Why is the USA attacked by terrorrists?
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Why is the USA attacked by terrorrists?
by Sidekick Floppy » Thu Mar 27, 2003 11:42 am
Well I want to hear some thoughts about this question (see subject). Just wanted to know what the average man thinks. All descent opinions are welcome.
- COL.BUKKAKE
by COL.BUKKAKE » Thu Mar 27, 2003 1:05 pm
I think many Americans have different views on why we were attacked.
The hatred of a capitalistic society, being the big dog in the world, makes it easy for people to have anomosity towards us.
Radical Islam feels they are the one and only true people of Allah and yet the Middle East is stuck in the past, run by ruthless dictators. They see the prosperity that America enjoys, even with our problems, we are as perfect a society can get (2 words-Pam Anderson) and the radical will feed on that.
Imagine you are sitting in the sand no food, no shoes, family memebers jailed for voicing an opinion against the government and some radical cleric shows you a picture of the Oscars. The limosines, the jewelry, the beauty and he tells you that you were meant to destroy the infadels, the sinners, and you shall reap the rewards.
and if thats not it, well then, its gotta be the Jews. Why not, nobody likes the Jews.
The hatred of a capitalistic society, being the big dog in the world, makes it easy for people to have anomosity towards us.
Radical Islam feels they are the one and only true people of Allah and yet the Middle East is stuck in the past, run by ruthless dictators. They see the prosperity that America enjoys, even with our problems, we are as perfect a society can get (2 words-Pam Anderson) and the radical will feed on that.
Imagine you are sitting in the sand no food, no shoes, family memebers jailed for voicing an opinion against the government and some radical cleric shows you a picture of the Oscars. The limosines, the jewelry, the beauty and he tells you that you were meant to destroy the infadels, the sinners, and you shall reap the rewards.
and if thats not it, well then, its gotta be the Jews. Why not, nobody likes the Jews.
- Edogg
by Edogg » Thu Mar 27, 2003 1:52 pm
Originally posted by COL.BUKKAKE
I think many Americans have different views on why we were attacked.
The hatred of a capitalistic society, being the big dog in the world, makes it easy for people to have anomosity towards us.
Radical Islam feels they are the one and only true people of Allah and yet the Middle East is stuck in the past, run by ruthless dictators. They see the prosperity that America enjoys, even with our problems, we are as perfect a society can get (2 words-Pam Anderson) and the radical will feed on that.
Imagine you are sitting in the sand no food, no shoes, family memebers jailed for voicing an opinion against the government and some radical cleric shows you a picture of the Oscars. The limosines, the jewelry, the beauty and he tells you that you were meant to destroy the infadels, the sinners and you shall reap the rewards.
and if thats not it, well then, its gotta be the Jews. Why not, nobody likes the Jews.
that was deep man:D
- {CN}Doomfarer
by {CN}Doomfarer » Thu Mar 27, 2003 7:38 pm
In addition to what Bukkake says (some of which I agree with).
We insist on putting our fingers in way too many countries/international issues. We behave like a rabid democrat in a lot of ways. LET US HELP YOU, WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU...
There is also the whole arms race thing... We won, and now we are stopping the race...
The whole superiority thing we have going on in the world has to put some noses out of joint. I know that that shit pisses me off when I run into people like that. To be the leader of a country, and to have to swallow that crap... Yeah resentment, maybe a blind eye to those who are intent on harming us.
We insist on putting our fingers in way too many countries/international issues. We behave like a rabid democrat in a lot of ways. LET US HELP YOU, WE KNOW BETTER THAN YOU...
There is also the whole arms race thing... We won, and now we are stopping the race...
The whole superiority thing we have going on in the world has to put some noses out of joint. I know that that shit pisses me off when I run into people like that. To be the leader of a country, and to have to swallow that crap... Yeah resentment, maybe a blind eye to those who are intent on harming us.
- BloodBudda
by BloodBudda » Thu Mar 27, 2003 8:05 pm
Terrorism has and will always be the defacto way a government gains control and oppresses its own people.
History teachs us that.
That is all terrorism is. Another method of control.
Fear and ignorance make for a controlled populace. Easy prey for what ever draconian measures desired to be implimented. Keep the masses confused and afraid, they never see what is really happening to their land.
Look around at the rash of anti-terrorism laws passed. I mean actually read them. Then read the Code of Federal Regualtions Title 50. We the people are the enemy. State sponsored terrorism will ensure the populace remains under thumb.
This is goal of terrorism. You can not deny it.
Hitler bombed his political enemies and blamed the Judeans.
Ceasar burned Rome and blamed the Christians.
The only thing new is that which is forgotten.
History teachs us that.
That is all terrorism is. Another method of control.
Fear and ignorance make for a controlled populace. Easy prey for what ever draconian measures desired to be implimented. Keep the masses confused and afraid, they never see what is really happening to their land.
