Scary Trends in Canada

by **WeSSiN** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:14 pm

This thread really saddens me

I think we should just stop this nonsense. How could anyone enjoy insulting each other like this? :confused:

Oh well

by **Pierce** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:20 pm

It's probably cuz we're just bored and it's fun1

"Saying that unless you are as bad as hitler you are not evil is not really a defence of the US, there are levels of evil below nazi mass murder wouldn't you say?" - SavageParrot

What level of evil is the US on then?"

by **Colonel Ingus** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:22 pm

I doubt many teens south of the border would even be able to name 4 Canadian provinces

Province? What the hell is a province?:D Even sadder I bet if you asked the average teenager (the citizens not the 4,000,000 illegal immigrants) they couldn't name 2 Mexican provinces.

God Dammit! If anyone has got the right to talk about nuking someone to hell and gone it's AMERICA!

We invented the damn things! Built more than anybody else. AND ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO HAVE EVER NUKED ANYBODY!

Damn Canadians! You guys probably don't even have nukes! Don't go telling us what to do with them!

this sort of cowboy diplomacy.”

This one always cracks me up. Calling Americans cowboys and saying we practice "cowboy diplomacy". Not only did we invent the "cowboy" we like 'em! When I hear a foreign dignitary calling Bush a cowboy I laugh. You think your insulting him? He's from TEXAS! You just paid him a high compliment!

by **Pierce** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:24 pm

Haha, very true. Bush probably gets all warm inside hearing himself being called a cowboy.

by **Tour of Duty** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:26 pm

" The state of Israel would cease to exist if not for American protection, and about 5.5 million Jews would be in grave danger."

this is BULLSHIT

But back to the point: it's odd to say that Americans are evil. I have a few American friends, and I don't really think they are evil :o
Okey, okey, Americans are maybe a bit 'crazy' compared to 'Europeans thoughts' or 'Canadian thoughts', but that doesn't really have to mean that Americans are the 'bad guys' etc. It's just a different culture. Nothing wrong with that.
In some countries it's normal for a man to beat up his wife. We (The West culture) would claim that they are insane (or 'evil' to their wife), because it isn't normal in our culture.
But we have to respect that. We are outsiders, and we have to leave that 'part of culture' alone, and mind our own bussiness.
Now the thing about Canada. What is happening in Canada (I guess) is just a form of propaganda. A propaganda against the US by their own government *. Just like in second world war the people really think that the US is based on evil things, etc.
After (or actually "during", because) the war (isn't over yet) different countries began to 'hate' Americans because of their ignorance against other countries who believed that America was fighting for revenge (Bush Senior couldn't get Hussein....his son did) instead of 'freedom all around the world' and 'the world is not longer dangerous for terrorist attacks'. These countries claimed that the war in Iraq was simply an invasion.
Since that moment (it seems), the Canadian government began an offence against the American government and the Americans itself.

*All around the world, in allmost all countries (in the last 200 years), you have propaganda.
A good example is the period from 1937-1945, when Hitler told the people Germany was the greatest country of all, the 'Ubermensch', etc....we know all that shit

During war (like now), countries that are involved in the war try to confince their people that their country is winning, and that the other country is 'bad'.

To the Americans who are reading this (and I think that's a lot

): even YOUR government is busy with propaganda. I think..no..I hope guys see this trough your own eyes, and base your opinion on your OWN opinion. Media can mislead you, in all kind of forms. Even movies try to mislead you (an American movie about the war in Vietnam is totally different than a movie that was made by Vietnamese). But I assume that you guys knew that too

.
My only message for today (of what we are reading about what is happening in Canada): is to try to create an own point of view on a subject (I know Col. Ingus is a really smart guy. Some times a bit too patriotic

, but he knows what is happening in the world). CNN can be misleading too (not really often though). The thing what I SEE is happening is this: there is a fight in the US (republicans-democrats), the US is fighting against terrorism (US-Iraq/Afghanistan...AND LET'S HOPE IT KEEPS THAT WAY, BECAUSE SOME AMERICANS ARE WAITING TO HAVE A GOOD EXCUSE TO !!INVADE!!!!! IRAN (or North-Korea on a longer term maybe?) (read the conclusions in the independent report that was released today about 9/11) ), Terrorism against the world, and the rest of the world (who disagree with the US), are 'fighting' against the US.
Looks like chaos to me huh? Or is this opinion I gave you based on European propaganda? Don't know. I hope I am realistic, and I hope you guys say the same (that I try to be realistic

;)).
Well, I am a big smacktard allready, so I'll stop now

.

by **Evan** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:41 pm

Originally posted by shockwave203
that's bullshit. I've read many [b]adults saying the entire middle east needs to be nuked, in this very forum. Adults. That's far worse.

