Win Vista and DRM

by **LordShard** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:03 am

ANyone know more about this? Supposedly the DRM is built into every layer of the OS, from the intel processor, OS, media players, IE, ect.....

If over time I happen to max out WinXP (YOu can go as high as 4GB but then you have to turn Virtual Memory off. THe COmbined Ram+Vram total cannot be more than 4GB I think. THat doesn't include page files created by an application which will be specific to just that app.)

Maybe Mac will be up to par with the PC world when this happens, but then again maybe Mac will be just as bad or worse. I know the linux world unless you get certain distros would never FORCE drm onto you, but the likelyhood of Linux being a good replacement for office AND gaming PC is slim, even if over the next 10 years.

I've heard allot about people with Win Vista not being able to play their old stuffs because of DRM. And allot of fears concerining like, your boss sends you an Email with the DRM set to not allow ANY reproduction, this includes no printing, PrntScreens, no CC or forward the Email, ect. You do the controversial thing in the Email from yoru boss. Because the Email is also set to require a password which expires you loose the Email and get fired. Or some other nightmare scenario.

I'm just worried about my next PC upgrade which will likely be in a couple years if not sooner. I will likely hit the 4GB ram limit when I do upgrade. (Remember when I originaly got 1.5GB was when 512-724 was considered allot but then I got a super crap CPU. THen I upgraded my CPU as I went.) Does anyone know the Ghz limit for winXP? I remember with Win98SE I was using 512MB(win98SE limit) ram and a 1.6Ghz CPU (Don't know the limit).

by **cavalierlwt** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 4:48 am

I've been crowing about this for months, no one believes me, everyone thinks some 15 year old hacker will write a program that defeats it. It aint gonna happan! This trusted computing platform is going to lock digital media down tighter than a drum. All the big players really got their shit together for this one, it's one big complete solution. It uses hardware based public/private key encrytion that is embedded all the way to the level of OS kernel/mobo hardware level. Data will not flow from point A to point B unless *authorized* by Windows. Viruses will beaten down like it's no tomorrow, but then again Open Source could potentially run into the same problem (sorry, Windows does not recognize this third party software).
Couple this with Hi Def HDMI/HDCP standards where one device won't talk to another device unless they can negotiate a security agreement and you are talking about the complete package. Eventually non-HDCP monitors and TVs will be limited in what resolution (video and audio) they can receive. This also allows for some really neat tricks using 'broadcast flags' do things like allow you to save a audio or video file only for a limited time (check out 5C flags). It will all be introduced in stages over the next ten years or so.

by **PraiseA||ah** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 10:42 am

This is where alternative OS's come in. Linux, here I come.

by **cavalierlwt** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 1:36 pm

This is where alt-OS's could totally make their move. Or Apple OSX could make a move. I know that they are planning on using the TCP hardware to insure that OSX isn't being run on non-Apple branded hardware, but maybe they will choose to totally skip the entire DRM digital lockdown.

by **deathBOB** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 3:41 pm

Get this straight: It isn't necessarily Microsoft deciding to put in these features. Unfortunately, the music and movie industry can dictate what is implemented. They say "put this and this in or our media will not work on your OS" and microsoft (apple also) can't do anything except comply.

You can see this happening with the iTunes music store. Basically the recording industry has dictated to Apple that it must allow variable pricing or no music can be sold.

The amount of power wielded by the recording and movie cartels is disgusting.

by **cavalierlwt** » Sat Dec 03, 2005 5:39 pm

That's exactly it, that's what scary. It isn't M$, it's all the big movers and shakers in the digital media industry. Apple and Linux may be able to ride under their radar, I don't know. The kid who cracked the code on DVDs lived in Norway I believe. He's survived numerous legal challenges, both civil and criminal. If he lived in the US, he'd be jail probably for the rest of his life, his family would ruined financially, probably for the rest of their lives. He would serve as an example of what happens when you cross US big business. And I wouldn't be able to do what am currently doing, which is to rip DVDs that I own, to my mediaPC. I have great doubts that I'll be able to rip HD-DVDS to my mediaPC when that day comes.
There will be at least some hardware makers (based outside the US) that find a profit in not playing by US rules, and some software makers too.
Besides, Windows Vista isn't really offering me a compelling reason to upgrade at this point. I think it's going to fall flat on it's ass as it doesn't look like more than a servies pack anyway.

by **LordShard** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 6:45 am

Who knows. Maybe someone will make a patch so WinXP can use more than 4GB of ram+Vram

by **cavalierlwt** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 10:20 am

MS can stop making security patches for XP, which will eventually force us to upgrade. Oh well, I will keep a second computer with Linux or something on it, rip whatever HD media I want, set whatever flags or headers on it to make it 'neutral' in the eyes of the Windows Vista machine. That will probably be the workaround. The only problem would have to be somehow the hardware makers find a way to keep linux from running without similar DRM measures, which I don't see happening since linux isn't a single company that the media giants can lean on.

by **LordShard** » Sun Dec 04, 2005 3:41 pm

Originally posted by cavalierlwt
MS can stop making security patches for XP, which will eventually force us to upgrade. Oh well, I will keep a second computer with Linux or something on it, rip whatever HD media I want, set whatever flags or headers on it to make it 'neutral' in the eyes of the Windows Vista machine. That will probably be the workaround. The only problem would have to be somehow the hardware makers find a way to keep linux from running without similar DRM measures, which I don't see happening since linux isn't a single company that the media giants can lean on.

Intel chips have DRM built into the processor.

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