Re: College Question
Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:46 pm
Since Skilo has posted, roughly a week ago, I have thoroughly researched Umass Amherst. I thought I'd share my research with you guys that I posted on another site if anyone is interested.
"One thing that I've found interesting in my search for the right college was the stats of Bentley vs. UMass Amherst. After looking over all the stats and info I could find I've come to realize that UMass Amherst is a better fit for me and shockingly a better school in general. Let's look at the facts from BusinessWeek;
Students-
Amherst: 3073 Bentley: 3810
conclusion: Amherst has a smaller student body at their business school
Career-
number who reported info to BusinessWeek
Amherst: 55% Bentley: 64%
Salary-
mean
Amherst: 47,065 Bentley: 47,982
median
Amherst: 50,000 Bentley: 47,500
As an accounting major I am strictly looking at Big 4 stats. And since Bentley has a main focus of accounting it seems fit to focus on those stats.
Total number hired at Big 4-
Amherst: 86 Bentley: 79
Important things to consider-
1. Actual student size of Amherst and Bentley may be larger or smaller as both schools sites have differing stats on total enrollment for business than that reported from BusinessWeek. Regardless, stats on student enrollment are fairly accurate from BW.
2. Percent of students who reported to BW was smaller at Amherst, yet they had more recruits to the Big 4.
3. Student size as ISOM at Amherst is smaller than that of the student size at Bentley pursuing business. Which also shows that despite the smaller size and smaller amount of students reporting their stats, Amherst sent more students to the big 4.
Conclusion-
Amherst on paper sends more to Big 4 with higher salaries than that of Bentley. Amherst actually has a smaller business student body than that of Bentley. Amherst has a larger total student body for the University giving it more diversity and different activities on campus.
The key factor-
Amherst: 19k/year (roughly)
Bentley: 43k/year (roughly)
I'm not saying Bentley is a bad school. I may probably still apply. But I found it interesting that a school that costs nearly double the price of a public school is outperformed by that public school in the accounting field. Another important thing to consider is that Amherst has an alumni base much larger than Bentley.
Something I found interesting on another site about accounting was this.
Bentley had 442 students in accounting, which consisted of accounting, accounting and related services, and taxation. Amherst had 186 in total for accounting, no category for taxation or accounting and related services.
So if both data is accurate we can compare that out off 442 students at Bentley only 79 get Big 4 accounting jobs. Amherst had 86 out of 186 students get in.
Just something I considered when deciding where to apply."
Reply to my post: "i wonder where you got your stats"
"BusinessWeek, stateuniversity.com, and the school's websites themselves. Stateuniversity figures seem fairly accurate because the totals for all graduating seniors in all majors are equal to what they should be vs. the total school population for both schools. Amherst was at a little over 5k and Bentley was at around 1,500. I've been looking at colleges for a year and a half now. Amherst had never crossed my mind for the entire time I had been searching and I had ruled it out from the start. Not til last week did I thoroughly research the school. The results I found were shocking as you can see. I don't have any intentions to slam Bentley or anything like that because it's a good school but the stats speak for themselves.
The one figure I have a hard time forming a conclusion from is the percentage of students who did not report their info upon graduation to BW. Either they got job offers they were embarrassed about or just didn't bother giving the results. Regardless, more reported to BW from Bentley but had fewer kids at the B4 along with a larger student body. For all the talk and rankings Bentley puts up, the numbers should simply be higher but they aren't and those are facts. Now the percentage of students that don't report could very well have landed jobs at the B4 also. This would only increase Amherts number of students sent there figuring in the ratio of more students sent vs. Bentley and make the numbers even more staggering. Even if we went with this conclusion that those who didn't report to BW sent students to B4 Amherst and Bentley would have larger numbers but due to the higher ratio from Amherst it would stagger those of Bentley. Frankly, at this point ISOM is at the top of my list. It's also a fairly hard school to get into. Freshmen admitted to ISOM need a 3.5 in high school and also need to do well in predictor courses at Amherst.
If you want to test my results go right ahead. BW just updated their rankings for 2008 about a month ago so those should be dead on. And stateuniversities numbers are in line with the total number of graduating seniors vs. total school size.
Those numbers at the bottom of my post; Bentley 442 for accounting and Amherst 186 are the totals of graduating seniors.
Sorry if you are having a hard time following, I have the thoughts and ideas in my head just a hard time conveying them in writing."
"One thing that I've found interesting in my search for the right college was the stats of Bentley vs. UMass Amherst. After looking over all the stats and info I could find I've come to realize that UMass Amherst is a better fit for me and shockingly a better school in general. Let's look at the facts from BusinessWeek;
Students-
Amherst: 3073 Bentley: 3810
conclusion: Amherst has a smaller student body at their business school
Career-
number who reported info to BusinessWeek
Amherst: 55% Bentley: 64%
Salary-
mean
Amherst: 47,065 Bentley: 47,982
median
Amherst: 50,000 Bentley: 47,500
As an accounting major I am strictly looking at Big 4 stats. And since Bentley has a main focus of accounting it seems fit to focus on those stats.