How many people in the US have made asses of themselves by making fun of the french? You guys still carry on about it! Calling Chirac names, having 'freedom fries'.

Talk about calling the kettle black. [/B]

That's bullshit huh? I like how you can speak for American teenagers when you live in Canada. Isn't it funny how these things go?

by **Colonel Ingus** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:42 pm

AND LET'S HOPE IT KEEPS THAT WAY, BECAUSE SOME AMERICANS ARE WAITING TO HAVE A GOOD EXCUSE TO !!INVADE!!!!! IRAN (or North-Korea on a longer term maybe?)

Roger that! Thats the one that scares me. We could do no good whatsoever in any type of armed conflict with Iran. Didn't we blow up enough of their shit (that we gave them) in the 80's?

The youth of Iran are going to change that country and that effect will be greater than any we could ever accomplish. You should read Iranian blog's, a lot of Iran's younger generation dislike their government more than the average American does.

Thats what I am talking anout when I mention self dependency, the "teaching a man to fish parable", the people of Iran would be so much stronger and last so much longer if they do it themselves. Maybe not an Arab democracy? So what.

And as far as North Korea goes didn't we do that once before? I seem to remember it didn't turn out so well. Stop giving them aid and they will fall. That country is untenable and being blackmailed into giving them foreign aid is BS. Let it collapse. We could have stopped giving them food and oil and they would have collapsed during the *ahem* previous administration.

And a quick FU you to JimmyT.

So, RC, Ingus and others have now gone from starting these stupid political threads to now starting ripping on Canada and insulting Canadian posters here. Good one guys, pat yourself on the back.

I am now firmly convinced you only see what you want when you read these posts and if you read something that doesn't agree with your pre-concieved notions it doesn't exist.

Go back and re-read :tard:

. I have defended Canada, said its A-Ok with me that they do their own thing, and that I respect them more for it.

by **Evan** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:46 pm

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
Roger that! Thats the one that scares me. We could do no good whatsoever in any type of armed conflict with Iran. Didn't we blow up enough of their shit (that we gave them) in the 80's?

The youth of Iran are going to change that country and that effect will be greater than any we could ever accomplish. You should read Iranian blog's, a lot of Iran younger generations dislike their government more than the average American does.

Thats what I am talking anout when I mention self dependency, the "teaching a man to fish parable", the people of Iran would be so much stronger and last so much longer if they do it themselves. Maybe not an Arab democracy? So what.

And as far as North Korea goes didn't we do that once before? I seem to remember it didn't turn out so well. Stop giving them aid and they will fall. That country is untenable and being blackmailed into giving them foreign aid is BS. Let it collapse. We could have stopped giving them food and oil and they would have collapsed during the *ahem* previous administration.

And a quick FU you to JimmyT.

I am now firmly convinced you only see what you want when you read these posts and if you read something that doesn't agree with your pre-concieved notions it doesn't exist.

Go back and re-read . I have defended Canada, said its A-Ok with me that they do their own thing, and that I respect them more for it.

Same here. I don't dislike Canada (I've always wanted to visit up there, see the sites, etc.) but it's when misinformed and ignorant people talk about how America is that irritates me.

by **COL.BUKKAKE** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:55 pm

Originally posted by shockwave203
:lol:

Imagine how the french people feel then. You're no better than the teens who hate the US.

Dont get it Shock......sorry

by **JimmyTango** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:55 pm

Originally posted by COL.BUKKAKE
I think I have the right to be pissed when we are considered "evil" and that goes for anyone that says it. Sorry Jimmy if you have this " I hate America complex" and anyone that is proud to live here is an "idiot".

