A Canadian "Saving Private Ryan" ???

[cavalierlwt Profile]

We need more "Saving Private Ryan" type movies for the Canadians and the British. Hollywood aims it's movies primarily at it's American audience, so it's it's not a surprise that the movies feature an American point of view. I know this sometimes annoys the British and Canadians to see yet another "Americans win WWII" movie, but in reality the problem (as I see it) is some Canadian or British film companies need to make a few big budget movies featuring Canadian and British storylines. Great Special effects are now achievable and affordable outside of Hollywood (heck, Lord the Ring's special effects are out of New Zealand!) and so much of WWII true stories have been documented, the time is really now. One movie I would like to see done these days on a blockbuster scale: The Battle of Britain! Massive dogfights with Britain all alone against Germany, the pending invasion of England hanging in the balance! A modern day 'Spartans holding the pass at Thermopylae'. The only other recent big budget movie I've seen from another perspective was Enemy at the Gate, and I've yet to see 'Stalingrad'.
So what gives? Do they think the people of Britain , Canada, or the rest of the world aren't interested, or they they would consider it glorifying war?

[SavageParrot Profile]

I'd settle for an American film that was historically correct, unlike The Patriot (Church burning, NEVER HAPPENED you lying b**tards and by the way your lead character was a convicted rapist in real life) or U571 (sorry boys we found the Enigma first it took you another 3 years after we found ours and even then we still did the decoding) or The Great Escape (no american involvement at all in real life) The list goes on...

Then there is Saving Private Ryan whose sole mention of the British is to refer to Montgomery as overrated (this one is true but one reference to us in the whole film amounts to brushing us out of history).

[cavalierlwt Profile]

Exactly why other countries need to make these movies. To the people who made 'The Patriot', the British army was plot device, nothing more. All those points you made are true, they are the result of us running out of "America win WWII" ideas without using true history merely as plot devices, to be manipulated as the director sees fits. Thats why the other sides of the story are begging to be told.

[Dakana]

Hehe... I just realized: in Pearl Harbor, the lead character goes to England and the Eagle Squadron - we see a glimpse of BoB - it seems in that movie they have "American Pilot Saves British!"

[lil_Tigga]

acutully my grand father who serverd in the war told my mother that the british would let the americans fly at night because they were so bad

[SavageParrot Profile]

Originally posted by Dakana
Hehe... I just realized: in Pearl Harbor, the lead character goes to England and the Eagle Squadron - we see a glimpse of BoB - it seems in that movie they have "American Pilot Saves British!"

I nearly walked out when he came out with the 'of course we'd be alright if we had more of your sort fighting for us old chap' line (paraphrased I can't remember the exact line).

As it goes I did walk out 20 minutes later cos the film was shit, but ces la vie eh. What a souless, shamless, inferior remake of Tora, Tora, Tora that film was. It's a shame because it had a really great trailer.

Stalingrad, now that was a good war film!

[Bagginses]

Originally posted by lil_Tigga
acutully my grand father who serverd in the war told my mother that the british would let the americans fly at night because they were so bad

Actually, the British did most of the night bombing because they had the Lancaster which was a superior night bomber than any bomber the US had. The US primarily bombed during the day.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Air_Power/Bombing/AP27.htm

"The United States and Great Britain joined forces to create the Combined Bomber Offensive. The two nations had different bombing approaches. The British preferred to fly under the protection of night. Darkness made exact targeting impossible, so "area bombing"--dropping a large number of bombs within a designated area around a target--was used. The Americans, however, were extremely hesitant to participate in an action that might result in civilian casualties. Also, they possessed the Norden bombsight, which was quicker and more accurate than its predecessors, increasing safety for the bomber crew and improving the effectiveness of the bombs. With the heavy armament of the B-17 Flying Fortresses, the USAAF chose to fly during the day for "precision bombing," hitting specific targets, such as factories or transportation hubs, precisely and with minimal damage to the surrounding area."

