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by Dutchy (nl) » Fri Oct 03, 2003 3:40 pm
And here is something about a Brown Recluse spider:
Ohio State University Extension Fact Sheet
Entomology
1991 Kenny Road, Columbus, OH 43210-1000
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Brown Recluse Spider
HYG-2061-97
William F. Lyon
Common Name Scientific Name
Brown Recluse Spider Loxosceles reclusa Gertsch & Malaik
Brown Spider Loxosceles rufescens DuFour
The brown recluse spider is not common in Ohio. It is found mainly in the southern and Midwestern states especially Arkansas, Oklahoma and Missouri. To date, infested Ohio counties have had a history where this spider probably hitchhiked (shipped) into the home in furniture, appliances, storage cartons, boxes, old clothes and other household goods. The brown recluse spider is not aggressive. Most bitten people have directly contacted the spider when putting on clothing or shoes not used for long periods of time. They usually occur in houses on the floor or behind furniture (undisturbed areas).
Some have been bitten after sleeping in an unused bed after rolling over onto the spider or others after accidentally touching the spider when cleaning out undisturbed storage areas. Fatalities are rare, but bites are most dangerous to children, elderly and those in poor physical condition.
Identification (Click here for a large color photo)
Adult brown recluse spiders are soft-bodied, yellowish-tan to dark brown, about 1/4 to 1/2 inch long and have long, delicate grayish to dark brown legs covered with short, dark hairs. The leg span is about the size of a half dollar. Distinguishing characteristics are the presence of three pairs of eyes arranged in a semicircle on the forepart of the head and a violin-shaped, dark marking immediately behind the semicircle of eyes with the neck of the violin pointing towards the bulbous abdomen.
The eight legs and violin marking appear on the flattened-like cephalothorax (combined area of the head and thorax). Both the male and female brown recluse spiders are similar in appearance and equally toxic. The immature stages closely resemble the adults except for size and a slightly lighter color.
Life Cycle and Habits
These spiders spin small, loose, white to off-white webs with irregular strands. The female lays eggs from May through August in off-white silken cases (sacs) about 1/3-inch in diameter. Sacs containing 40 or more eggs each are found hung in the web, overwinter in sheltered, dark areas and are guarded by the female until her death. Each female may lay as many as 300 eggs during her lifetime. Spiderlings emerge in 24 to 36 days leaving the egg case with slow development (10 to 12 months), and are influenced by weather conditions and food availability. Spiders can survive long periods of time without food or water and may live as long as two years.
This spider is most active at night when it comes out in search of food consisting of cockroaches and other small insects. During the day, time is spent in quiet, undisturbed places such as bathrooms, bedrooms, closets, basements and cellars. The spiders sometimes take shelter under furniture, appliances and carpets, behind baseboards and door facings, or in corners and crevices. Some have been found in stored clothing, old shoes, on the undersides of tables and chairs, and in folded bedding and undisturbed towels stored for long periods of time. Outdoors, the spider may be found in sheltered corners among debris, in wood piles, under loose bark and stones, in old barns, storage sheds and garages. These spiders are very adaptable and may be active in temperatures ranging from 45 to 110 deg F.
Bite Symptoms
The severity of a person's reaction to the bite depends on the amount of venom injected and individual sensitivity to it. Bite effects may be nothing at all, immediate or delayed. Some may not be aware of the bite for 2 to 8 hours, whereas others feel a stinging sensation usually followed by intense pain if there is a severe reaction. A small white blister usually rises at the bite site surrounded by a large congested and swollen area. Within 24 to 36 hours, a systemic reaction may occur with the victim characterized by restlessness, fever, chills, nausea, weakness and joint pain. The affected area enlarges, becomes inflamed and the tissue is hard to the touch. The spider's venom contains an enzyme that destroys cell membranes in the wound area with affected tissue gradually sloughing away, exposing underlying tissues. Within 24 hours, the bite site can erupt into a "volcano lesion" (a hole in the flesh due to damaged, gangrenous tissue).
The open wound may range from the size of an adult's thumbnail to the span of a hand. The sunken, ulcerating sore may heal slowly up to 6 to 8 weeks. Full recovery may take several months and scarring may remain. Plastic surgery and skin grafts are sometimes required.
First Aid
If bitten, remain calm, collect the spider, if possible, for positive identification and get medical attention immediately (contact your physician, hospital and/or Poison Information Center). Apply antiseptic solution to prevent infection and ice packs to relieve local swelling and pain directly to the bite area.
An effective antivenom is not generally available. The physician will usually administer high doses of cortisone-type hormones to combat hemolysis and other systemic complications. A report suggests that treatment with dapsone (a drug used mainly for leprosy) may reduce the degree of tissue damage.
