World War 3 imminent

by **cavalierlwt** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:00 am

So if you guys aren't buying our bullshit, then why do you bother being surprised when we don't live up to it?

by **Evan** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 9:04 am

Originally posted by cavalierlwt
So if you guys aren't buying our bullshit, then why do you bother being surprised when we don't live up to it?

Cavalierlwt: because the world needs someone to blame.

However..

One fact that I do not like about this country is the fact that we can spend billions and billions on foreign aid, relief efforts, international disasters..

But yet we can't help our own goddamned selves (New Orleans) or even give our students a decent education system because we are on a "tight budget" and don't have the funds for it.

I for one think that maybe we should stop worrying about other countries and disasters and focus on ourselves for once.

by **Alofwar** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 10:22 am

Since when did America give lots of relief aid? It gives alot in terms of actual money, but very little in terms of its overall GDP. Sweden gives a higher % of its GDP than the US.

by **SavageParrot** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:46 pm

Originally posted by Evan
I for one think that maybe we should stop worrying about other countries and disasters and focus on ourselves for once.

Your foreign aid pales into insignificance when you compare it to your military spending. Most of the aid you give is coupled with favourable trade agreements. It's not one way traffic...

Here read this and you'll see that foreign aid serves a purpose and is not just a free handout.

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/trade/files/98-916.pdf

The key function of foreing aid though is to pave the way for amercain companies to move in. Much of the money awarded is directed to wards the building of a the infrastructure needed for business and promoting free market reform. In other words its' not designed to be a handout it viewed on as a sort of 'spend money to make money' project to open or secure new markets.

In actual fact if you look at the numbers the actual 'humanitarian' part of your foreign aid program is quite small. The bulk of what you call foreign aid is really intended for us investments and businesses operating abroad. It may or may not have the knock on effect of benefitting the locals.

Compared to the US military budget the budget for foreign aid is pocket change anyway.

Alofowar isn't lying either in terms of aid as a percentage of gdp america was in last place among the industrialized (first world) countries untill 2004 when they jumped up to 2nd last due to spending on rebuilding Iraq.

Dollar wise you are the biggest donors but that's not surprsing considering to the are most wealthy and have a large population.

by **jingleBoy** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:39 pm

we helped save britan and ended the
british empire....a condition of the usa
entering the war

by **SavageParrot** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:27 pm

You act like it was our war and you didn't need to egt involved. I can see I am gonna have to remind you again that Germany declared war on you not the other way round at that we entered the war in the first place to save poland and that we also didn't need to be involved.

You left us for a whole year while we bled and died ALONE in the face of the Nazis. But no you are right we should definately spend the rest of eternity bowing down in reverence to your magnominity...

by **jingleBoy** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:38 pm

you euros learned nothing from ww2.....appeasing evil like you did with hitler and your doing now leads to
world war..

by **SavageParrot** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:59 pm

Ah yes because the US so famously stood up to Hitler before WWII.

Oh and your means 'belonging to you'. You're means 'you are'

by **cavalierlwt** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 3:56 pm

Foreign aid is about making people feel better about themselves or making a better political position.

by **Alofwar** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:05 pm

We didnt need the US to defend ourselves against Nazi Germany, look at this thread.

http://forums.powervs.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18233&highlight=German+invasion

Infact the US would have been necessary to beat Germany when you think about. Russia began to force Germany back long before the US got properly invovled, British and Free French forces were pushing up through Italy very easily without much US help, Africa was taken back with US help but could have been done without. If the US hadnt got invovled it simply would have meant that Germany would have taken a bit longer to be defeated and more of Europe would have been under Soviet control, which is just as bad as German.

Jingle boy, your right the US didmake the UK give up alot of its empire, but in exchange for aid after the war. And dop you know what else, its why there are so many problems in Africa today, because the US forced us to pull out so quickly. Because of the fast pace of governments being set up and withdrawal, the governments set up became corrupt very easy. Most African nation were wealfier when they were colonies then they are now. OK at the time we were mistreating them a bit, and alot of resources were exploited for our use, but alot of that and Britains other wealth would filter back down and be used to improve services and infrastructure in these countries. If they were still colonies, all the native people would have equal rights by now and these countries would be enjoying their resources fully, being able to benefit from the wealth and technology of Britain and all the same rights and liberties as British citizens. Chances are these nations would have wanted independence anyway, but it would have been a smoother transition.

I know that the appeasment wasnt a good idea, i dont believe it was a good idea (You see us Brits can admit when our countries in the wrong Jingle) But if we if Britain and France had declared war on Germany 1 year earlier, just 1 year, we would ahve walked all over Germany. (Thats a fact from a new history of the 20th century,"The war of the world")
And the US was alot worse at dealing with Hitler, oh wait, it didnt deal with Hitler, it completely ignored what was happening in Europe, at least we tried to do something.

Jingle you've done nothing but spout anti European crap without giving just cause. We had been having a perfectly reasonable and civil debate about the USA's behaviour until you came along. If you dont have anything constructive to say, dont trash the thread.

by **RCglider** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:38 pm

Originally posted by SavageParrot
You act like it was our war and you didn't need to egt involved. I can see I am gonna have to remind you again that Germany declared war on you not the other way round at that we entered the war in the first place to save poland and that we also didn't need to be involved.

You left us for a whole year while we bled and died ALONE in the face of the Nazis. But no you are right we should definately spend the rest of eternity bowing down in reverence to your magnominity...

Seeing how the UK will be paying off it's war debt to the U.S. by years end, we will suspend bowing for the time being.

Not to rub salt in the wound, but in the words of the now infamous Neville Chamberlain, "This is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. Neville Chamberlain".

One year later:
“This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a final note stating that unless we heard from them by eleven o'clock that they were prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would exist between us. I have to tell you that no such understanding has been received and that consequently this country is at war with Germany.”

by **cavalierlwt** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:41 pm

Russia did the bulk of the fighting. WWII is basically Russia and friends vs Germany.

by **Alofwar** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:42 pm

The US is the most heavily endebted coutnry in the world, it just has just a large econmy it can deal with it. Its thesame for most Developed countries. All heavily in debt, but rich enough to be able to deal with it easily.

by **cavalierlwt** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:51 pm

I'm not so sure about dealing with our debt. At some point, things start to tip over, when people no longer see a point in investing in the US. When that happens, it's like an avalanche.

by **CreepingCharlie** » Mon Jul 24, 2006 5:59 pm

Well that scenario would have only happened if the Luftwaffe had complete air superiority. That means the complete destruction of Dowding's Fighter Command which might have happened if the luftwaffe didn't switch their tatics to attacking cities and instead focus on the airfields, radar stations, and production facilities. So that scenario is complete shit. Invasion would never happend if the Germans didn't have air superiority and all the German branches knew that.

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