Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:23 pm
Folic, I hate to seem like I'm defending Jimmy here, but I think he was responding to Fat Bastard's grammatically-challenged comment. Jimmy wasn't saying there were no other terrorism victims, he seemed to be rebuking Fat, who did seem to be saying that...
I know this because apparently me and Jimmy have been good buddies for a while. He thinks he knows me so why not! Maybe I know him, too! To quote "It's a Wonderful Life": Remember, no man is a failure who has friends.
I know this because apparently me and Jimmy have been good buddies for a while. He thinks he knows me so why not! Maybe I know him, too! To quote "It's a Wonderful Life": Remember, no man is a failure who has friends.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:25 pm
Originally posted by Folic_Acid
Uh.... What? Are you forgetting Israel, the UK, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iraq, Japan, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, and the Philippines, just to name a few? Or do the events that have taken place in those countries somehow fall into a different category other than "terrorism?"
Actually, Folic, that's precisely the point JimmyTango was making.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:29 pm
Thank you gentlemen - I stand corrected, and I apologize for having misread Jimmy's post.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:38 pm
Folic Acid...your grammar is TOO good...
Kinda freakin' me out here.
Kinda freakin' me out here.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:43 pm
Heh. Considering writing is a large part of my job, knowing proper grammar is quite useful, not to mention necessary....
Mon Dec 15, 2003 4:53 pm
where o where is cpl bingham. he usually has a comment or two
Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:20 pm
Originally posted by Folic_Acid
Jimmy - I'm curious. What exactly is your point with this whole post? I'd go through your post and refute it line by line, but I think my post would be a bit long-winded. Suffice it to say - it'd be a pretty easy thing for me to refute, though.
Well, I can't resist just this one:
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Uh.... What? Are you forgetting Israel, the UK, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iraq, Japan, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, and the Philippines, just to name a few? Or do the events that have taken place in those countries somehow fall into a different category other than "terrorism?" [/B]
EDIT: Nevermind, I see later others responded.
Doug,
Me and you have been back and forth enough for me to know how you think, and you know it. I have explained numerous times I am middle of the road(the correct way to think, BTW), and that no matter left or right a poster may be, they will see me as the opposite when I post. Generally, the Dem's have it down for what is needed now, adn the Repub's have it down for what needs to be done in the future, once certain areas are fixed. Note this does not include trickle down economics, as that will never work.
I am also done with this thread as politics and religion on a forum lead to nothing useful but name calling and pissed off posters.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:45 pm
Wow!
After going back and re-reading some of the first posts I am shocked at the ignorance, and insular self replicating mindset some of these people have.
Lets be honest here and face facts. The major world problems of the last 100 years were all caused by European countries and their Imperialism. And the aftermath left by their reckless decisions made to support their colonial empires. Hell we can go back a few hundred years and find the same thing. Over and over and over.
So don't come bashing America. You haven't earned the right.
Is America perfect? No and I will be the first to admit that. Our record in South America has always been pretty pisspoor. (Boston Fruit Company anyone?)
Are European thoughts and actions better? Gotta admit the track record is much poorer and we have to constantly clean up European caused messes.
If we review the last 6 major military conflicts the United States Armed Forces have been involved in. 2 were due to the British and the French (WWI and WWII Hell we can lump the germans here also), One Solely the French(Vietnam), 2 indirectly due to British Imperialism(Iraq PT I and II) and at least they had the hutzpah to help clean it up, and one we did all on our own (Korea) fighting the Cold War (Russia? hello isn't it located in Europe?).
And lets not forget the literally trillions of dollars and unkown losses of men and women fighting the "Cold War" defending your dumb asses from Soviet Aggression. How would you have liked to have what happened in Budapest happen in Rotterdam? Would you have been happier with a Paris Airlift?
And that assinine comment about Pearl Harbor from some idiot in Holland really pissed me off. Hmm how about the ole' Lend-Lease Act? How about the American convoys delivering goods to Europe prior to America's entry into WWII.
Americans at the time in general thought "Thats a European problem, let them handle it." Well you did a pretty piss poor job. You should be thankful the Japanese dragged us into the war.
Jesus H. Christ! You people still can't get your shit together and clean up your own backyard! There are still troops from my states national guard in former Yugoslavia Today! MN's Governor is there visiting them.
We don't expect a thank you, we don't expect praise, but you can shut the fuck up when something needs to be done and stop incessantly whining.
Signing off: One pissed off American.
After going back and re-reading some of the first posts I am shocked at the ignorance, and insular self replicating mindset some of these people have.
Lets be honest here and face facts. The major world problems of the last 100 years were all caused by European countries and their Imperialism. And the aftermath left by their reckless decisions made to support their colonial empires. Hell we can go back a few hundred years and find the same thing. Over and over and over.
So don't come bashing America. You haven't earned the right.
Is America perfect? No and I will be the first to admit that. Our record in South America has always been pretty pisspoor. (Boston Fruit Company anyone?)
