Guilty!!

by **Sir Loin** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 3:17 am

this guy is going to appeal....having 2 jurors kicked off the jury. I just hope he doesnt win the appeal.

by **LordShard** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:31 am

Soviet union had a very low crime rat. The sentance for just about everything was death. :o

Even stealing a loaf of bread you could be shot for. :o

by **JimmyTango** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:59 am

Originally posted by Bulldog
no doubt that most if not all murder would stop if we publicaly hung him

So the gas chamber, injection or the chair is not it, just hanging? All of a sudden murder would stop because we are now hanging them?

by **LordShard** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:11 pm

No, make the deaths painful! Show them on public TV, and broadcast them so people with anteenas can see them! THAT would stop crime. Scare the living shit out of everyone who has ever done anything illegal.

by **JimmyTango** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:16 pm

Originally posted by LordShard
Scare the living shit out of everyone who has ever done anything illegal.

Which would be everyone. So now noone is alive in the US. What is the next step after you have hanged everyone?

Originally posted by LordShard

No, make the deaths painful! Show them on public TV, and broadcast them so people with anteenas can see them! THAT would stop crime.

Painfull deathes? Against the law, anyone who perorms it is now subject to it since anyone who does anything illegal must now suffer.

BTW, is this the USA or USSR that you want to live in?

Also, hanging is not painful in the first place. It is quick. Your neck snaps right away, you do not strangle to death.

by **LordShard** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:28 pm

Originally posted by JimmyTango
Which would be everyone. So now noone is alive in the US. What is the next step after you have hanged everyone?

Painfull deathes? Against the law, anyone who perorms it is now subject to it since anyone who does anything illegal must now suffer.

BTW, is this the USA or USSR that you want to live in?

Also, hanging is not painful in the first place. It is quick. Your neck snaps right away, you do not strangle to death.

I was being sarcastic you tard. :roll:

Also, hanging is not painful in the first place. It is quick. Your neck snaps right away, you do not strangle to death.

Actually it is painful! THe bone breaks right away but that doesn't kill you. I've seen a real life movie of a man being hung where his neck didn't snap, he was squirming until they let him down.

And the people who's necks are snapped,right away, what makes you think the head is instant? I'm sure they suffocate or die from no blood to the brain over the course of a few minute (3 minutes of no blood before the brain dies)

by **Irish** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 4:34 pm

Originally posted by JimmyTango
Which would be everyone. So now noone is alive in the US. What is the next step after you have hanged everyone?

Painfull deathes? Against the law, anyone who perorms it is now subject to it since anyone who does anything illegal must now suffer.

BTW, is this the USA or USSR that you want to live in?

Also, hanging is not painful in the first place. It is quick. Your neck snaps right away, you do not strangle to death.

Well if you got a thick neck and it doesn't break your in for a long death. Just choke about for a few minutes.

As far as lethal injection and the chair it doesn't have the same hit points until we get to see it. You hear about beheadings but until you see one you have no idea what your in for.

Look at some of the muslim laws. Steal some bread or whatever and lose a hand. If we in the states started seeing one handed guys walking down main street you can bet we may think twice before stealing that Krimpet.

by **JimmyTango** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:33 pm

Originally posted by LordShard

Actually it is painful! THe bone breaks right away but that doesn't kill you. I've seen a real life movie of a man being hung where his neck didn't snap, he was squirming until they let him down.

And the people who's necks are snapped,right away, what makes you think the head is instant? I'm sure they suffocate or die from no blood to the brain over the course of a few minute (3 minutes of no blood before the brain dies)

No, it is not painful. What you saw was an improper hanging. With a proper noose and drop door, the death is instant. If set up improperly, you will strangle. Look it up yourself, it is instant. You are just used to the Hollywood version of hanging.

by **JimmyTango** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:36 pm

Originally posted by Irish

Look at some of the muslim laws. Steal some bread or whatever and lose a hand. If we in the states started seeing one handed guys walking down main street you can bet we may think twice before stealing that Krimpet.

Then move there and have fun with that life.

In case you missed it, the good ol' USA is supposed to be above this nonsense.

You want to live in a third world, move there. Hell, I will pay for your one way ticket. Be sure to write us how great it is to live in that form of a legal system, that is if you can find someone to help you out with that stump for a hand and all.

by **Irish** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:46 pm

First stop with "I'll pay for your ticket nonsense" My point is that until you smack someone in the face with consequences you'll continue to hear the same stuff being done over and over again. I'm looking for a deterrent (sp?) And I think a public execution would bring it home for the millions that haven't commited a crime that they will in the near future. If your going to fry someone for taking out a few grocery store clerks isn't it worth it overall to show it to the world if it would stop someone else from doing it?

by **LordShard** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:50 pm

Well china had a very bad drug problem, so they said, screw it, you get one chance, you get rehab, get caught again we kill you!

Drug problem over! (for the most part, as it is impossible to get rid of all drug use)

by **LordShard** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:52 pm

Originally posted by JimmyTango
No, it is not painful. What you saw was an improper hanging. With a proper noose and drop door, the death is instant. If set up improperly, you will strangle. Look it up yourself, it is instant. You are just used to the Hollywood version of hanging.

Since when is breaking the neck instant death? The body may be paralyzed and not able to move but the brain wouldn't die instantly, you would still see things around you for a few moments. you would definatly feel a crich in your neck until you do die!

by **JimmyTango** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:56 pm

Originally posted by LordShard
Since when is breaking the neck instant death? The body may be paralyzed and not able to move but the brain wouldn't die instantly, you would still see things around you for a few moments. you would definatly feel a crich in your neck until you do die!

Investigate it yourself instead of repeating what you think.

by **LordShard** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 6:59 pm

Originally posted by JimmyTango
Investigate it yourself instead of repeating what you think.

DEATH PENALTY WHEN LIFE GENERATES DEATH (LEGALLY) HANGING Survival time: 8-13 minutes After the hanging, the sentenced loses consciousness almost immediatelly; the death occurs by asphyxiation, because of a slipknot put around the neck and fixed to a support by the other end. The weight of the body, hanging in mid-air or inclined forward, rests on the slipknot, determines its closing and the compressing action on respiratory tract. The hanging leaves different signs, both inside and outside the body: the sentenced becomes cyanotic, the tongue hangs out, the eyes pop out of his head, there is a groove on the neck; there are also vertebral lesions and internal fractures.

http://library.thinkquest.org/23685/data/hanging.html?tqskip1=1

by **JimmyTango** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 7:01 pm

Originally posted by Irish
First stop with "I'll pay for your ticket nonsense" My point is that until you smack someone in the face with consequences you'll continue to hear the same stuff being done over and over again. I'm looking for a deterrent (sp?) And I think a public execution would bring it home for the millions that haven't commited a crime that they will in the near future. If your going to fry someone for taking out a few grocery store clerks isn't it worth it overall to show it to the world if it would stop someone else from doing it?

1) Executions have been shown before. In the US, and elsewhere.

2) You go by the assumption that if everyone saw an execution, all of a sudden they follow the letter of the law to a T. This has no basis of fact what-so-ever. This would be like me saying if they showed executions, Americans would rise up and revolt, burning the White House. In fact, you yourself have proved that it does NOT work. Cutting off hands for stealing? Then why the hell are these countries still filled with criminals still committing crimes? If seeing people with their hands cut off fixes criminals, why is thee still that same crime in those messed up counties?

Exactly, it doesn't work.

This country is formed on being BETTER than that, yet you are more than happy to jump back a few centuries?

Guilty!!

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