A chevy ripoff of honda civic?

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Indeed!

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Originally posted by cavalierlwt
Maybe RCglider isn't anti-American just because he won't buy an American car if he feels it's subpar. Maybe the American car company that make the subpar auto is the one that is anti-American.

The 'anti-american' refers to car buying! And by the way some Honda cars are made in america too.

I really like it when things are taken out of context and used like that, very nice:D

I'm guessing RCglider does not buy new cars.

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So he is anti-american for buying a car? Also, what does it matter if he buys new or used?

Better yet, what the hell kind of point are you trying to make besides you have 3 american cars, and 'both' of them run fine?

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Is he referring to the Corporate America or People America? Two very different things...

I am glad the big 3 have finally got off thier asses and built us some good cars...

[LordShard]

this reminds me, the other day there was this car full of teenagers, none of them looked to be over 15, and their base was up so loud it made my car vabrate then suddenlty it got quiet and their car started rattling to the tune of their crap *cough* I mean rap.

their bass speakers blew up. ha ha ha

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Originally posted by sanpro411
The 'anti-american' refers to car buying! And by the way some Honda cars are made in america too.

I really like it when things are taken out of context and used like that, very nice:D

I'm guessing RCglider does not buy new cars.

My apologies if I took something out of context, I didn't mean to. I was reading through this thread and was reminded of an argument I had with a friend. My friend insists that an Americans should buy ONLY Americans cars because of (I guess) the obvious benefits to the American economy. My angle on it was that I shouldn't be forced to buy a subpar car out of patriotism. Why should lose out, the car company should have found a way to make a better car at the price. That being said, I do own Chevy, most of which was probably made in some other country anyway.
Anyway, once again sorry if I misinterpreted and offended anyone.

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Originally posted by cavalierlwt
My apologies if I took something out of context, I didn't mean to. I was reading through this thread and was reminded of an argument I had with a friend. My friend insists that an Americans should buy ONLY Americans cars because of (I guess) the obvious benefits to the American economy. My angle on it was that I shouldn't be forced to buy a subpar car out of patriotism. Why should lose out, the car company should have found a way to make a better car at the price. That being said, I do own Chevy, most of which was probably made in some other country anyway.
Anyway, once again sorry if I misinterpreted and offended anyone.

NP.

And what point was rcglider trying to make by

if it has engine problems and falls apart after 3 or 4 years, it's definitely a pure bred Chevy.

My point is my chevy is over 4 years old and not fallen apart, what is your point tango?

My other point is to make light of rcgliders posts, since most all car makers have made a lemon over the years, and just because it is a chevy does not mean it will fall apart after 3 years.

My other point is if rcglider only buys used cars then his comments do not hold much weight, since he did not buy them new, then he has no real view on how long a before that chevy falls apart as rcglider says. My other question for rcglider is did he ever own a chevy? I my self have owned over 5 chevy's and none of them fell apart.

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Originally posted by sanpro411
NP.

And what point was rcglider trying to make by

My point is my chevy is over 4 years old and not fallen apart, what is your point tango?

My other point is to make light of rcgliders posts, since most all car makers have made a lemon over the years, and just because it is a chevy does not mean it will fall apart after 3 years.

My other point is if rcglider only buys used cars then his comments do not hold much weight, since he did not buy them new, then he has no real view on how long a before that chevy falls apart as rcglider says. My other question for rcglider is did he ever own a chevy? I my self have owned over 5 chevy's and none of them fell apart.

If you buy a new GM product, aside from Cadillac, they all use the same basic components. That's why Oldsmobile doesn't exist anymore; there's only cosmetic differences. The engines and drivetrains are virtually identical between between similar models.

Buick still makes the 3800, but it's standard only in Buick and Pontiac's large car line. That is GM's best engine and will be through 2012.

I've bought 3 new cars, and don't anymore simply because they aren't worth the price. You don't need to buy a new car to know which ones have problems. I get the service bulletins, reports from engineers and line workers, and from the service guys.