Control Measures
The brown recluse spider is not aggressive and normally bites only when crushed, handled or disturbed. It is aptly named since it is a reclusive creature seeking and preferring seclusion.
Prevention
Shake out clothing and shoes before dressing, and inspect bedding and towels before using. People are most often bitten when putting on clothing that has hung undisturbed or shoes seldom worn, into which a spider has moved. Do not go barefoot or handle firewood without gloves.
Remove trash, old boxes, piles of lumber, old clothing and other unwanted items. Eliminate cluttered areas in basements, closets, attics and other outbuildings.
Dust and vacuum thoroughly and more frequently around windows, corners in rooms, under furniture, in storage areas and normally undisturbed places to eliminate spiders, webs and egg sacs. Use a dust mop, broom and dust pan, if needed.
Install screens on doors and windows to prevent entry. Seal or caulk cracks and crevices where spiders can enter the house. Wash off the outside of the house and roof eves.
Insecticides
Adult spiders spend little time in direct contact with surfaces. Instead, they are found in or on webbing. Thorough applications of fine particles of insecticides such as ULV, aerosols or fogs contact spiders in their webs causing quicker population reduction.
Use space sprays of pyrethrins or resmethrin for useful clean outs, especially attics and crawl spaces.
Thoroughly treat cracks and crevices of decorative molding, window and door trim and undersides of tables, chairs and shelves with residual pesticides. Use Diazinon, or propoxur (Baygon) as a long-lasting residual treatment.
Outdoors, spray around the perimeter of buildings using formulations that will not damage plants. Treat under eaves, patios and decks if the house is of pier and beam construction. Baygon, Diazinon and permethrin are frequently used.
There are many other labeled pesticides for spider control. Some are labeled for homeowner use, while others are labeled only for the licensed, certified, pesticide applicator or pest control operator. Homeowners can use amorphous silica gel (Drione, Tri-Die), some formulations of bendiocarb (Ficam), chlorpyrifos (Dursban), and permethrin (Astro, Dragnet, Flee, Prelude, Torpedo); diazinon, esfenvalerate (Conquer), propoxur (Baygon), pyrethrin (Exciter, Kicker, Microcare, Pyrethrum, Safer, Synerold, Uld, X-Clude) plus resmethrin (Vectrin). In addition, the licensed pesticide applicator can use bendiocarb + pyrethrins (Ficam Plus), clyfluthrin (Optem, Tempo), cypermethrin (Cyper-Active, Cynoff, Demon, Vikor), deltamethrin (Delta Dust, Suspend), lambdacyhalothrin (Commodore), propetamphos (Safrotin) and tralmoethrin (Saga).
Before using any pesticide, always read the label and follow directions and safety precautions.
This publication contains pesticide recommendations that are subject to change at any time. These recommendations are provided only as a guide. It is always the pesticide applicator's responsibility, by law, to read and follow all current label directions for the specific pesticide being used. Due to constantly changing labels and product registration, some of the recommendations given in this writing may no longer be legal by the time you read them. If any information in these recommendations disagrees with the label, the recommendation must be disregarded. No endorsement is intended for products mentioned, nor is criticism meant for products not mentioned. The author, The Ohio State University and Ohio State University Extension assume no liability resulting from the use of these recommendations.
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Ohio State University Extension Fact Sheet
Entomology
1991 Kenny Road, Columbus, OH 43210-1000
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Brown Recluse Spider
HYG-2061-97
William F. Lyon
Common Name Scientific Name
Brown Recluse Spider Loxosceles reclusa Gertsch & Malaik
Brown Spider Loxosceles rufescens DuFour
The brown recluse spider is not common in Ohio. It is found mainly in the southern and Midwestern states especially Arkansas, Oklahoma and Missouri. To date, infested Ohio counties have had a history where this spider probably hitchhiked (shipped) into the home in furniture, appliances, storage cartons, boxes, old clothes and other household goods. The brown recluse spider is not aggressive. Most bitten people have directly contacted the spider when putting on clothing or shoes not used for long periods of time. They usually occur in houses on the floor or behind furniture (undisturbed areas).
Some have been bitten after sleeping in an unused bed after rolling over onto the spider or others after accidentally touching the spider when cleaning out undisturbed storage areas. Fatalities are rare, but bites are most dangerous to children, elderly and those in poor physical condition.
Identification (Click here for a large color photo)
Adult brown recluse spiders are soft-bodied, yellowish-tan to dark brown, about 1/4 to 1/2 inch long and have long, delicate grayish to dark brown legs covered with short, dark hairs. The leg span is about the size of a half dollar. Distinguishing characteristics are the presence of three pairs of eyes arranged in a semicircle on the forepart of the head and a violin-shaped, dark marking immediately behind the semicircle of eyes with the neck of the violin pointing towards the bulbous abdomen.
