Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:07 pm
I guess I'm also done with this thread. It's devolving into what I hoped it would not.
Whatever happens I'm going to enjoy this victory for what it is right now. The Coalition has more to accomplish in this war, and with every victory maybe I'll be here to poke fun at those who call triumph failure.
Whatever happens I'm going to enjoy this victory for what it is right now. The Coalition has more to accomplish in this war, and with every victory maybe I'll be here to poke fun at those who call triumph failure.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:12 pm
with all respect Colonel Ingus. But I think you are talking trash now. A soon as somebody ( an Europian in this case) starts talking about the negative points of America, you immediatly over react. First of all: how long does America really excist? Nearly 300 years? So it's really logical that Europe had the most wars. In fact: are you Americans not Europians? Huh? Some have German forfathers, others have Spanish, English, and yes! even Dutch forfathers!
Now, about Pearl Harbor: I can see you get really angry about that, so how about more examples?
WW I: America did nothing about the war, untill one of their own ships got blown away. OMG! Yes, look out Germans, you pissed of the Americans now! You are really gonna get it. They are holy you know.
WW II, I mentioned that allready
and 2 years ago: 9-11-2001. Those terrorists really have to save their asses now, cause America is pissed off again.
And Cold War: who on f*cking earth was afraid to get nuked?
US and USSR. Europe too, but we didn't had itchy trigger fingers too push on The Button.
*sigh* I got tired of this. This is a useless discussion man. I don't hate Americans, and I know they don't hate us. But some of you guys are too arrogant. "America rescued Europe 4 times!". That's more than 60 years ago. Your parents weren't even born.
OK, I'll stop for now. You know what they say: that when you win a discussion on a forum, you are still retarded
Now, about Pearl Harbor: I can see you get really angry about that, so how about more examples?
WW I: America did nothing about the war, untill one of their own ships got blown away. OMG! Yes, look out Germans, you pissed of the Americans now! You are really gonna get it. They are holy you know.
WW II, I mentioned that allready
and 2 years ago: 9-11-2001. Those terrorists really have to save their asses now, cause America is pissed off again.
And Cold War: who on f*cking earth was afraid to get nuked?
US and USSR. Europe too, but we didn't had itchy trigger fingers too push on The Button.
*sigh* I got tired of this. This is a useless discussion man. I don't hate Americans, and I know they don't hate us. But some of you guys are too arrogant. "America rescued Europe 4 times!". That's more than 60 years ago. Your parents weren't even born.
OK, I'll stop for now. You know what they say: that when you win a discussion on a forum, you are still retarded
Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:21 pm
Originally posted by Tour of Duty
Now, about Pearl Harbor: I can see you get really angry about that, so how about more examples?
Come on Tour, I think you are going too far!!
Originally posted by Tour of Duty
and 2 years ago: 9-11-2001. Those terrorists really have to save their asses now, cause America is pissed off again.
Well, if our country was attacked like that, how do you think that it would respond? For example: Belgium attacks Holland by destroying our main airport Schiphol and our harbour, let's say Rotterdam... Do you really think our goverment would have react like: Oh well, there's more in life, we'll just wait and see how the E.U. responds to this? lol...
Originally posted by Tour of Duty
And Cold War: who on f*cking earth was afraid to get nuked?
US and USSR. Europe too, but we didn't had itchy trigger fingers too push on The Button.
We don't even have (or did have) nukes, so how the hell could we?!?
I'm getting tired of this topic, you all just chit-chat without me...
Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:29 pm
That's not too far. I am aonly giving facts. It happened, and I am only giving examples from the past. You can learn from it you know
LoL. If Holland got nuked, our government raises his white flag right a way. But in that quote am I not suggesting that the response of the US really was bad thing. It was one step forwards to ( and I quote again ): "to make the world saver for democraty".
Thank god we have no nukes. But: US, Russia AND Northern- Corea has. And in my opinion Corea is the most dangerous one at this moment.
LoL. If Holland got nuked, our government raises his white flag right a way. But in that quote am I not suggesting that the response of the US really was bad thing. It was one step forwards to ( and I quote again ): "to make the world saver for democraty".
Thank god we have no nukes. But: US, Russia AND Northern- Corea has. And in my opinion Corea is the most dangerous one at this moment.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 6:56 pm
Who said anything about the European Union? I was talking about the European continent. Maybe you are young and all you know is the EU but I remember cold war europe. It only dissappeared about 14 years ago. Russia (The most civilized and historic parts of Russia) is in Europe. I'm American but that seems to mean only the US. Somehow the Canadians and the Mexicans are forgotten.
