John Edwards for VP?

by **Colonel Ingus** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:26 am

Ah Jimmy, but i don't support Bush and I think I have been clear on that. I support the war in Iraq and on terror. I bashed him on domestic policy, the Department of Homeland Gestapo (as I like to call it) the patriot act, the idiocy of open ended contracts to Haliburton with no bidding. the list goes on.

You on the other hand run a counter argument against anything Bush or conservative, assume instance defensive positions whenever Clinton or Michael Moore, or any liberal is slighted in any way whatsoever. and go off the deep end whenever anyone mentions (the acknowledged by themselves, by the way) liberal media. You find the good in Michael Moore yet to you Rush Limbaugh is a useless idiot. You refuse to concede one iota of good from any of our foreign ventures. again the list goes on.

You know how the mafia gives guy nicknames like Vinnie 'the fish" or Vito 'the gimp"? We should give you one JimmyT

Jimmy "the duck" Tango

by **JimmyTango** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:48 am

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
Ah Jimmy, but i don't support Bush and I think I have been clear on that.

No, not really.

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
You on the other hand run a counter argument against anything Bush or conservative, assume instance defensive positions whenever Clinton or Michael Moore, or any liberal is slighted in any way whatsoever.

I support Clinton and have maintained that, never denied it. Moore, i was the first to say you have to take out all of the liberal BS from his most recent movie,a nd then look at what is rest, which is damning. I am responding(key word here, you never look at what is being responded to, only the response) to those that just say anything Moore says is automaticly false, and that anything Limbaugh says must be proved wrong(you have even been called on this by RC). I have not mentioned any other liberal politician besides Gore, who i said I did not vote for since I did not support him, and Kerry when he was called a 'puss' and could not lead during war time and that Bush was not a puss and could lead. it didn't add up for me. I have also gone on record as not being a Kerry supporter. Oh, i did post in the Edwards thread, but just on the stupidty that he is a Democrat, so he cheats on his wife, not that i support him or not(which, to be honest, I have not listened to him enough to say one way or the other).

Who are these liberals I automaticly defend? I want the threads posted. You claimed it, where are they.

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
and go off the deep end whenever anyone mentions (the acknowledged by themselves, by the way) liberal media.

because it is completely stupid. Last I heard the media as a whole did nto stand up and say 'we are liberal.' I few can claim it, doesn't mean they stand for everyone(come on, you know better).

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
You find the good in Michael Moore yet to you Rush Limbaugh is a useless idiot.

If 'Moore is the other sides version of Limbaugh' is calling him a useless idiot, then yes, I called him it numerous times. If it is not, then I never did. You can define that for me. BTW, each time I have said Moore is the other sides version of Limbaugh, I get jumped on and have demands of at least one lie Limbaugh has ever said. :roll:

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
You refuse to concede one iota of good from any of our foreign ventures.

Please define foreign ventures, as I can think of numerous different things you coudl be talking about, however they are all in different aspects of foreign ventures.

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus

You know how the mafia gives guy nicknames like Vinnie 'the fish" or Vito 'the gimp"? We should give you one JimmyT

Jimmy "the duck" Tango

Ok, so it is personal name calling time now? No problem Colonel "the fuck" Ingus. Or Colonel Anus?

by **Sir Loin** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:58 am

Stop the bickering, stop the hate.....why does every political thread have to end with drama. It makes for good reading, but gets very old after about five hours. So please....this goes to anyone and everyone. Start a thread about something funny or something interesting.......PLEASE!!!

by **RCglider** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:14 pm

Originally posted by JimmyTango
No, not really.

I support Clinton and have maintained that, never denied it. Moore, i was the first to say you have to take out all of the liberal BS from his most recent movie,a nd then look at what is rest, which is damning. I am responding(key word here, you never look at what is being responded to, only the response) to those that just say anything Moore says is automaticly false, and that anything Limbaugh says must be proved wrong(you have even been called on this by RC). I have not mentioned any other liberal politician besides Gore, who i said I did not vote for since I did not support him, and Kerry when he was called a 'puss' and could not lead during war time and that Bush was not a puss and could lead. it didn't add up for me. I have also gone on record as not being a Kerry supporter. Oh, i did post in the Edwards thread, but just on the stupidty that he is a Democrat, so he cheats on his wife, not that i support him or not(which, to be honest, I have not listened to him enough to say one way or the other).

Who are these liberals I automaticly defend? I want the threads posted. You claimed it, where are they.

because it is completely stupid. Last I heard the media as a whole did nto stand up and say 'we are liberal.' I few can claim it, doesn't mean they stand for everyone(come on, you know better).

If 'Moore is the other sides version of Limbaugh' is calling him a useless idiot, then yes, I called him it numerous times. If it is not, then I never did. You can define that for me. BTW, each time I have said Moore is the other sides version of Limbaugh, I get jumped on and have demands of at least one lie Limbaugh has ever said.

