I can't afford my gasoline!

by **Ldsmith104** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 9:37 am

we don't have enough water as it is, not sure that a car that runs on water is such a good idea, maybe one that runs on garbage there seems to be a good supply of that

by **LordShard** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:11 am

I remember $0.80 a gallon.

by **Namloot** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:21 am

Pretty good

by **Bromsin** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:47 am

What bothers me the most is the oil companies stating high profit quarters.

Here we are paying huge amounts for gas and they are still making loads of money.. Something is not right there.

by **Rand0m** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:51 am

It takes a lot longer then you think to build new oil refineries. Not sure of the actual time length, but Im almost certain it is more then 10 years. There is a long process of getting accepted to build in new areas, among other things.

by **SavageParrot** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:52 am

Yeah so doing the maths it would be about $7-8 a gallon in the uk. You guys still have it easy...

by **Bromsin** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:54 am

I think what we need to start doing is more oil exploring/extraction development.

Not to mention develop underwater oil drilling in the gulf so everytime a hurricane somes it doesnt interrupt the flow.

by **cavalierlwt** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:29 pm

I don't want to be an a$$hole, I don't want people to suffer, but I'm rooting for the price of gas to go way way up. It's the only way that we are going to deal with the issue once and for all. In 1973 the Arabs put an oil embargo on us. They cut production sharply and raised prices 70%. BOOM! The US and economy sank to it's knees and stayed there. We had gas rationing--there were 'even' and 'odd' days to gas up, depending on your license plate number. Many stations were limited to 10 gallons per sale, many stations ran out of gas. Think these prices are bad? Imagine seeing every station in town with a sign saying 'No Gas Today'. Inflation, unemployment got out of control, things were bad for years! The embargo only lasted a year, but it crippled us. The govt launched a plan in 1975 to be free of foreign oil dependance in 20 years. After a few years, the price of oil started coming down, and one by one those programs were cancelled. Pretty soon, we'll have our back to the wall again, but this time there will be no relief to be found: China and India are transforming into industrial giants and they will soon use as much if not more oil than us. When that happens...well , you can do the math.
Time to deal with it is now. We don't have to live like hobbits, give up cars etc if we deal with now. The only way we'll deal with the oil issue, is if it hurts our wallet right now. So that's why I'm rooting for oil to double in price this year.

by **CreepingCharlie** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:40 pm

Im with you on that one cavalierlwt. We should start developing more fuel efficiant cars and alternative solutions to the growing need of petrol. Like improving on hybrid cars, maybe solar-pannel cars, and hydrogen cars.

by **PraiseA||ah** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:41 pm

I more or less agree with you cavalierlwt. Let the price go up. Let's get a President in office who isn't on the side of the energy corporations and maybe we'll see some change. Alternative is not a bad word. We need to seek alternative fuels with greater urgency than we are today. Unfortunately it takes a disaster or a war to push inovation sometimes. Now we as a nation are really in a bind and if another disaster happens while we have these two things (war and hurricane aftermath) to deal with, well... Let your imagination roam. I'm sure we'll be on rationing then. I for one will be very happy when all the SUVs are off the road. Ridiculously wasteful for 99% of the people who use them. I really don't have any sympathy at all for them paying a shitload in gas right now either. Good. Pay more please.

by **cavalierlwt** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:52 pm

I figure we have one last chance, about 20 years to get it done, then the shit hits the fan. Even China is pursuing an aggressive alt-energy plan parallel to their oil programs. The Japanese car makers are producing hybrids, and I just read that BMW is going to make a limited number of hybrids. The US car makers act like it's too hard, would take many years, yet other companies are just doing it.
If the average vehicle were getting 30+ MPG, that would go about 90% of the way to getting us off OPEC oil. That's is very possible--hell, I drive a regular car that get's over 30 MPG on the highway. If we go hydrogen, we'll need a huge boost in electrical power (that's how you make hydrogen), we will probably look at solar + nuclear. Nobody likes nuclear, but it can be done (France is 80% nuclear for it's electricity). Twenty years...it's a piece of cake if we get working on it. Don't wait for the one 'perfect' solution, just start implimenting a patchwork of solutions, and some of those technologies will blossom, have breakthroughs. Just think, If we had stuck with our program in 1975, we would have been done in 1995. Imagine our economy if we were energy independant!!