And what the hell are you talking about? You weren't there man!? you don't know!? Garbage I say Garbage! Actually I do know. I am a member of the VFW (Veteran's of Foreign War) and I actually know men who fought in WWII, Korea, Vietnam. Maybe you have nothing to be proud of in your country that would make you proud of being a member of it. maybe this makes you want to go to some form of supernationalism (The EU) but we don't seem to have that problem here.
Re-read my post. I never said America was perfect. I merely stated that I believe it is a better nation then most European Nations. I bet you don't even know what I am refering to when I mention the Boston Fruit Company. Pretty disgusting part of my countries history and not one I am particularly proud of. If I want to be proud of my country I have to accept the good along with the bad.
There's a lot of good things that came out of europe but your attitudes are not part of them. A lot of the first post was attempts at humor but that obviously was missed. I respect the British, I respect the Germans, I love Italians (their women that is) and northern europe produced most of the stock that populates the region I live in. We will leave French bashing alone for now. there's always time enough for that. The Dutch I am somewhat wary of. If people really knew how much off the worlds bussiness and properties you own it would scare them.
So your track record is pretty shitty and some of your countries uses political beliefs to sustain a working relation with a brutal dictator. Its ok They've done it before and we shouldn't expect anything better.
And what the hell are you talking about? You weren't there man!? you don't know!? Garbage I say Garbage! Actually I do know. I am a member of the VFW (Veteran's of Foreign War) and I actually know men who fought in WWII, Korea, Vietnam. Maybe you have nothing to be proud of in your country that would make you proud of being a member of it. maybe this makes you want to go to some form of supernationalism (The EU) but we don't seem to have that problem here.
Re-read my post. I never said America was perfect. I merely stated that I believe it is a better nation then most European Nations. I bet you don't even know what I am refering to when I mention the Boston Fruit Company. Pretty disgusting part of my countries history and not one I am particularly proud of. If I want to be proud of my country I have to accept the good along with the bad.
There's a lot of good things that came out of europe but your attitudes are not part of them. A lot of the first post was attempts at humor but that obviously was missed. I respect the British, I respect the Germans, I love Italians (their women that is) and northern europe produced most of the stock that populates the region I live in. We will leave French bashing alone for now. there's always time enough for that. The Dutch I am somewhat wary of. If people really knew how much off the worlds bussiness and properties you own it would scare them.
So your track record is pretty shitty and some of your countries uses political beliefs to sustain a working relation with a brutal dictator. Its ok They've done it before and we shouldn't expect anything better.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:30 pm
I think, Col. Ingus, you should be careful, however, before criticizing European nations' roles in messing up the world. From the start of our great nation, our pragmatic foreign policy has resulted in many foreign debacles. In fact, our recent problems are in a large part our own making... we provided Hussein with chemical weapons in order to back his secular gov't against the Iranians which he later used to prevent Kurd uprisings, and we funded and armed Bin Laden in order to prevent the USSR from taking over Afhganistan, and to give them their own Viet Nam.
We should be honest with ourselves that our foreign policy is just as pragmatic as the Europeans - they held up the war because of their financial ties to Iraq, and America pushed for it because we recognize that having a secular, democratic state in the Middle East will play nicer with the west (meaning, not support terrorists and become a consumer as well as a producer in the world economy).
I think, in this case, it is fair to say we are doing the right thing, by eliminating a dictator and helping a people have a better way of life (in the long term (don't start)). But lets not pretend like we go around removing every evil regime from power--we have supported our fair share when doing so was in our interest.
We should be honest with ourselves that our foreign policy is just as pragmatic as the Europeans - they held up the war because of their financial ties to Iraq, and America pushed for it because we recognize that having a secular, democratic state in the Middle East will play nicer with the west (meaning, not support terrorists and become a consumer as well as a producer in the world economy).
I think, in this case, it is fair to say we are doing the right thing, by eliminating a dictator and helping a people have a better way of life (in the long term (don't start)). But lets not pretend like we go around removing every evil regime from power--we have supported our fair share when doing so was in our interest.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:30 pm
Thank you Colonel Ingus!
The fact is everyone is going to be criticizing every move the United States makes simply because it is the most powerful country today. It's like we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. I don't hate the rest of the world It's just when you guys start saying how arrogant and ignorant we are it just makes me want to say 'F^*k You' and I'm sure they feel the same way. Why you gotta be player hating?
I'd love to see what would happen if somehow they just isolated the Eastern World from the Western World.
Just wait till the Aliens start invading your ass. Who ya gonna call?
The fact is everyone is going to be criticizing every move the United States makes simply because it is the most powerful country today. It's like we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. I don't hate the rest of the world It's just when you guys start saying how arrogant and ignorant we are it just makes me want to say 'F^*k You' and I'm sure they feel the same way. Why you gotta be player hating?
I'd love to see what would happen if somehow they just isolated the Eastern World from the Western World.