-Bagginses

[Evan Profile Website]

Originally posted by SavageParrot
I'd settle for an American film that was historically correct, unlike The Patriot (Church burning, NEVER HAPPENED you lying b**tards and by the way your lead character was a convicted rapist in real life) or U571 (sorry boys we found the Enigma first it took you another 3 years after we found ours and even then we still did the decoding) or The Great Escape (no american involvement at all in real life) The list goes on...

Then there is Saving Private Ryan whose sole mention of the British is to refer to Montgomery as overrated (this one is true but one reference to us in the whole film amounts to brushing us out of history).

If you watched the credits of U-571, it said the movie was based on actual events (after the first Enigma machine was captured).

[SavageParrot Profile]

Re: Uk night raids.

Yeah we were out for blood for the Blitz so we bombed night to minimise the casualties on our side regardless of the civilian cost on the German side, not our finest hour, but then the Germans did there best to flatten Londan as well.

[SavageParrot Profile]

Originally posted by Evan
If you watched the credits of U-571, it said the movie was based on actual events (after the first Enigma machine was captured).

Define actual event then because these are tha facts:

May 9, 1941: Enigma maching and coding documents captured from U-110 b HMS Bulldog and HMS Aubretia of the 3rd Escort Group.
* October 30, 1942: Short weather cipher captured from U-559 by HMS Pertard.
* June 4, 1944: Enigma machine and coding documents captured from U-505 by U.S. Navy Task Force 22.3

U571 wasn't even the right uboat number, the real u571 was in service long after June 1944 and I think may have even lasted out the war.

This is why this film had British people really angry, because we can see that even if it is not accepted as entirely truthful it is accepted as just truthful enough to make it an uphill climb for the real story to be told. U571 was a work of fiction and nothing more.

[Evan Profile Website]

Originally posted by SavageParrot
Define actual event then because these are tha facts:

May 9, 1941: Enigma maching and coding documents captured from U-110 b HMS Bulldog and HMS Aubretia of the 3rd Escort Group.
* October 30, 1942: Short weather cipher captured from U-559 by HMS Pertard.
* June 4, 1944: Enigma machine and coding documents captured from U-505 by U.S. Navy Task Force 22.3

U571 wasn't even the right uboat number, the real u571 was in service long after June 1944 and I think may have even lasted out the war.

This is why this film had British people really angry, because we can see that even if it is not accepted as entirely truthful it is accepted as just truthful enough to make it an uphill climb for the real story to be told. U571 was a work of fiction and nothing more.

Do you believe everything in a movie is correct? U571 could have been just a random number. I like the ring to it actually..

[RCglider Profile]

Originally posted by SavageParrot
I'd settle for an American film that was historically correct, unlike The Patriot (Church burning, NEVER HAPPENED you lying b**tards and by the way your lead character was a convicted rapist in real life) or U571 (sorry boys we found the Enigma first it took you another 3 years after we found ours and even then we still did the decoding) or The Great Escape (no american involvement at all in real life) The list goes on...

Then there is Saving Private Ryan whose sole mention of the British is to refer to Montgomery as overrated (this one is true but one reference to us in the whole film amounts to brushing us out of history).

Maybe you should employ Michael Moore. A few ideas might be:

Bowling for Yorktown
Fahrenheit 1776
King George and Me
Dude, Where's My County?

Just provide the historical facts and he'll distort, take out of context, or flat out lie about anything you want. While you're at it, offer citizenship for him in your country.

[igloo17 Profile]

IMO movies are movies, you want historical facts, try the history channel? just an idea.

[NGame]

I've always had the idea for a Russian WWII film about Sgt. Pavlov and his defense of "Pavlov's House" Play Call of Duty and you'll know what I'm talking about.

[SavageParrot Profile]

Re: Michael Moore
He's welcome here. I've read all his books and I really rather liked them, and 'bowling for columbine' was genius. Can I assume you are not a fan then...