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Originally posted by shockwave203

It's funny- you think Canada does absolutely nothing regarding terrorism issues. We've spend billions on security measures, etc. We've arrested people who fund raise for terrorist groups, but we haven't stripped people of the rights given to them. It hasn't happened up here, and it won't happen up here. Thank goodness.



key word being POSSIBLE. There is a huge difference. Do you arrest and detain Italians without reason? Do you? If you don't, then shutup when you say it's the same thing.

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And how in Gods name did your Government come to arrest these people......did they walk in and say we are terrorists.

Do you have any idea how many Italians have been brought in, that might have had a relative that was linked to the mob, obviously you dont. Or just happened to be a friend that had their life turned upside down because they were in suspicion of being in the mob.

No difference whatsover, although my fear of a terrorist outways that of a mobster.

The town I grew up in has a small middle-eastern population, it was on the news after 9/11 because some of the terrorist were using a rented garage as a mosque, are you telling me that nobody in that community of middle-eastern speakin people knew what was coming, or the fact that they ran into the streets cheering afterward was just a spontaneous reaction.

Tell you what, you dont comment on the U.S. ands I'll leave Canada alone.

[Pierce]

[quote]Originally posted by shockwave203
I'm speaking of people from middle eastern decent. People who were born in North America, yet their skin is a different shade, so they're singled out as possible terrorists.



I think this comes with the terrirtory. We all know that racism is absolutely wrong but there are always jackbutt bimbo's who will take one look at an Arab on the delta flight to atlanta and mutter to himself/wife/friend whoever that "man that guys probably a terrorist" It's just bound to happen and this will never change now that 9/11 has happened.

[shockwave203]

Originally posted by COL.BUKKAKE

And how in Gods name did your Government come to arrest these people......did they walk in and say we are terrorists.

Do you have any idea how many Italians have been brought in, that might have had a relative that was linked to the mob, obviously you dont. Or just happened to be a friend that had their life turned upside down because they were in suspicion of being in the mob.

No difference whatsover, although my fear of a terrorist outways that of a mobster.

The town I grew up in has a small middle-eastern population, it was on the news after 9/11 because some of the terrorist were using a rented garage as a mosque, are you telling me that nobody in that community of middle-eastern speakin people knew what was coming, or the fact that they ran into the streets cheering afterward was just a spontaneous reaction.

Tell you what, you dont comment on the U.S. ands I'll leave Canada alone.

How did my government arrest people? They had a case against them, and arrested them. Instead of acting on a suspicion, detaining a person without them knowing why, for how long, etc etc. If Canada let terrorist raise funds, run around the streets of our cities singing death to everyone, why haven't we had a terrorist attack? Don't tell me it's because Canada isn't a target. There have been countless terrorist attacks in countless countries around the world. The US is not the lone nation prone to attacks, there are risks for Canada as well. The difference between our two countries is that we don't strip the rights of our citizens, and you do.

I have nothing to be ashamed about when it comes to Canada. Comment on Canada all you want, I don't care.

Originally posted by shockwave203
How did my government arrest people? They had a case against them, and arrested them.
I have nothing to be ashamed about when it comes to Canada. Comment on Canada all you want, I don't care.

Where did they get the information to bring a case against them, were they convicted and sentenced, or were they innocent.

Has Canada had a terrorist attack? Then how can you possibly comment on how your country would react if it did?

unreal

[shockwave203]

Originally posted by COL.BUKKAKE
Where did they get the information to bring a case against them, were they convicted and sentenced, or were they innocent.

Read this for your answers.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/03/31/canada.terror.arrest/

He was arrested for charges on terrorism after it was found that they were warranted. The man wasn't simply plucked off the street, held for god knows how long, and had his rights violated.

Has Canada had a terrorist attack? Then how can you possibly comment on how your country would react if it did?

unreal

I'm not commenting on how we would react, I'm commenting on how we're making sure one doesn't happen.

