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by RCglider » Tue Aug 12, 2003 8:56 pm
"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." General George Patton
France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes."
---Mark Twain
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion."
-- Attributed to both Norman Schwartzkopf and Donald Rumsfield
"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure"
---Jacques Chirac, President of France
"As far as France is concerned, you're right."
---Rush Limbaugh,
"You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He IS French, people."
--Conan O'Brien
"The heaviest cross I had to bear was the Cross of Lorraine"
---Winston Churchill
France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes."
---Mark Twain
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion."
-- Attributed to both Norman Schwartzkopf and Donald Rumsfield
"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure"
---Jacques Chirac, President of France
"As far as France is concerned, you're right."
---Rush Limbaugh,
"You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He IS French, people."
--Conan O'Brien
"The heaviest cross I had to bear was the Cross of Lorraine"
---Winston Churchill
by Jeffro » Tue Aug 12, 2003 11:34 pm
Originally posted by RCglider
"I would rather have a German division in front of me than a French one behind me." General George Patton
France has neither winter nor summer nor morals. Apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country. France has usually been governed by prostitutes."
---Mark Twain
"Going to war without France is like going deer hunting without your accordion."
-- Attributed to both Norman Schwartzkopf and Donald Rumsfield
"As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure"
---Jacques Chirac, President of France
"As far as France is concerned, you're right."
---Rush Limbaugh,
"You know why the French don't want to bomb Saddam Hussein? Because he hates America, he loves mistresses and wears a beret. He IS French, people."
--Conan O'Brien
"The heaviest cross I had to bear was the Cross of Lorraine"
---Winston Churchill
Thats priceless
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by Sidekick Floppy » Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:33 pm
Is this thread still going?
Hmm, seems it is funny to laugh with all the defeats of France. I hope this war in Iraq won't become the latest US defeat.
Hmm, seems it is funny to laugh with all the defeats of France. I hope this war in Iraq won't become the latest US defeat.
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