I never said ALL Chevys are junk, but the 2.2 litre engines in Cavaliers and Pontiac are rattle traps. They have severe piston slap problems due to engine block cylinder bores (one) being oversized because of a casting problem. GM's attitude is it's not a problem. They may have addressed that issue by now no doubt. Take any American 4 cylinder engine and run them side by side with a Japanese 4 cylinder engine.....just listen to the difference.

If you own a 3.4 litre Chevy engine, 2003 and older, you are likely to have intake gasket leakage problems. If you don't, it doesn't mean it's not a problem; blind squirrels find nuts eventually. I didn't need to buy a new car to know this.

If you own a Chevy 350 when they switched to using RTV in place of cork to seal the intake to the engine block, you will have oil leaks especially at the back of the engine. I didn't need to buy a new car to know this.

If you own a GM engine and it puffs a bit of blue smoke when it's first started, it's because GM decided to eliminate the exhaust guide seal on several engines to save money. It doesn't hurt anything, but it doesn't look good. I didn't need to buy a new car to know this.

If people knew of all the problems that happen on new product line runs and how they are "fixed" they probably wouldn't buy a first year model again.

I've heard Grand Am water pumps tend to fail prematurely and can be a big headache to replace

P.S. I've owned several Chevys over the years, and never said I wouldn't own another one. I just considered buying a new 2004 Chevy Blazer, but even with $10k in rebates and employee discounts, still couldn't stomach the cost. Maybe I'm just too cheap.

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Originally posted by RCglider
If you buy a new GM product, aside from Cadillac, they all use the same basic components. That's why Oldsmobile doesn't exist anymore; there's only cosmetic differences. The engines and drivetrains are virtually identical between between similar models.

Buick still makes the 3800, but it's standard only in Buick and Pontiac's large car line. That is GM's best engine and will be through 2012.

I've bought 3 new cars, and don't anymore simply because they aren't worth the price. You don't need to buy a new car to know which ones have problems. I get the service bulletins, reports from engineers and line workers, and from the service guys.

I never said ALL Chevys are junk, but the 2.2 litre engines in Cavaliers and Pontiac are rattle traps. They have severe piston slap problems due to engine block cylinder bores (one) being oversized because of a casting problem. GM's attitude is it's not a problem. They may have addressed that issue by now no doubt. Take any American 4 cylinder engine and run them side by side with a Japanese 4 cylinder engine.....just listen to the difference.

If you own a 3.4 litre Chevy engine, 2003 and older, you are likely to have intake gasket leakage problems. If you don't, it doesn't mean it's not a problem; blind squirrels find nuts eventually. I didn't need to buy a new car to know this.

If you own a Chevy 350 when they switched to using RTV in place of cork to seal the intake to the engine block, you will have oil leaks especially at the back of the engine. I didn't need to buy a new car to know this.

If you own a GM engine and it puffs a bit of blue smoke when it's first started, it's because GM decided to eliminate the exhaust guide seal on several engines to save money. It doesn't hurt anything, but it doesn't look good. I didn't need to buy a new car to know this.

If people knew of all the problems that happen on new product line runs and how they are "fixed" they probably wouldn't buy a first year model again.

I've heard Grand Am water pumps tend to fail prematurely and can be a big headache to replace

P.S. I've owned several Chevys over the years, and never said I wouldn't own another one. I just considered buying a new 2004 Chevy Blazer, but even with $10k in rebates and employee discounts, still couldn't stomach the cost. Maybe I'm just too cheap.

Very nicely put, thanks rcglider, you answered my questions.

I take back my anti------ comments.

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LOL, I have a 2002 Cavalier (no relation between my car and my nickname though) and it feels like it's going to blow up when I go over 70 MPH. It rattles, shimmies a little. Really gets my adrenaline going, feels like I'm in a fighter plane that's breaking up. BAIL OUT! BAIL OUT, BAIL OUT! 9 9 9 !!