Matrix Reloaded

by **LadyDeathstrike** » Sat May 17, 2003 10:01 am

IT ALMOST SEEMS TO MAKE SENSE THAT IN THE NEXT MOVIE EVERYONE IN THE MATRIX WILL BE A AGENT SMITH SINCE HE WANTS EVERYTHING ... AND BOTH THE HUMANS AND MACHINES WILL HAVE TO UNITE TO DEFEAT HIM ... JUST A GUESS
WHICH IS SOMETHING THEY TOUCHED ON IN RELOADED THAT BOTH SPECIES NEED EACH OTHER TO SURVIVE

by **Cpl. Bingham** » Sat May 17, 2003 10:08 am

I think Neo's ability to swat down the sentinels was an ability to channel his body energy into a corporeal form. This would explai as well why he passed out after it was over, ie he expended every last spark of energy in his body.

by **Hoog** » Sat May 17, 2003 12:21 pm

Ok I said it earlier but it got overlooked I guess. The real world isn't the real world. It's another layer of the Matrix. It's just another part of the control the machines want over the humans. You let those who figure out that the Matrix isn't real THINK they have escaped but letting them believe they have gotten out of the Matrix. I'm assuming that all the programs for each Layer are kept seperate but Smith figured it out after the end of the first movie. When he copied himself into the guy who was trying to leave the Matrix and was the only survivor of Zion being destroyed. So now both Smith and Neo know that the second layer exists which will be the basis of the third movie. But thats just my opinion and you could be wrong

by **RCinator** » Sat May 17, 2003 4:04 pm

Agent: "what is the real world? How deep does the Matrix go?"

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

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I agree with the "Second Layer" matrix theorey. It easily explains why Neo can now stop sentinels in their tracks. It also explains Agent Smith's new found abilities.

A couple of things are very apparent from this movie - Neo is NOT the anomally to which the architect refers - agent Smith is. Neo was a control designed to reset the program when the anomally, which is statistcally inevitable, occurred. Neo is still human, but his programming has been altered. We now know that it is possible to modify a human's code becuase Agent Smith took over a person in the real world.

Neo is not the first one to have these "powers" . . . in the first movie they make reference to the original "one" who freed the first people in Zion. This would suggest that the cycle to which the architect refers has happened many times. That is why Neo gets to choose 20 some people to free - it's starting the cycle over again. To those 20 odd people, Neo will be the original one, and a new One will be prophesized.

The Oracle is a programmatic control put in place to ensure that the "One" completes his destiny. The Oracle is NOT the program that the architect refers to as the one gathering the human emotions and suggesting how to add to the matrix to make the humans believe it - the architect scoffs at the mention of this. The "hot chick" (Malavignon's Wife) is the program that was in charge of gathering emotion and studying human response. This is why she wants the kiss from Neo "It's been a hundred years since we shared ...." is a reference to the fact that it's been a hundred years since she last had to analyze human behavior.

... There's more, but my fingers have just tied into a knot . . . :freak:

by **Agent-Commando** » Sat May 17, 2003 7:23 pm

Originally posted by RCinator
Agent: "what is the real world? How deep does the Matrix go?"

How deep does the rabbit hole go?

**************SPOILERS*****************
**************SPOILERS*****************
**************SPOILERS*****************

I agree with the "Second Layer" matrix theorey. It easily explains why Neo can now stop sentinels in their tracks. It also explains Agent Smith's new found abilities.

A couple of things are very apparent from this movie - Neo is NOT the anomally to which the architect refers - agent Smith is. Neo was a control designed to reset the program when the anomally, which is statistcally inevitable, occurred. Neo is still human, but his programming has been altered. We now know that it is possible to modify a human's code becuase Agent Smith took over a person in the real world.

Neo is not the first one to have these "powers" . . . in the first movie they make reference to the original "one" who freed the first people in Zion. This would suggest that the cycle to which the architect refers has happened many times. That is why Neo gets to choose 20 some people to free - it's starting the cycle over again. To those 20 odd people, Neo will be the original one, and a new One will be prophesized.

The Oracle is a programmatic control put in place to ensure that the "One" completes his destiny. The Oracle is NOT the program that the architect refers to as the one gathering the human emotions and suggesting how to add to the matrix to make the humans believe it - the architect scoffs at the mention of this. The "hot chick" (Malavignon's Wife) is the program that was in charge of gathering emotion and studying human response. This is why she wants the kiss from Neo "It's been a hundred years since we shared ...." is a reference to the fact that it's been a hundred years since she last had to analyze human behavior.

... There's more, but my fingers have just tied into a knot . . .

Hey, great points there RC...clever...ah, the mystery won't be solved until November..hahaha 6 whole months!

by **shockwave203** » Sat May 17, 2003 7:54 pm

Is that when Matrix3 is coming out? only 6 months away?

by **Agent-Commando** » Sat May 17, 2003 8:05 pm

Originally posted by shockwave203
Is that when Matrix3 is coming out? only 6 months away?

