Impeach the Traitors

[bayotanzk Profile]

This one is way out there! Space. The final frontier.

[Xenius]

Originally posted by CommTHOR
And if you believe that, I have little doubt you'll already have this link in your favourites folder... http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

That's just sad.

[Doug the Unforgiven]

Originally posted by Kristov
Shall I continue to show how full of shit this theory is?

Would be nice, Kristov. But we know it won't matter to the "reality-challenged".

[Rule of Wrist]

You guys are just jealous! The voices told me so...

We'll see who has the last laugh when the world ends and we're all dead! I'll be laughing harder than anybody!

Now, if you'll excuse me, the nice gentlemen with white suits are poking me with their hurtsticks, which means I have to make water now.... bye!

[BloodBudda]

Originally posted by Kristov
Blood..just to poke a few simple holes in that little 'theory'...

The American military did NOT have permission to shoot down any domestic flight that was off course prior to 9/11, that was put into place AFTER the events. There have been plans in place in case a situation were to occur where terrorists had hijacked a jetliner and had WMD on it..but not for a simple hijacking. American policy is to try and NOT kill all the passangers on a hijacked plane that isn't carrying WMD.

NORAD, actually the National Command Authority, has a policy in place that ALL PLANES who have deviated from their original flight plan and/or fail to respond to air traffic controllers are to be intercepted, as evidenced by Payne Stewart 6 months before.

The order to intercept and shoot down would be given by the Joint Chiefs, specifically the Higest Raking Admiral of the Navy, since he is the only one with contstitutional authority.

The National Command Authority waited for 75 minutes before scrambling aircraft, even though it was known that four simultaneous hijackings had occurred.

However, in the wake of 9-11, this infdormation was conviently and sudedenly removed from thier site.

Plus the President was not notified for 45 minutes and Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco recieved a warning the night before. Refute that.

As for getting the IDs of the hijackers..that was actually easy. Passanger manifests give the names of every single person on the planes. Check those with known alias's of suspected terrorists or known sympathizers, then check the videos taken at the various airports and match faces..takes a few hours to get the IDs..which..oddly enough..is how long it took.

That would be easy, for the FBI was ORDERED by the president to NOT investigate ANY al Quadea in America. This is proven fact. Go look it up yourself. The FBI knew who perpetrated these acts, but were ordered to leave them alone.

The Bush Administration orders the FBI and intelligence agencies to "back off" investigations involving the bin Laden family, including two of Osama bin Laden's relatives (Abdullah and Omar) who were living in Falls Church, Va. -- right next to CIA headquarters. This followed previous orders dating back to 1996 that frustrated efforts to investigate the bin Laden family. [Source: BBC Newsnight, Correspondent Gregg Palast, Nov. 7, 2001]

The IDs are meaningless, the airlines do not keep photocopies of the IDs when compared to the manifest, nor compare them to some list of know terrorist (at least at the time they didn't). All you have to do is get on any airplane to find this out. The video form the airport, I'll give you that.

As for the rubble that the theory claims was not investigated....man what a bs line. There was a huge place in New Jersey where they took all that rubble and combed through it ALL by hand. Most of the identifications of people who died in the Towers was based on the minute pieces of human remains found in this manner, via the DNA matching process.

Granted, the rubble was taken to New Jersy, what other place in America do Crime Syndicates dispose of critical evidence? I am not diputing the DNA evidence, but you fail to discuss any metalurgy tests, structural testing, or other BUILDING RELATED tests or investigations that supposedly took place. And if they did take place, where are the results? Where was the celebration of supposedly capturing the "mastermind" of 9-11 during Bush's State of the Union address, he gets mentioned only once, with no fan fare? Afterall, we CAPTURED the MASTERMIND behind 9-11. Even though reports show that he may have actually died some 3 weeks prior in Afghanastan.

Where is the investigation now? Why has the evidence been sold to scrap dealers OUTSIDE the US? Why the rush?

Shall I continue to show how full of shit this theory is?

I think you should actually look at the evidence NOT presented by GE (owners of NBC, MSNBC, and CBC) and the rest of the CIA controlled press.