Look around at the rash of anti-terrorism laws passed. I mean actually read them. Then read the Code of Federal Regualtions Title 50. We the people are the enemy. State sponsored terrorism will ensure the populace remains under thumb.
This is goal of terrorism. You can not deny it.
Hitler bombed his political enemies and blamed the Judeans.
Ceasar burned Rome and blamed the Christians.
The only thing new is that which is forgotten.
by bayotanzk » Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:23 pm
Because our country was formed from the decendents of europeans and this turned out to be a better place. LOL
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- Ralph Wiggum
by Ralph Wiggum » Thu Mar 27, 2003 11:15 pm
Well here it is.
http://www.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/cfrassemble.cgi?title=200250
Please point out the offending sections. In case you meant Title 50 of the United States Code, I've included that too. It's a lot more sinister, since it deals with "War and National Defense" instead of "Wildlife and Fisheries."
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/50/toc.html
Blood, I doubt you've ever read any of these things yourself. I think that you have only read some other madman's take on them. Ask yourself this: why would the "secret" government put all of it's plans in public documents? And if you're right, why does everyone think you're crazy if it's right under our noses? (And don't say it's the fluoridated water.)
http://www.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/cfrassemble.cgi?title=200250
Please point out the offending sections. In case you meant Title 50 of the United States Code, I've included that too. It's a lot more sinister, since it deals with "War and National Defense" instead of "Wildlife and Fisheries."
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/50/toc.html
Blood, I doubt you've ever read any of these things yourself. I think that you have only read some other madman's take on them. Ask yourself this: why would the "secret" government put all of it's plans in public documents? And if you're right, why does everyone think you're crazy if it's right under our noses? (And don't say it's the fluoridated water.)
- Xenius
by Xenius » Thu Mar 27, 2003 11:56 pm
I agree with several of these posts. Mainly doomfarers. I think our country dicks around with things they shouldn't. Why the hell should we be "the police of the world"? That just pisses people off more. I think we should be a bit more isolationist.
I don't mean to the extremem of (shit can't remember his name, damned history) in the early 1900's. I think we should let certain fires burn themselves out. Like Israel, they have a big army, they can fend for themselves. If we stopped trying to protect them all the time much of the Arab nation would hate us slightly less.
I don't mean to the extremem of (shit can't remember his name, damned history) in the early 1900's. I think we should let certain fires burn themselves out. Like Israel, they have a big army, they can fend for themselves. If we stopped trying to protect them all the time much of the Arab nation would hate us slightly less.
- El Cid
by El Cid » Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:14 am
Terrorism is not a monolithic thing, like alot of you guys seem to be saying, and by what Floppy implies with "Why do Terrorists Attack the USA?" Osama Bin Laden, was Muslim, but Muslims are not all terrorists, and not all against the USA. Osama Bin Laden was a petty man, with a weak mind, who made a big mistake. He and those Taleban fools, had their own country, where they could safely hide and train their commando losers, without foreign intervention because thats what they wanted to do. I consider him more of a deranged criminal than a fundamentalist Muslim.
So, what I would say is that there are different reasons why some people become terrorists, and why some hate the USA. In terms of Islam, there is a problem we have right now with the Mullahs (the Muslim equiv of preists), who live in these local arab communities, and practice their fundamentalist and patriarchical ways. Hate for the west, and particularly the USA, but also Isreal is basically what these guys preach, because they have a real problem. THeir society has been as defunct as a dead cat for the last 600-700 years, and there's not a damn thing they can do about it. No great intellectuals, no great society, no great economy, nothin, squat, piss poor Arabs moping around the dry frickin useless land. So it's a case of wanting to maintain control over their own people, who want to improve their own lot because they are human, that causes these Mullahs to declare Jihad on the US and thus you have idiots like Osama Bin Laden, and more. Also, neevr underestimate the degree of hatred in these men. I know most of you kids are nice and all, but there are bad people out there, who trully like and get pleasure out of seeing people suffer. Bin Laden and his men wouldn't hesitate a second to gas, or spread deadly viruses on Western countries if they could do it.
