those crazy white people...

[Hoog]

wow, if only this were a joke.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/15/whites.only.ap/index.html


"The application for the $250 award requires an essay on "why you are proud of your white heritage" and a recent picture to "confirm whiteness." "

[Xenius]

Originally posted by Hoog
wow, if only this were a joke.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/15/whites.only.ap/index.html


"The application for the $250 award requires an essay on "why you are proud of your white heritage" and a recent picture to "confirm whiteness." "

Hehe, funny stuff.

[shockwave203 Profile]

I can see the point the guy is trying to make...he doesn't want to see racial specific scholarships (even though he recieved one himself...) but when you look at the average black person in some parts of the US, he/she is less privelaged, just like the average first nations person in Canada is less privelaged than white people

[LeVar Burton Profile]

I don't really care about scholarships being given to specific races. They have scholarships for all sorts of people... tall people, fat people, red heads... its up to whoever is putting up the money. The problem is when the schools lower admissions standards for certain minorities. If anything it should only be based on family income.

[Fat Bastard]

I agree with the point the group is making and that is all I'll say on this matter.

[Jim0322 Profile]

Originally posted by LeVar Burton
The problem is when the schools lower admissions standards for certain minorities.

Most universities give "legacy" applicants an advantage over others. Legacy applications are from students whose parents attended that school. Is that fair? (Many things are considered other than race and legacy status)
Jim

[Murgatroyd]

Life isn't fair. You do all these things to make life better for yourself - only to die. Who cares if someone attains an advantage over you - you're both going to rot in the same earth - it's just a difference in coffin.

Edited for spelling mistake.

[Ralph Wiggum]

While legacy admissions aren't necessarily fair, they don't offend the Constitution. The Constitution doesn't say anything about the treatment of alumni and their children, but it does prohibit different treatment on account of race.

[Jim0322 Profile]

Originally posted by Ralph Wiggum
While legacy admissions aren't necessarily fair, they don't offend the Constitution. The Constitution doesn't say anything about the treatment of alumni and their children, but it does prohibit different treatment on account of race.

I have a slight pro-affirmative action preference (and I work for a major public university and am white & male) although I do see both sides of the issue. I have no problem with race being one of the criteria being used in admissions as long as it is not the only/overwhelming factor. In reality, many things are considered - H.S. GPA/ranking, courses taken, test scores, race, extracurricular activities and achievements, legacy status, and other factors.

Jim

[Colonel Ingus Profile]

Actually according to the much ballyhooed recent university in Michigan case you receive more point for being black or Indian (thats American Indian) than you recieve for your GPA and SAT's combined. So Jim there's your overwhelming factor.

I am against any type of racial or sexual profiling. There is no such thing as reverse discrimination. Either you practice discrimination or you don't, it's as simple as that. Reasons behind it don't matter.

I haven't had a single opportunity in my life that isn't available to every single other American. So when someone comes to me and claims I need to allow special privelege to someone else I say "Why? What did they do to earn it?" I served six years thru-out the late eighties and thru Gulf War I. I don't ask for any special treatment for that and I recieve none. The guy next to me at our wage slave crap job served ten years in the army (Gulf I also and was subject to chemical attacks)and he doesn't ask for any special treatments either.

When I am told my great great grandfather owned someone elses great great Grandfather I say WRONG! The only side of my family that was in America during the slave era was in Minnesota busting their own asses on farms trying to make a living. One of whom went and died in the Civil War to free the slaves. Do I deserve special treatment or reperations for all the family members I won't ever have due to that?

How about all those immigrants that came into America after 1865? Do they owe too? I am trying to explain to the Hmong lady that works with me why she owes her tax money to reperations when her family didn't even come to America until 1980. She doesn't get it either. Funny... they earned the right to immigrate to America by their families fighting in the Viet Nam war (And most of the ones doing the fighting died). Her fathers family, her family, and her kids family will have every opportunity me and mine will and she thinks that just fine, no special treatments there.

Now this article is just some republicans pulling a stunt but they are trying to illustrate a point. I don't have to be republican or conservative or "neo-jacobian" to see what they mean. Although I am not in their party or agree with them on a lot of things I don't let that stop me from recognizing a valid point.

[smithpa68 Profile]

Well said Ingus.. as usual. Ever consider a career in writing?

[mattdeez]

I'll second that.

[Ralph Wiggum]

There were two University of Michigan affirmative action cases, one dealing with their law school admissions and the other dealing with their undergraduate admissions. The law school admissions program was upheld by the Supreme Court (damn that Justice O'Connor) while the undergraduate program was found to be unconstitutional. Basically the law school admissions program was a little more subtle and subjective while the undergraduate program was more blatant. Basically you would have to get X number of points in order to be admitted as an undergraduate. Applicants were awarded these points based on various facts and accomplishments. An applicant who was from a benefited minority group would receive more points than someone who received a perfect SAT score. I don't know whether it was more than one would receive for SAT and GPA combined though.

I tend to agree with Thomas (and also with Scalia and Rehnquist) who explained that "The Constitution abhors classifications based on race, not only because those classifications can harm favored races or are based on illegitimate motives, but also because every time the government places citizens on racial registers and makes race relevant to the provision of burdens or benefits, it demeans us all."

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/23jun20031600/www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/02pdf/02-516.pdf

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/23jun20030800/www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/02pdf/02-241.pdf

[TriX Profile]

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
Actually according to the much ballyhooed recent university in Michigan case you receive more point for being black or Indian (thats American Indian) than you recieve for your GPA and SAT's combined. So Jim there's your overwhelming factor.

I am against any type of racial or sexual profiling. There is no such thing as reverse discrimination. Either you practice discrimination or you don't, it's as simple as that. Reasons behind it don't matter.

I haven't had a single opportunity in my life that isn't available to every single other American. So when someone comes to me and claims I need to allow special privelege to someone else I say "Why? What did they do to earn it?" I served six years thru-out the late eighties and thru Gulf War I. I don't ask for any special treatment for that and I recieve none. The guy next to me at our wage slave crap job served ten years in the army (Gulf I also and was subject to chemical attacks)and he doesn't ask for any special treatments either.

When I am told my great great grandfather owned someone elses great great Grandfather I say WRONG! The only side of my family that was in America during the slave era was in Minnesota busting their own asses on farms trying to make a living. One of whom went and died in the Civil War to free the slaves. Do I deserve special treatment or reperations for all the family members I won't ever have due to that?

How about all those immigrants that came into America after 1865? Do they owe too? I am trying to explain to the Hmong lady that works with me why she owes her tax money to reperations when her family didn't even come to America until 1980. She doesn't get it either. Funny... they earned the right to immigrate to America by their families fighting in the Viet Nam war (And most of the ones doing the fighting died). Her fathers family, her family, and her kids family will have every opportunity me and mine will and she thinks that just fine, no special treatments there.

Now this article is just some republicans pulling a stunt but they are trying to illustrate a point. I don't have to be republican or conservative or "neo-jacobian" to see what they mean. Although I am not in their party or agree with them on a lot of things I don't let that stop me from recognizing a valid point.

i have to give you props. pretty much all the forums i attend have had some sort of post about racial disrimination lately. this has been the best reponse i have read in all the threads.

i am white male. i came to the states when i was 13 yrs old. i am currently an american citizen. and i am anti-affirmitive action or any other such program. if you want equality remove such programs.

i worked hard to get a decent score on the GMAT for a good school. should i have to compete with people that have lower grades because they are given a racial privilige?



living a good part of my life i have the benefit of seeing the world through different spectrum. it is getting pretty rediculous whats happening on this side of the world. i can tell you that.