The eight legs and violin marking appear on the flattened-like cephalothorax (combined area of the head and thorax). Both the male and female brown recluse spiders are similar in appearance and equally toxic. The immature stages closely resemble the adults except for size and a slightly lighter color.
Life Cycle and Habits
These spiders spin small, loose, white to off-white webs with irregular strands. The female lays eggs from May through August in off-white silken cases (sacs) about 1/3-inch in diameter. Sacs containing 40 or more eggs each are found hung in the web, overwinter in sheltered, dark areas and are guarded by the female until her death. Each female may lay as many as 300 eggs during her lifetime. Spiderlings emerge in 24 to 36 days leaving the egg case with slow development (10 to 12 months), and are influenced by weather conditions and food availability. Spiders can survive long periods of time without food or water and may live as long as two years.
This spider is most active at night when it comes out in search of food consisting of cockroaches and other small insects. During the day, time is spent in quiet, undisturbed places such as bathrooms, bedrooms, closets, basements and cellars. The spiders sometimes take shelter under furniture, appliances and carpets, behind baseboards and door facings, or in corners and crevices. Some have been found in stored clothing, old shoes, on the undersides of tables and chairs, and in folded bedding and undisturbed towels stored for long periods of time. Outdoors, the spider may be found in sheltered corners among debris, in wood piles, under loose bark and stones, in old barns, storage sheds and garages. These spiders are very adaptable and may be active in temperatures ranging from 45 to 110 deg F.
Bite Symptoms
The severity of a person's reaction to the bite depends on the amount of venom injected and individual sensitivity to it. Bite effects may be nothing at all, immediate or delayed. Some may not be aware of the bite for 2 to 8 hours, whereas others feel a stinging sensation usually followed by intense pain if there is a severe reaction. A small white blister usually rises at the bite site surrounded by a large congested and swollen area. Within 24 to 36 hours, a systemic reaction may occur with the victim characterized by restlessness, fever, chills, nausea, weakness and joint pain. The affected area enlarges, becomes inflamed and the tissue is hard to the touch. The spider's venom contains an enzyme that destroys cell membranes in the wound area with affected tissue gradually sloughing away, exposing underlying tissues. Within 24 hours, the bite site can erupt into a "volcano lesion" (a hole in the flesh due to damaged, gangrenous tissue).
The open wound may range from the size of an adult's thumbnail to the span of a hand. The sunken, ulcerating sore may heal slowly up to 6 to 8 weeks. Full recovery may take several months and scarring may remain. Plastic surgery and skin grafts are sometimes required.
First Aid
If bitten, remain calm, collect the spider, if possible, for positive identification and get medical attention immediately (contact your physician, hospital and/or Poison Information Center). Apply antiseptic solution to prevent infection and ice packs to relieve local swelling and pain directly to the bite area.
An effective antivenom is not generally available. The physician will usually administer high doses of cortisone-type hormones to combat hemolysis and other systemic complications. A report suggests that treatment with dapsone (a drug used mainly for leprosy) may reduce the degree of tissue damage.
Control Measures
The brown recluse spider is not aggressive and normally bites only when crushed, handled or disturbed. It is aptly named since it is a reclusive creature seeking and preferring seclusion.
Prevention
Shake out clothing and shoes before dressing, and inspect bedding and towels before using. People are most often bitten when putting on clothing that has hung undisturbed or shoes seldom worn, into which a spider has moved. Do not go barefoot or handle firewood without gloves.
Remove trash, old boxes, piles of lumber, old clothing and other unwanted items. Eliminate cluttered areas in basements, closets, attics and other outbuildings.
Dust and vacuum thoroughly and more frequently around windows, corners in rooms, under furniture, in storage areas and normally undisturbed places to eliminate spiders, webs and egg sacs. Use a dust mop, broom and dust pan, if needed.
Install screens on doors and windows to prevent entry. Seal or caulk cracks and crevices where spiders can enter the house. Wash off the outside of the house and roof eves.
Insecticides
Adult spiders spend little time in direct contact with surfaces. Instead, they are found in or on webbing. Thorough applications of fine particles of insecticides such as ULV, aerosols or fogs contact spiders in their webs causing quicker population reduction.
Use space sprays of pyrethrins or resmethrin for useful clean outs, especially attics and crawl spaces.
Thoroughly treat cracks and crevices of decorative molding, window and door trim and undersides of tables, chairs and shelves with residual pesticides. Use Diazinon, or propoxur (Baygon) as a long-lasting residual treatment.
Outdoors, spray around the perimeter of buildings using formulations that will not damage plants. Treat under eaves, patios and decks if the house is of pier and beam construction. Baygon, Diazinon and permethrin are frequently used.
