Vista: MS vs. Pirates

by **Padre** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:02 pm

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/cnet/2006-10-04-vista-piracy_x.htm

by **Sabres** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:57 pm

"broadly available in January"

that's what I needed to know. Thanks!

by **munky73770** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:23 pm

LOL, we all know that somebody is going to reverse engineer the OS. Not that I will be downloading a hacked version of the software....my ass will wait a good year before buying the product because I am sure it will be really buggy. I will wait till they release a big service pack and then I will go out and purchase it.

by **munky73770** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:24 pm

Oh and not to mention I will also have to buy new dx10 cards....and the I recently (well about 9 months ago) bought two new vid cards, so I am going to get my use out of them before upgrading. *sigh*

by **Darknut** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:35 pm

They did a Vista bench tests for game performance at Anandtech — I think it was Anandtech — and all games ran worse on Vista than XP.

by **jfmaday** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:47 pm

Originally posted by Darknut
They did a Vista bench tests for game performance at Anandtech — I think it was Anandtech — and all games ran worse on Vista than XP.

Thats because you need to test with games coded with and for DX10, testing DX9 games with vista isn't what they are after. Also correct me if I am wrong but i thought Vista was built in a 64-bit environment. Win XP is a 32-bit environment(unless you happened to by that 64 bit version out there). You can't run bench tests on stuff that isn't compatible with everything, and until then all their results will show the same, and that is worse performance. I am going to take a guess and say that testing a DX10 coded game with Vista and a compatible DX10 GPU card, will display results that show prolly the same stability-wise but it will have better visuals and effects than DX9 under WinXP.

Therefore testing say... BF2 (which is DX9 coded) under Vista which is supposed to be using DX10 and you are forcing DX9 to work, then I am not surprised by their findings.

To clarify I know that they have said that Vista will work with DX9, but they did also state that to get the best experience possible then you need a DX10 GPU card.
All-In-All a rather evil scheme if ya ask me.

by **cavalierlwt** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:17 pm

DX10 would be fully backwards compatible, ie, it would not cause DX9 games to run slower. The video drivers and such for Vista are nowhere near as mature as the XP drivers, that would certainly cause a decrease in performance.

by **jfmaday** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 9:35 pm

Originally posted by cavalierlwt
DX10 would be fully backwards compatible, ie, it would not cause DX9 games to run slower. The video drivers and such for Vista are nowhere near as mature as the XP drivers, that would certainly cause a decrease in performance.

Yeah, thats kinda my point, plus there aren't any publicly available DX10 cards yet.... so no real way to truely bench test it.

by **Namloot** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:10 am

Looks to me that a lot of companies are not going to warmly receive King Gates' new BS. Imagine using Vista for your buisness, and being locked out? I can see the lawyers drooling now.

by **SavageParrot** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:13 am

Looks like I am moving to linux then

The only way microsoft could get any gayer would be if they made tight pink leather hotpants their company uniform.

by **CodeRed68** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:53 am

Originally posted by Namloot
Looks to me that a lot of companies are not going to warmly receive King Gates' new BS. Imagine using Vista for your buisness, and being locked out? I can see the lawyers drooling now.

Why would you as a personal user, purchase the new Vista system and not activate it within 30 days? Personally, I would do this as soon as I got home from the store after purchasing it.. mainly due to my own dorky excitement.
If you had a small or even large business/corporation, I would imagine your IT staff would have to get organized to activate all the employees PC's upon installation. I know a lot of times the IT guys would work overnight when upgrading the PC's.

by **SavageParrot** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:32 am

Yeah what about when some smart ass hacker works out how to lock you out using microsofts own security feature. Lets face it it wouldn't be the first time microsofts registration process has been hacked...

I think it's a shit idea. Hell how many fake copies can there be anyway? I know I wouldn't use a fake one and I assume most people are like me, seems to me like they are whining over a tiny percentage of people and using that as an excuse to fuck over the rest of us...

If they want people to register faster then they could add in a little proviso that says they aren't going to seel your personal details to advertising companies for more profit. But they are so they won't. Activation is one thing registration is quite another. I'll happily punch in the 15 digit activation code but I see no reason why I should hand over my life history, personal phone number and email address in order to use something that I paid for. It's not like I owe them a favour.

by **ferret963** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:56 pm

I know, that’s pretty low to use a fake version of Windows any way. Your exactly right parrot, just a small percentage!

by **Padre** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:54 pm

"Copyright infringement of software is extremely common in Mexico, China, Indonesia, Russia, Brazil, United States, and several other parts of the world where it too operates without restraint. However it is illegal and enforced in most western countries. Most countries have laws regarding copyright infringement of software but are poorly enforced."

That's from Wikipedia. I've heard that a lot of the piracy comes from economicly underdeveloped countries, Middle Eastern counties, or just "enemy of America" type countries. Who knows.

There are a number of things I'm concerned about with their new "Anti-Piracy" crap. There have been a number of false positives with their retarded Genuine Advantage program - what's to stop this new system from halting hundreds of legit users in their tracks? I've read that each MS product tacks on another one of these things, so if you have Vista, and Outlook, and Word, and Excel, and Publisher... you're looking at 5 things that are going to contact the MS mothership every time you start them up to make sure you're still using the real thing?

Fuck them. They need a better solution.

by **SavageParrot** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 5:28 pm

Originally posted by Padre
"Copyright infringement of software is extremely common in Mexico, China, Indonesia, Russia, Brazil, United States, and several other parts of the world where it too operates without restraint. However it is illegal and enforced in most western countries. Most countries have laws regarding copyright infringement of software but are poorly enforced."

Yeah but lets face it how many of them would have bought a legal copy anyway? How many could even afford a legal copy? The people who steal the software aren't the people who would have bought it anyway. The way I see it so long as it's just poor people stealing the software why should they care. At least they'll get the sponsorship money when they log onto msn with their stolen copy of windows.

Net profit from not using windows at all = $0
Net profit using a stolen copy of windows, that you wouldn't have paid for, to use other microsoft products = $?

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