by **ShipWreck** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 2:58 pm

China and India are getting so industrial is because of us. IMO. Look how many foreign cars/trucks we sell here. And all of the foreign businesses buying american ones. Thing is we give billions and billions of dollars to other countries. Yet we have homeless people wall to wall. Makes sence right? Plus we have highschool graduates whom suffer when they try to find a college they can afford. Not all of us can go on scholarships. Gas here is $3.29 and it's only going to get worse rather than better. People have a hard enough time when they make minimun wage or a little higher.. to raise a family and keep a roof over their heads. I make a good living compared to alot of people whom live here, and i'm scrimping right now. And you want them to spend more to get to thier jobs? Specially when school is starting and kids need clothes and necessities? People have no choice than to pay.. yet the children will suffer. I just went out and spent $275.00 on clothes for my nieces for school because my sister makes a little more than minimum. And her husband is laid off. Problem is it isn't going to get better for americans if we dont start paying attention to our country rather than everyone elses. But I don't see that happening. Pretty soon its going to cost $10.00 to fill your riding lawnmower.

by **cavalierlwt** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:06 pm

These guys are interesting:
http://www.changingworldtech.com/index.asp

Changing World Technologies.
It's like a dream come true, they can convert offal (chicken guts, other organic matter) into oil. They can also do this with plastic, tires, and sewerage. It costs a little more than current oil sources, but then again, it does us a benefit of getting rid of waste materials. They have a plant in Carthage, MO next to the Butterball Turkey processing plant, and it's turning out small amounts of oil.
But, as you can imagine, they run into a wall. They were hoping for a fuel subsidy, but they found out that they (among all the different alt-fuel companies) are getting the subsidy cut off.
http://www.changingworldtech.com/information_center/press_releases.asp?id=21

Subsidies may seem like a bad idea, but remember you are already paying huge subsidies (in addition to huge prices) for your current supply of gas/oil. We spend billions in the Middle East in the form of Military actions,and we are spending more money in subsidies as part of the new Energy Bill. Isn't that sweet? Oil companies are having profitable years, but we have to give them some additional tax payer money!
I would rather spend that money on this new technology, kill two (or three) birds with one stone. Biodiesel is cool, Ethanol is cool...they're all worth kicking some money toward them.
How much anyone want to bet that this company, CWT goes overseas, maybe to China or India?

by **Gen. Ouch** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:06 pm

what gets me is that in the us the amount of suv's being sold is still as high as it was last year and the year before. up here in canada we have had our first hydrogen gas station for over a year. and every where you look you got honda and toyota hybrids. praiseallah has it dead on, it all has to do with the government agenda. the government up here is actually puting miney into reaserch into alternate fuel sorces, yet i don't see anything like that happening in the us. i see the big three putting out big V8 muscle cars and bigger and bigger SUV's. Ford has one hybrid vehicle and its a suv for god sake. honda and toyota have like 3 this year alone, i have a 82 toyota 4x4 pickup, and i have to fill it up every 3 weeks even when i drive it to school and back every day. and i spend maby 30 bucks canadian to fill it up. i'll be very supprised if a 3rd world war doesn't come about in the next 20-30 years, and you know what its going to be over..OIL!!!! my two cents.

Ouch

by **Bromsin** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:06 pm

Well wishing for the gas to go up and up and up isnt going to change the Presidency until 2008. So we should all pay HUGE amounts for gas until then?

That doesnt seem like a solution or even help anything.

Gas prices raising isnt going to help us get a better President. Its just going to hurt us, the consumers.

I can't afford my gasoline!

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