There are many other labeled pesticides for spider control. Some are labeled for homeowner use, while others are labeled only for the licensed, certified, pesticide applicator or pest control operator. Homeowners can use amorphous silica gel (Drione, Tri-Die), some formulations of bendiocarb (Ficam), chlorpyrifos (Dursban), and permethrin (Astro, Dragnet, Flee, Prelude, Torpedo); diazinon, esfenvalerate (Conquer), propoxur (Baygon), pyrethrin (Exciter, Kicker, Microcare, Pyrethrum, Safer, Synerold, Uld, X-Clude) plus resmethrin (Vectrin). In addition, the licensed pesticide applicator can use bendiocarb + pyrethrins (Ficam Plus), clyfluthrin (Optem, Tempo), cypermethrin (Cyper-Active, Cynoff, Demon, Vikor), deltamethrin (Delta Dust, Suspend), lambdacyhalothrin (Commodore), propetamphos (Safrotin) and tralmoethrin (Saga).
Before using any pesticide, always read the label and follow directions and safety precautions.
This publication contains pesticide recommendations that are subject to change at any time. These recommendations are provided only as a guide. It is always the pesticide applicator's responsibility, by law, to read and follow all current label directions for the specific pesticide being used. Due to constantly changing labels and product registration, some of the recommendations given in this writing may no longer be legal by the time you read them. If any information in these recommendations disagrees with the label, the recommendation must be disregarded. No endorsement is intended for products mentioned, nor is criticism meant for products not mentioned. The author, The Ohio State University and Ohio State University Extension assume no liability resulting from the use of these recommendations.
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by Camel toe joe » Fri Oct 03, 2003 3:57 pm
well did a little search and found this site http://kaweahoaks.com/html/schizocosa_mcooki.html looks very much like my spider..and i see them pretty often. most are much smaller, like the size of a dime the biger ones the size of a half dollar or silver dollar. another thing is that my neighbor told me the other day that he say one in his house and when he sprayed it with bug spray it ran and was droping little things off it's back... So i'm pretty convinced my spider is a wolf spider, anyway guess i'll look into an exterminator.
here is another picture the first shot was taken from about a foot away...this shot is more like 2- 3 feet away i wanted to put a coin next to it for size comparison but i was barefooted and didn't want to get bitten
here is another picture the first shot was taken from about a foot away...this shot is more like 2- 3 feet away i wanted to put a coin next to it for size comparison but i was barefooted and didn't want to get bitten
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by Camel toe joe » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:05 pm
Originally posted by buliwyf
dude it's so gross, RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what would you do if one of those spiders were in your stuka:confused:
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by Camel toe joe » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:08 pm
all we need is chacal to do some editng:D
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by Buliwyf » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:10 pm
Originally posted by Camel toe joe
what would you do if one of those spiders were in your stuka:confused:
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by Mugzy » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:13 pm
Being nice and warm down here in Texas, we get to deal with two very poisonous types of spiders (reclsue and black widow) and four types of nasty snakes (coral, copperhead, cottonmouth, and rattle snakes).
What a great place to live
What a great place to live
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by Mighty Mazz » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:48 pm
Heh those are cool looking spiders. I wouldnt recommend killing them unless u plan on wiping them ALL out as I've found insects to exact vengance for their lost comrades. Once had an ant problem and started to squish em as i saw em then a few nights later they started to attack me as i slept. Imagine waking to a bunch of bee like stings all over you, and the crazy thing was as Im flailing about killing them there heads stayed attached to me like staples! I swear they coordinated the attack. Couldnt sleep normal for a year after that attack.
Only spiders I get here move like 1000 mph and are pretty much impossible to kill.
Only spiders I get here move like 1000 mph and are pretty much impossible to kill.
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by Edogg » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:50 pm
Originally posted by Musashi X
Heh those are cool looking spiders. I wouldnt recommend killing them unless u plan on wiping them ALL out as I've found insects to exact vengance for their lost comrades. Once had an ant problem and started to squish em as i saw em then a few nights later they started to attack me as i slept. Imagine waking to a bunch of bee like stings all over you, and the crazy thing was as Im flailing about killing them there heads stayed attached to me like staples! I swear they coordinated the attack. Couldnt sleep normal for a year after that attack.
Only spiders I get here move like 1000 mph and are pretty much impossible to kill.
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by AnimalCracka » Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:59 pm
Originally posted by Mugzy
Being nice and warm down here in Texas, we get to deal with two very poisonous types of spiders (reclsue and black widow) and four types of nasty snakes (coral, copperhead, cottonmouth, and rattle snakes).
What a great place to live
Yep Texas is great isnt it.
by Chacal » Sat Oct 04, 2003 12:01 am
Originally posted by Camel toe joe
all we need is chacal to do some editng:D
Hey, no pressure!
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