Originally posted by shockwave203


Read this for your answers.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/03/31/canada.terror.arrest/

He was arrested for charges on terrorism after it was found that they were warranted. The man wasn't simply plucked off the street, held for god knows how long, and had his rights violated.



I'm not commenting on how we would react, I'm commenting on how we're making sure one [b]doesn't happen. [/B]

Again, how did they come across this man, he's obviously middle-eastern, did the police tap his phones, keep surveillance on him for countless hours. If they did, then isnt that the same thing.

The way you over-exaggerate whats goin on here , like evry Arab-American is sitting in prison, is ridiculous. But then again, if your getting your news from Al-Jazeera and Cnn, then its really not your fault.

If the terrorist wanted too, they could pull off attacks on Canada, remember that. No matter how much you think your Government is protecting you, and how they are doing it.

[shockwave203]

They could also pull off attacks on US soil easily. You can try and prepare for everything, but in the end, it won't be enough.

[Colonel Ingus]

By the best way possible Shockwave!

Don't be a target!

Appear friendly/neutral, Don't engage them, Don't support the US

All of which I have no problem with and it doesn't lower my opinion of Canada or Canadians at all. You have your own nation and can do want you please. Look what blind support to neighbors did for Europe in WWI.

It is a great way to avoid potential terrorist attacks. lets take a quick look at whose been grabbed in the Mid-East. Americans, Egyptians, Phillipino's, Japanese, South Koreans, Bulgarians, Indians, and Kenyans so far.

What do they all have in common? Either American or support(ed) America. No Canadians grabbed yet is there?

[shockwave203]

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
By the best way possible Shockwave!

Don't be a target!

Appear friendly/neutral, Don't engage them, Don't support the US

All of which I have no problem with and it doesn't lower my opinion of Canada or Canadians at all. You have your own nation and can do want you please. Look what blind support to neighbors did for Europe in WWI.

It is a great way to avoid potential terrorist attacks. lets take a quick look at whose been grabbed in the Mid-East. Americans, Egyptians, Phillipino's, Japanese, South Koreans, Bulgarians, Indians, and Kenyans so far.

What do they all have in common? Either American or support(ed) America. No Canadians grabbed yet is there?

There have been a few Canadian kidnappings in Iraq.

http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/04/20/canada/iraq_cda040420

if you want me to post links to others who have been kidnapped in the middle east, I will.

Canada supported the US when it's target was terrorism. We didnt support 'ol dubya's invasion of Iraq because it had nothing to do with terrorism.

so there's your proof. no country is safe, no countries civilians are safe, which means Canada isn't exluded as a target.

I love that story:

"Its not known if the kidnappers know he's Canadian"

Are they saying he will be in peril if they find out, or they would let him go because he's Canadian?

[Pierce]

^This is very true. Canada doesn't have to support us if they don't want to. It's completely their choice and it's actually a good tactic for not becomming a target.

However, I'd like to get some Canadian opinion on what you think Canada WOULD do if they were attacked even though Canada is obviously trying to make themselves the smallest target possible (which is obviously their decision and a right one if I were canadian). Do you think that your government and the majority of the people would take a 180 degree turn and support the war now that it has happened on the homeland or do you think they would still continue to do the same thing they are doing now?

[shockwave203]

You guys are getting things confused here. Fighting terror is not the same thing as invading Iraq.

We supported the war in Afghanistan because the taliban weren't handing over Osama. The war in Iraq was to free Iraqi's from Saddam, not a war on terror, so no, I doubt Canadians would start to support the war in Iraq if we were attacked.

[Evan]

We aren't talking about Iraq Shockwave, we're talking terrorism.

[Colonel Ingus]

^This is very true. Canada doesn't have to support us if they don't want to. It's completely their choice and it's actually a good tactic for not becomming a target.

Roger that Pierce. I pretty much feel the same way.

[shockwave203]

Originally posted by Evan
We aren't talking about Iraq Shockwave, we're talking terrorism.

I've already said Canada is in the fight against terror, but most people don't listen.

Why do you think we helped in Afghanistan if we didn't support the war on terrorism?