I am sorry that someone who does nto see eye to eye with you means they 'hate America.' It is pathetic that you, and others here, constantly resort to these childish and ignorant tactics.

Originally posted by COL.BUKKAKE
And who are these Americans that are getting sick of our arrogance, our teachers and professors, the intelectuals, like Linda RTonstadt and Micheal Moore and Bon Jovi and Whoopi Goldberg....please save me your speaches.

Lets just take Moore for a second. How many have seen his movie? That isn't enough of a clue to possible make you think there is a large basis of Americans getting tired of the bullshit? :roll:

by **Tour of Duty** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 1:55 pm

yes, I don't really think there will be a war against North-Korea in the upcoming 5 years.
BUT, and I'm not really happy to say this, North Korea is much, much more dangerous than Iraq or Iran (Iraq wasn't that dangerous too in my opinion, but that's just a totally different subject and not important..anymore)!
I allmost certainly know/am convinced that North Korea is in posess of 1 or more Nuclear warheads, and not afraid to use it (especially with the government they now have..or actually allways had).
No...if you ask me...the future doesn't look really bright to me. Let's go to the moon shall we, I hope people can live there in harmony.
But to the Canadians who are angry about this thread:
In the links that was given, the reporter gave only facts about the opinions of the Canadians. The people on this forum discuss it with each other, not attented to make a laugh of you (well, I hope they don't).
As I said to the Americans in my previous post, means the same to the Canadians and all other people in the world: base your opinion of the things YOU see, and not what the newspaper says.

by **Sewer-Urchin** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:03 pm

Interesting post Tour..there are some good points there. As to the opinions of Canadian teenagers, I'm not too concerned. Just like in the US, some might be well informed, but the majority probably don't know enough to be taken seriously. I've spent the last two years teaching American teenagers and don't have a very high opinion of their grasp of world politics. If it's different in your school Evan, then good...encourage it. The rising generation in both countries needs a serious wake up call. What really scares me is that the 14 year olds I tought this year remember 9/11, watched it on TV, and still really don't care what happens outside of the Entertainment world.

As to Shockwaves comments about the absurdity of America's reaction to France...it's not absurd. I have no problem with the people of France, but to think for a minute that the government, esp. Chirac, is friendly to America is a mistake. France has repeatedly shown that they are willing to oppose America on just about anything we do overseas, even AIDS relief in Africa. It's going to be interesting to find out just how deep the ties between Mr. Chirac and Saddam go...but the people of France need to start asking some serious questions of their government. As always, just my $.02

by **shockwave203** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:04 pm

Originally posted by Evan
That's bullshit huh? I like how you can speak for American teenagers when you live in Canada. Isn't it funny how these things go?

amazing, the powers of the internet huh? This forum alone, there have been multiple people who have said that Iraq should just be nuked and forget about the whole damn thing.

I'm not 'speaking for american teenagers', I'm bringing up what has already been said on these forums. Theres a little button that is a wonderful tool, near the top of the page. It's called "SEARCH". I suggest you use it bucko.

You people want to critisize canadian teens for disliking the US, meanwhile your citizens mock the french every chance they get. You claim we're anti-american, yet a ton of you are anti-BROWN PEOPLE who are A-okay with nuking the entire middle east. Stop calling the kettle black and pointing fingers when people in your own country, not just canada, are saying and doing dishonorable things.

by **Sewer-Urchin** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:04 pm

Ed. note: Oh, and my post was meant to be read after Evan's last post.

by **JimmyTango** » Thu Jul 22, 2004 2:04 pm

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
And a quick FU you to JimmyT.

I am now firmly convinced you only see what you want when you read these posts and if you read something that doesn't agree with your pre-concieved notions it doesn't exist.

Go back and re-read . I have defended Canada, said its A-Ok with me that they do their own thing, and that I respect them more for it.

Lol. Yes, those posts where you say it is ok they make up their own minds, and that not supporting us is a good way to 'prevent being attacked by terrorists.' Heck, you even go so far to list off supporters of the War in Iraq and how citizens have been taken hostage, and no Canadians have been(which is a false statement).

Like maybe, just maybe, they feel Iraq is not a battle against terrorism, but Afganistan, which they still have troops in, is, and that they are not 'hiding to prevent terror attacks?'
:roll:

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