Are European thoughts and actions better? Gotta admit the track record is much poorer and we have to constantly clean up European caused messes.
If we review the last 6 major military conflicts the United States Armed Forces have been involved in. 2 were due to the British and the French (WWI and WWII Hell we can lump the germans here also), One Solely the French(Vietnam), 2 indirectly due to British Imperialism(Iraq PT I and II) and at least they had the hutzpah to help clean it up, and one we did all on our own (Korea) fighting the Cold War (Russia? hello isn't it located in Europe?).
And lets not forget the literally trillions of dollars and unkown losses of men and women fighting the "Cold War" defending your dumb asses from Soviet Aggression. How would you have liked to have what happened in Budapest happen in Rotterdam? Would you have been happier with a Paris Airlift?
And that assinine comment about Pearl Harbor from some idiot in Holland really pissed me off. Hmm how about the ole' Lend-Lease Act? How about the American convoys delivering goods to Europe prior to America's entry into WWII.
Americans at the time in general thought "Thats a European problem, let them handle it." Well you did a pretty piss poor job. You should be thankful the Japanese dragged us into the war.
Jesus H. Christ! You people still can't get your shit together and clean up your own backyard! There are still troops from my states national guard in former Yugoslavia Today! MN's Governor is there visiting them.
We don't expect a thank you, we don't expect praise, but you can shut the fuck up when something needs to be done and stop incessantly whining.
Signing off: One pissed off American.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:48 pm
Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
(P.S. I don't hate all Europeans as a class or anything. Just the ones who aren't in Germany or Britain.)
Uhm.. Just asking; as a stupid European guy I read this as "I hate all Europeans except for the British and Germans"
If this is true, I would like to say a BIG THANK YOU! Again I like to say that there are more coutries in the Europian Union then France, Germany, England and Spain...
Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:52 pm
Originally posted by JimmyTango
Doug,
Me and you have been back and forth enough for me to know how you think, and you know it. I have explained numerous times I am middle of the road(the correct way to think, BTW), and that no matter left or right a poster may be, they will see me as the opposite when I post...
I am also done with this thread as politics and religion on a forum lead to nothing useful but name calling and pissed off posters.
Well, if I "know it" so well, then I "know" that you are not as middle of the road as you like to claim.
And as far as "name calling and pissed off posters" are concerned, everything seemed fairly civil in this thread until your first post here. That's where I see all the "pissed off" language starting.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:54 pm
Oh and on a calmer and more rational note:
No this will not have much of an effect on the radicals in Iraq. I don't really believe that he had much control over them. The only segment it might affect are his loyalists and even then not much. I am willing to bet the baathists don't really care he was snagged.
A lot of the action taking place is being done at the behest of various groups like the Wahabbi's in Saudi Arabia and the ruling Clerics in Iran. And lets not forget Osama's little gang o' fun. And I am sure hardcore groups like Hammas are tipping in to help out also. Most hardcore Islamics fear an effective and successful democratic Islamic country.
Think how it would make their countries look?
Hell even the Europeans (whom I bash most harshly in the previous post) have given up on monarchy as an effective form of government.
No this will not have much of an effect on the radicals in Iraq. I don't really believe that he had much control over them. The only segment it might affect are his loyalists and even then not much. I am willing to bet the baathists don't really care he was snagged.
A lot of the action taking place is being done at the behest of various groups like the Wahabbi's in Saudi Arabia and the ruling Clerics in Iran. And lets not forget Osama's little gang o' fun. And I am sure hardcore groups like Hammas are tipping in to help out also. Most hardcore Islamics fear an effective and successful democratic Islamic country.
Think how it would make their countries look?
Hell even the Europeans (whom I bash most harshly in the previous post) have given up on monarchy as an effective form of government.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:56 pm
Dutchhy that was an attempt at humor. Ignore it.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 5:59 pm
cheers
Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:03 pm
(P.S. I don't hate all Europeans as a class or anything. Just the ones who aren't in Germany or Britain.)
It's sad that a thread like this is going to be a childish flamefest.
What's also so typical about these kind of 'international' conflicts are the remarks like "Silly Europeans, remember when we helped you back in WW1/WW2? Respect us!". We all know you didn't have anything to do with the war, you didn't do anything to make a difference in that war. You weren't even born during those wars. How I know that? Simple. If you DID do something in the war, you would be adult enough now to avoid this kind of childish conflicts.
It's kind like a person from Belgium saying to a frenchman "Shut up. You know Belgium is better than France. Remember Waterloo?"
Besides, racism is something for childish people/losers too. Overall, you really don't represent your country well. Don't get me wrong, there are loads of polite and adult americans out there, I know. You just aren't one of them.
Moral of the story is: Don't act like you are a veteran from WW1/WW2 and living in America doesn't give you the right to act like an asshole.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:05 pm
Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
(Russia? hello isn't it located in Europe?).
Well actually, my dear pissed Americano, Russia is NOT part of the Europian Union... And that is what's pissing me off also: you don't even know what countries are inside the E.U. (And to help out Jimmy::roll: )