Just wait till the Aliens start invading your ass. Who ya gonna call?
Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:33 pm
Ghostbusters?
Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:36 pm
PS As for supernationalism, a student of American history could say we are already supernationalists - as we were originally conceived as a union of sovereign states.
Of course, with the steady erosion of state sovereignty, that really isn't true anymore.
Of course, with the steady erosion of state sovereignty, that really isn't true anymore.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:53 pm
Originally posted by Tour of Duty
Ghostbusters?
Ahahaha
Yeah man after I wrote that I kept singing the song.
On a side not I don't really get offended when Other countries attack America. It's the people that live here and do it I can't stand I wish they would all just move out and I'm not talking about people who want to change America and such just the people that downright hate it yet live here.
Oh and as for America doing things that would benefit us more then others, it is a Country after all, we're not Santa Clause or Sweden. It's just reality that America gonna do some shady stuff.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:36 pm
Originally posted by Tour of Duty
That's not too far. I am aonly giving facts. It happened, and I am only giving examples from the past. You can learn from it you know
LoL. If Holland got nuked, our government raises his white flag right a way. But in that quote am I not suggesting that the response of the US really was bad thing. It was one step forwards to ( and I quote again ): "to make the world saver for democraty".
Thank god we have no nukes. But: US, Russia AND Northern- Corea has. And in my opinion Corea is the most dangerous one at this moment.
For christ's sake it is spelled K-O-R-E-A...
And it is not northern korea, it is NORTH korea...
There are two koreas: South Korea and North Korea
South Korea=Allies, somewhat democratic
North Korea=Axis (the "bad" guys), Communist, they have nukes
However, since you are from a different country, that is perfectly acceptable.
Anywho...
All of these are moot points you bring up and I cannot decide whether or not to agree with you...
By the way, I am an american living in the midwest
Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:40 pm
hehe, yes....I knew it was North Corea. But I got al confused. Cause in other countries they use the C, and because Korea first was one nation, I just the term "northern", instead of north
Sorry, my mistake
Sorry, my mistake
Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:48 pm
Actually Pudrik I do take things like that into account. Research the aforementioned Boston Fruit Company.
And for the recod the U.S. did NOT supply Iraq with chemical weapons. This is fact.
We did back the Mujahadeen and that was Cold war deal. Not happy with the cold war but I only had to deal with the last few years of it. Not saying its right just because the russian did the same to us in Korea and Vietnam. But there it stands.
And for the recod the U.S. did NOT supply Iraq with chemical weapons. This is fact.
We did back the Mujahadeen and that was Cold war deal. Not happy with the cold war but I only had to deal with the last few years of it. Not saying its right just because the russian did the same to us in Korea and Vietnam. But there it stands.
Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:50 pm
Hum.... ???? 
ok... Stop wasting your time guys cuz it wont change anything.
We live on the same earth so...
Maybe if Usa, Uk and Russia wasnt there, we would speak german??? And then???
Maybe if France wasn't there, Americans would speak spanish??? And then???
Maybe if EU didn't exist i wouldn't reply this fucking message, nuked in WwIII. And then???
Biggest countries of EU have a too big historical past. Changing the world history too much time.
USA is a too young wolf. Doing mistakes with others countries.
AAnnnnnnnddddddd Thhhhhhheeennnnnnnnnn?????
I LOVE YOU ALL
Sry for bad english
Thank you!!!
Cheers!!
ok... Stop wasting your time guys cuz it wont change anything.
We live on the same earth so...
Maybe if Usa, Uk and Russia wasnt there, we would speak german??? And then???
Maybe if France wasn't there, Americans would speak spanish??? And then???
Maybe if EU didn't exist i wouldn't reply this fucking message, nuked in WwIII. And then???
Biggest countries of EU have a too big historical past. Changing the world history too much time.
USA is a too young wolf. Doing mistakes with others countries.
AAnnnnnnnddddddd Thhhhhhheeennnnnnnnnn?????
I LOVE YOU ALL
Sry for bad english
Thank you!!!
Cheers!!
Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:00 pm
Originally posted by Blablabla
Hum.... ????
ok... Stop wasting your time guys cuz it wont change anything.
We live on the same earth so...
Maybe if Usa, Uk and Russia wasnt there, we would speak german??? And then???
Maybe if France wasn't there, Americans would speak spanish??? And then???
Maybe if EU didn't exist i wouldn't reply this fucking message, nuked in WwIII. And then???
Biggest countries of EU have a too big historical past. Changing the world history too much time.
USA is a too young wolf. Doing mistakes with others countries.
AAnnnnnnnddddddd Thhhhhhheeennnnnnnnnn?????
I LOVE YOU ALL
Sry for bad english
Thank you!!!
Cheers!!
That made no sense at all.