What about this fact:

Employees of Odigo, Inc. in Israel, one of the world's largest instant messaging companies with offices in New York, receive threat warnings of an imminent attack on the WTC less than two hours before the first plane hits. [source: CNN's Daniel Sieberg, Sept. 28, 2001; MSNBC Newsbytes, Brian McWilliams, Sept. 27, 2001; Ha'aretz, Sept. 26, 2001]

and this:
According to Newsweek, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly cancelled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns. [Source: Newsweek, Sept. 24, 2001]

or how about:
Florida Governor Jeb Bush signs a two-year emergency executive order (01-261) making new provisions for the Florida National Guard to assist law enforcement and emergency-management personnel in the event of large civil disturbances, disaster or acts of terrorism. [Source: State of Florida website listing of Governor's executive orders] This order was signed 2 days prior to 9-11.

The sad fact is that you, like most of Americans, are in complete denial that your "protectors" could allow these events to happen, much less provide assistance.

The saddest fact is that many more HUMAN FUCKING BEINGS will die to cover up these crimes of treason and treachery.

But hey, it doesn't matter as long as we get that son-of-a-bitch Saddam. Afterall, "He tried to kill my daddy" - Presidunce Bush.

[Lord ZOG Profile]

Originally posted by S.S. Lord ZOG
BloodBudda, please ask your doctor to increase your dosage...you are truly demented and in need of potent medication.

I just thought a re-iteration of my original thought might press home the fact that Blood Budda is in serious need of medical attention.

[Doug the Unforgiven]

Originally posted by S.S. Lord ZOG
I just thought a re-iteration of my original thought might press home the fact that Blood Budda is in serious need of medical attention.

Agreed. Have you seen his desparation? He's started individual threads to try to get across his alleged "point". Hopefully no one will even respond.

Maybe from this night I can thank him for teaching me the values of such things, such as the "ignore" function of this forum.

[BloodBudda]

Few people are raising questions about the obviously false statements we have been told about 9/11? Why did it take 28 minutes for flight controllers to notify NORAD two planes had been hijacked when the average time to do so in such a case is 3 minutes? Why were fighters scrambled from a base 180 miles away when seven other bases had fighter jets ready that could have done the job in a fraction of the time? Why was FEMA in New York the night before the crashes? Why did those fires at the base of the towers burn for 100 days? Why did Bush read a book for a half hour when he knew two planes had hit and two more were hijacked? Why was the bin Ladin family flown out of the country when all flights were grounded? Why did the FBI chief say we had no warning this was coming and everybody else in the FBI say we had plenty of warning? Who did make the billions of dollars from all those put options on two airlines the day before the attacks? These are only a fraction of the question the government continues to cover up, as several billions of people know.

Answer those questions and shut me up. Until then, deal.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Here's a fun website for everyone. I'm sure BloodBudda has answers for it all, but I thought you others might find it enlightening.

http://www.politicalhobbyist.com/debunked/

[BloodBudda]

Nice one...maybe you should actually post some sites that actually try to debunk.

[Lord ZOG Profile]

Blood- trying to dissuade mentally ill people from their rantings is a useless and fruitless effort. We could tell you the world is not flat and you'd concoct some whacky theory proving otherwise.

The problem is in your head. Logic does not register in your mind, facts hold no meaning, the truth is rendered into meaningless gibberish after your drug-fermented brain processes the data.

You are hopelessly trapped in dementia. Do you hear voices in your head all the time? Do you have imaginary friends (if so, are any hot females???:P). Do you wake up at night sweaty and shaking? Do you have any excessive-compulsive behavior (other than proving to the world your stupidity)?

Seriously Blood, consider the fact that most mentally ill people continually deny they are mentally ill until after their treatment.

Apparently Europe has some rather large cracks that fools like BloodBudda slip through on a daily basis.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Blood, your ramblings have inspired me. I have looked into a few of your beliefs, and will try to summarize a few of them below. Please fill me in on anything I've missed on these two subjects so that I can try to explain all of the problems with your take on these issues.