Yes.

read http://www.thematrix.com for all the latest news. And stay back 10 minutes after credits for the teaser of Revolutions.

You may wanna go relieve yourself though and run back in hehe.

by **FarginMofo** » Sun May 18, 2003 4:04 am

Just came back from seeing the matrix. Very interesting. Those end credits were too damn long though. "...and we'd like to give credit to Bob and Dave the 2 night janitors..." Get to the teaser already!

RC, so to draw on another programming analogy, those persons who "wake up" in the matrix (realize or at least suspect they are living in a computer generated world) are basically the event (error) that "raises an exception" in the matrix code. They thus get dumped into the "real world" (zion) which in "reality" is either just another part of the matrix or perhaps a separate matrix all together - one created to handle the .1% of the population (the 250,000 peeps in zion) that "errored out"?

by **NightStalker453** » Sun May 18, 2003 9:27 am

I noticed when the Sentinals were coming after Neo, Morpheus, Trinity, and the new pilot, that Neo said "I can feel them" that would lead to that either when Neo blew apart Agent Smith at the end of the first movie some code was put into him, or when Agent Smith tried to copy himself into Neo in reloaded but when that happened Agent Smith was free, although he could still have had control over Sentinals. But i still see laying idea best explanation, the matrix could be a compressed file such as a zip file, which consist of several layers.

by **JimmyTango** » Sun May 18, 2003 10:22 am

Matrix Relaoded?

Nope, Matrix Overbloated!

Complete crap, typical hollywood. The sequel tries too hard to 'out do' the original, and all you get is a movie filled with sillyness, crappy acting, action scenes that start out good, but go one too long and too far, too many cliche's and some good further explaining of what the Matrix is(sadly, this was only about 25% of the total movie).

The first Matrix was great for being original, grounbreaking and pushing it's genre to a new level.

The second one is nothing but the same old typical money making sequel.

In the end, about 25% of this movie is good a 'Matrix' sequel. The other 75% just goes too far and ruins what could ahve been good scenes.

I give it a 'C.'

P.S. before anyone says 'well, they always planned an a sequel, so hos is it Hollywood crap.' Simple, planning on a sequel and writing the sequels before the first was in theaters are two different things. After the success of the first, the sequels had to 'out do' the original, no matter fi the sequels where planned(but not written) when the original was written.

by **NightStalker453** » Sun May 18, 2003 10:56 am

I actually hated the first matrix so I decided to give it one more chance and went to see Reloaded. It obviously pulled me in, now im a fan of The Matrix. First one sucks, reloaded is much better

by **RCinator** » Sun May 18, 2003 1:58 pm

Originally posted by FarginMofo
Just came back from seeing the matrix. Very interesting. Those end credits were too damn long though. "...and we'd like to give credit to Bob and Dave the 2 night janitors..." Get to the teaser already!

RC, so to draw on another programming analogy, those persons who "wake up" in the matrix (realize or at least suspect they are living in a computer generated world) are basically the event (error) that "raises an exception" in the matrix code. They thus get dumped into the "real world" (zion) which in "reality" is either just another part of the matrix or perhaps a separate matrix all together - one created to handle the .1% of the population (the 250,000 peeps in zion) that "errored out"?

Yep - in the "Second Layer" theorey, the reason that the second layer exists is so that the people who don't accept the programming (the errors/exceptions) have a place to go. The second layer is a big fancy error handler. In programmers terms, the inner matrix is the "try" block, and the outer matrix is the "catch" block. Who knows - there may even be a "finally" block out there waiting as well!!!

by **[U.S.C] Amaryl** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:49 pm

Originally posted by Agent-Commando
Yes.

read http://www.thematrix.com for all the latest news. And stay back 10 minutes after credits for the teaser of Revolutions. You may wanna go relieve yourself though and run back in hehe.

Are you kidding, right?
Not the entire world has seen the 2º part and they want to release another one, crap this is going to be a friday 13th situation or what?

by **RCinator** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:06 pm

Originally posted by [U.S.C] Amaryl
Are you kidding, right?
Not the entire world has seen the 2º part and they want to release another one, crap this is going to be a friday 13th situation or what?

The second and third matrix films were filmed at the same time, and were always intended to be released within six months of each other. There was never a "maybe we'll do a third one" - it was always in the works.

by **Agent-Commando** » Mon May 19, 2003 12:22 am

Originally posted by RCinator
The second and third matrix films were filmed at the same time, and were always intended to be released within six months of each other. There was never a "maybe we'll do a third one" - it was always in the works.

Yup, adding to that, the Reloaded and Revolutions are one movie together as Reloaded left off at an abrupt end. They've simply split it into two movies. Revolutions is complete already, they're just giving it six months for everyone to see in the theatres and finishing the saga.

From the beginning when the Matrix sequel was announced, like RC said, it was meant to have two movies even though it's really one movie with 2 episodes/parts.

Even when Star Wars Episode 1 was announced, it was already known that Episode 2 and 3 would come out anyway, regardless of how bad or good it did(the first episode) in the theatres...

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