Total number hired at Big 4-
Amherst: 86 Bentley: 79
Important things to consider-
1. Actual student size of Amherst and Bentley may be larger or smaller as both schools sites have differing stats on total enrollment for business than that reported from BusinessWeek. Regardless, stats on student enrollment are fairly accurate from BW.
2. Percent of students who reported to BW was smaller at Amherst, yet they had more recruits to the Big 4.
3. Student size as ISOM at Amherst is smaller than that of the student size at Bentley pursuing business. Which also shows that despite the smaller size and smaller amount of students reporting their stats, Amherst sent more students to the big 4.
Conclusion-
Amherst on paper sends more to Big 4 with higher salaries than that of Bentley. Amherst actually has a smaller business student body than that of Bentley. Amherst has a larger total student body for the University giving it more diversity and different activities on campus.
The key factor-
Amherst: 19k/year (roughly)
Bentley: 43k/year (roughly)
I'm not saying Bentley is a bad school. I may probably still apply. But I found it interesting that a school that costs nearly double the price of a public school is outperformed by that public school in the accounting field. Another important thing to consider is that Amherst has an alumni base much larger than Bentley.
Something I found interesting on another site about accounting was this.
Bentley had 442 students in accounting, which consisted of accounting, accounting and related services, and taxation. Amherst had 186 in total for accounting, no category for taxation or accounting and related services.
So if both data is accurate we can compare that out off 442 students at Bentley only 79 get Big 4 accounting jobs. Amherst had 86 out of 186 students get in.
Just something I considered when deciding where to apply."
Reply to my post: "i wonder where you got your stats"
"BusinessWeek, stateuniversity.com, and the school's websites themselves. Stateuniversity figures seem fairly accurate because the totals for all graduating seniors in all majors are equal to what they should be vs. the total school population for both schools. Amherst was at a little over 5k and Bentley was at around 1,500. I've been looking at colleges for a year and a half now. Amherst had never crossed my mind for the entire time I had been searching and I had ruled it out from the start. Not til last week did I thoroughly research the school. The results I found were shocking as you can see. I don't have any intentions to slam Bentley or anything like that because it's a good school but the stats speak for themselves.
The one figure I have a hard time forming a conclusion from is the percentage of students who did not report their info upon graduation to BW. Either they got job offers they were embarrassed about or just didn't bother giving the results. Regardless, more reported to BW from Bentley but had fewer kids at the B4 along with a larger student body. For all the talk and rankings Bentley puts up, the numbers should simply be higher but they aren't and those are facts. Now the percentage of students that don't report could very well have landed jobs at the B4 also. This would only increase Amherts number of students sent there figuring in the ratio of more students sent vs. Bentley and make the numbers even more staggering. Even if we went with this conclusion that those who didn't report to BW sent students to B4 Amherst and Bentley would have larger numbers but due to the higher ratio from Amherst it would stagger those of Bentley. Frankly, at this point ISOM is at the top of my list. It's also a fairly hard school to get into. Freshmen admitted to ISOM need a 3.5 in high school and also need to do well in predictor courses at Amherst.
If you want to test my results go right ahead. BW just updated their rankings for 2008 about a month ago so those should be dead on. And stateuniversities numbers are in line with the total number of graduating seniors vs. total school size.
Those numbers at the bottom of my post; Bentley 442 for accounting and Amherst 186 are the totals of graduating seniors.
Sorry if you are having a hard time following, I have the thoughts and ideas in my head just a hard time conveying them in writing."
Re: College Question
Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:11 am
Here at IU they have an undergraduate business school and I think its like one of the top undergraduate schools in the nation. Kelley School of Business if you want to do your research. And IU's got a lot of culture, diversity, hippies, potheads, yada-yada-yada for your taste. And hot chicks.
Re: College Question
Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:49 pm
good job doing your homework good luck!!
.. pffttt back in my day we had to call or look in books.
.. pffttt back in my day we had to call or look in books.
Re: College Question
Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:44 pm
gowhitesox99 wrote:good job doing your homework good luck!!
Haha. Thanks, I guess. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think colleges were as business-like back then as they are today. Don't get me wrong, they were businesses then and still are today, just more so now than ever. I feel that's why so much information is available on them and well, the internet only makes it more accessible. Too many options to choose from if you ask me, haha. The minute I got to high school every single one of my teachers preached about getting a college education yet the number of people who have college degrees isn't anything striking or profound. Regardless I want to be there and the best way to make sure my experience will be enjoyable during and after is to do my homework prior to applying.
Killer Mike, I'm pretty set in wanting to go to school in my home state for varius reasons. Thanks for the suggestion though. What are you majoring in?
Oh, I also contacted the school the other day via EMAIL (lol) for numbers to back up my findings. 186 seniors DO graduate with accounting degrees and 86 of them went on to Big 4 firms. Pretty damn good ratio if you ask me.
Re: College Question
Fri Oct 10, 2008 1:09 am
He's here now. I could never get into that program. Those kids are fucking smart!
GO UMASS!
GO UMASS!
Re: College Question
Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:34 am
haha I'm not even majoring in business anymore. I thought I was bad looking up those numbers. I met some Isenburg students who are way worse than that haha. I sent you an email at your umass account.