First, you are convinced that you are not a United States citizen based on some contrived reading of the 10th Amendment. You also believe, based on statements in the Congressional Record from a Louisiana senator named Rarick, that the 14th Amendment is not really part of the Constitution, and that it therefore does not make you a citizen even though you likely were "born in the United States." You then look at the tax code and IRS publications which say that the tax code applies to "U.S. citizens, " and conclude that since you are not a U.S. citizen, the tax does not apply to you.

You also believe, that the U.S. Supreme Court eliminated the common law in Erie R.R. v. Tompkins (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=304&invol=64). From here, you have concluded that the Constitution no longer applies in the courts. (And, though I don't think that you got into it, we are able to tell that a court is one where the Constitution doesn't apply because it will display a flag with a gold fringe around it.) I'm really not sure how you think the UCC gets involved in this, but you are convinced that it is now the only source of law the courts respect.

[El Cid]

I dont know what the hell to make of you BloodBudda. I respect that your posts take alot of time, that you dont flame at the people that call you names, and also that you shared with me the Farewell Address which I quoted on isolationist tendencies in another thread.

But what are you trying to do man? Your theories are KARAAZY??? You cant seriously believe that, so stop bulshitting people. This WTC thing killed alot of fricking people, I know because people all around me died, and I spoke to a few wives of Firefighters that died in the WTC. And I know that terrorists did that, so stop playing around like the fricking issue is up for debate, otherwise your going to offend people.

[BloodBudda]

And you got this from my postings? Or you went out to bring in some patriot mythology to try and discredit? Either way, I got you to think.

The UCC is a commercial code, not applicable to your private life only commercial (puplic) life. However, you, as a private citizen, have remedy under this code when dealing with corporate entities. This is fact.

When you enter a court of law, since it is not our desiginated government due to the Bankruptcy of 1933, the Civil War, and a banking act of 1871, you enter as a commercial entity for that is the only way the court will recognize you. If you enter pro per, in one's own proper person, the court can not recognize you. Ask an attorney or better yet a judge on the issue of pro per vs attorney present (which by they way makes you legally incopentent to defend yourself) A judge at law is just there to enforce a contract that is place.

The only thing I ever said about the Income Tax is that it relys on "voluntary compliance", however it is unconstitutional. For no matter how you slice it. once you sign the paper, you have entered into a contract in which you agree that everything you provide is done under penalty of perjury. in other words you sign away your 4th and 5th Amendment Rights. The government can not "ask" you to give these rights away.

The quotes were from Dwight E. Avis, former head of the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division of the IRS and T. Coleman Andrews, Former Commissioner of IRS.

I would like to see this quote from Rarick. I do not recall ever making any arguement over the validity of the 14th Amendment.

The only thing I ever said is that the 14th Amendment made us corporate citizens of a corporate state as well as citizens of our Soverign State, thus dual citizenship. In a sense it made everyone slaves, in their corporate capacity.

Information on the flag situation is found here:
Title 4 USC (United States Code)
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/4/
I personally do not subscribe to that theory.


The 10th Amendment states:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

What part of that do you not understand. It says what it says.



El Cid, it never occured to you that you and all of those wives we being lied to? Talk to the firefighters who actually were on the scene. Or better yet find the ones that booed Hilary Clinton off the stage. Or the ones that told Billy Boy to not even step foot in lower Manhattan. or the 911 operators. or the dispatchers. Ask the police of that precint why the FBI leason suddenly packed up and left. Look into the facts before you lambaste me. Prove me wrong. I, you, and those grieving widows still do not know the truth. This smacks of cover-up and I see it. Yes I am angry that those buildings fell and those poor people were murdered. But is it right to lash out at some unknown in vengence, blinded by rage? Two wrongs don't make a right. It will not bring those souls back.

Don't get defensive. It was a tragedy and my heart goes out to those who lost loved ones, but are we going after the criminals or fighting some hidden, preplaned objective?
Can you answer that with objectivity and reason? or will emotion guide your hand and heart, leading down a path we don't want to venture?

[Kristov Profile ICQ]

Ya know..there's one really little problem with all yer theories Blood...

Al Queda claimed the acts.

Nuff said