But, they underestimated us. Bin Laden had no idea that the USA would go into Afghanistan and take over that country as quick as it did, and with so much force. So that terrorist underestimated us because the Clinton admin was so pussy footed, with the bombing of the US embassy and the USS Cole, they actually thought they would be able to get away with it, and extort us. Never underestimate other peoples stupidity either. (wow my longest post ever, yike s I got to shut the hell up). Goodnite/
So, what I would say is that there are different reasons why some people become terrorists, and why some hate the USA. In terms of Islam, there is a problem we have right now with the Mullahs (the Muslim equiv of preists), who live in these local arab communities, and practice their fundamentalist and patriarchical ways. Hate for the west, and particularly the USA, but also Isreal is basically what these guys preach, because they have a real problem. THeir society has been as defunct as a dead cat for the last 600-700 years, and there's not a damn thing they can do about it. No great intellectuals, no great society, no great economy, nothin, squat, piss poor Arabs moping around the dry frickin useless land. So it's a case of wanting to maintain control over their own people, who want to improve their own lot because they are human, that causes these Mullahs to declare Jihad on the US and thus you have idiots like Osama Bin Laden, and more. Also, neevr underestimate the degree of hatred in these men. I know most of you kids are nice and all, but there are bad people out there, who trully like and get pleasure out of seeing people suffer. Bin Laden and his men wouldn't hesitate a second to gas, or spread deadly viruses on Western countries if they could do it.
But, they underestimated us. Bin Laden had no idea that the USA would go into Afghanistan and take over that country as quick as it did, and with so much force. So that terrorist underestimated us because the Clinton admin was so pussy footed, with the bombing of the US embassy and the USS Cole, they actually thought they would be able to get away with it, and extort us. Never underestimate other peoples stupidity either. (wow my longest post ever, yike s I got to shut the hell up). Goodnite/
- BloodBudda
by BloodBudda » Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:41 am
You are right Title 50 doesn't spell it out, it is jsut the teeth. Let me clarify.
Title 12 USC 95(b) states:
The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March 4, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by section 95a of this title, are approved and confirmed
This in and of itself is meaningless. However when you take it context with the Act of march 9, 1933, Section 2 you get:
"During time of war or during any other period of national emergency declared by the President, the President may, through any agency that be may designate, or otherwise, investigate, regulate, or prohibit, under such rules and regulations as be may prescribe, by means of licenses or otherwise, any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit between or payments to banking institutions as defined by the President and export, hoarding, melting, or earmarkings of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency, by any person WITHIN the United States or ANYPLACE subject to the jurisidiction thereof"
This Act is enforced by title 50 USC and still is in effect thanks to title 12 95(b), basically this means that everytime the government declares a national emergecy or war, it actually goes to war with the citizens of this country.
See Stoehr vs. Wallace 255 US 239 for even further clarification.
In effect
"The President may: Seize property, organize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute Martial Law, seize and control and transportation and communication, regulate operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens". -- Senate Report 93-549; Senate Resolution 9, 93d Congress, 1st. Session (III) 1973
This act has never been repealed nor amended.
"Since March 9th, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency..."
(Senate Resolution 9, 93d. Congress, 1st. Session, Foreward, 1973)
"When Congress declares an emergency, there is no Constitution..." (Congressman Beck,
Congressional Record, Farm Bill, 1933)
You are "enemies of the state" as am I, subject to all acts under Title 50 USC.
Title 12 USC 95(b) states:
The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made, or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary of the Treasury since March 4, 1933, pursuant to the authority conferred by section 95a of this title, are approved and confirmed
This in and of itself is meaningless. However when you take it context with the Act of march 9, 1933, Section 2 you get:
"During time of war or during any other period of national emergency declared by the President, the President may, through any agency that be may designate, or otherwise, investigate, regulate, or prohibit, under such rules and regulations as be may prescribe, by means of licenses or otherwise, any transactions in foreign exchange, transfers of credit between or payments to banking institutions as defined by the President and export, hoarding, melting, or earmarkings of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency, by any person WITHIN the United States or ANYPLACE subject to the jurisidiction thereof"
This Act is enforced by title 50 USC and still is in effect thanks to title 12 95(b), basically this means that everytime the government declares a national emergecy or war, it actually goes to war with the citizens of this country.
See Stoehr vs. Wallace 255 US 239 for even further clarification.
In effect
"The President may: Seize property, organize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute Martial Law, seize and control and transportation and communication, regulate operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens". -- Senate Report 93-549; Senate Resolution 9, 93d Congress, 1st. Session (III) 1973
This act has never been repealed nor amended.
"Since March 9th, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency..."
(Senate Resolution 9, 93d. Congress, 1st. Session, Foreward, 1973)
"When Congress declares an emergency, there is no Constitution..." (Congressman Beck,
Congressional Record, Farm Bill, 1933)
You are "enemies of the state" as am I, subject to all acts under Title 50 USC.
- BloodBudda
by BloodBudda » Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:49 am
Besides the government never makes silent law, yet. They have to keep everything "above board" so as not to raise suspicions. The Federal Register Act saw to that. Every law passed must be published in the Federal Register as notice to the citizenry what is required of them.
However, Patriot 2 may just undermine this.
And yes, I meant Title 50 of the US Code of Federal Regulations.
However, Patriot 2 may just undermine this.
And yes, I meant Title 50 of the US Code of Federal Regulations.
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