Please define foreign ventures, as I can think of numerous different things you coudl be talking about, however they are all in different aspects of foreign ventures.

Ok, so it is personal name calling time now? No problem Colonel "the fuck" Ingus. Or Colonel Anus?

I could care less what anyone thinks of Rush Limbaugh, really. Some people think Michael Jordan wasn't that great of a basketball player. Whatever. There's a huge difference between opinion/commentary and flat out lies. All I asked was how could anyone compare Rush Limbaugh to Michael Moore and Nazi propagandists.

Michael Moore is a liar and a danger to our country. He hates America, Americans and our way of life, and he's a hypocrite.
http://www.defenddemocracy.org/in_the_media/in_the_media_show.htm?doc_id=231494&attrib_id=7378

I'd like to know what part(s) of FH911 you believe are factual. How can you discern fact from fiction without researching it when you know he's lying? Are you even willing to admit he purposely LIED in order to deceive viewers?

Just the facts Maam.

by **JimmyTango** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:35 pm

Saying Moore is a danger because his movie will play onver in the middle east is just plain stupid. Guess what? They have the internet there. They can get western newspapers, watch our TV and news programs from there. Yet somehow, Moore will fire up the terrorists? Come on.........

You are more than happy to claim anything that rips on, lets say F 9-11, as 'facts' without researching it, yet demand to know 'facts' from that very movie and how I can tell fact from fiction. Bit of a hypocrite yourself, huh?

"Are you even willing to admit he purposely LIED in order to deceive viewers? "

He does what Limbaugh does, omits what hurts his view point. I have stated that numerous times.

by **Colonel Ingus** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:40 pm

Where are the posts? How about the one we are one. You respond in what appears to be a liberal stance and then claim, Just because everything I say and do seems liberal it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm liberal.

How about the thread the other day that we were both posting in where I lambasted you for using unsubstaniated (and probably false) quotes in your sig and how you should use something real like the Haliburton contract. How about your Moore brings up some good points and asks some good questions. We should pay attention to some of the questions he asks. You didn't sound like you were saying anyything about seperating BS in your comments. I haven't heard you say anything of that nature about Rush? I'll freely admit I call him a useless idiot just like I do Moore. You equivocate and defend Moore while condemning Limbaugh.

You are dead right on how not all the media has a liberal bias! Fox freely admits they have a conservative bias!

As far as the foreign ventures pick one, just one, that you can say something good about. Iraq, Afghanistan, Aids relief in Africa (which I personally am against), anything.

And watch the front page. I am going to drag back up a thread I started last week bashing Bush with some new info.

Do me a favor here and don't take this as an insult or an attack. I want to seriously ask you this. Do you see yourself as not being liberal. I can only judge you from what you write here and I'll admit (and I think some others would agree) you do come across with a liberal attitude. I am not saying there is anything wrong with that if its true or that you don't have the right to express that viewpoint. Again I am not insulting you here. I know some of my posts come across as extremely conservative, which I am not. I'm just curious, are we taking what you are saying wrong? Offerred seriously as constructive criticism here, perhaps some different phrasing in your postings and we wouldn't make such assumptions.

by **JimmyTango** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:40 pm

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
Where are the posts? How about the one we are one. You respond in what appears to be a liberal stance and then claim, Just because everything I say and do seems liberal it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm liberal.

Quote what part of any post in this thread that shows my support for Edwards. How am I being a liberal for disliking Bush? I mean, I know card carrying Republicans that hate him as our President and they are voting Kerry so Bush doesn't get back in. Are they now liberals, too?

Go back and read my last post. I freely admit to bashing Bush, but I do not bash his party. In this thread I am once again bashing Bush, which I freely admit to.

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
How about the thread the other day that we were both posting in where I lambasted you for using unsubstaniated (and probably false) quotes in your sig and how you should use something real like the Haliburton contract.

Once again: Go back and read my last post. I freely admit to bashing Bush, but I do not bash his party. In this thread I am once again bashing Bush, which I freely admit to.

Please explain how bashing Bush = you are a liberal.

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
How about your Moore brings up some good points and asks some good questions. We should pay attention to some of the questions he asks. You didn't sound like you were saying anyything about seperating BS in your comments.

Direct Quote of me from the Unfairenheit 9/11 thread:

Originally posted by JimmyTango
Like his other work, it is heavily sided to his views(he will show soldiers against the war but not those for it). That being said, there is a lot about this movie where the facts can not be disputed.

In other occasions, I call it 'liberal thumping'.

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus

I haven't heard you say anything of that nature about Rush?

If I say Rush is the same as Moore, and I have already said it about Moore, then I am saying it about Rush. I also, BTW, have never started threads or participated in threads in ranting against Rush.

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus

You equivocate and defend Moore while condemning Limbaugh.

Like posted above, I have never participated in ripping on Rush, like going to some small website that lists problems with Rush and pasting them here as if they are 100% factual.

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus

Do you see yourself as not being liberal. I can only judge you from what you write here and I'll admit (and I think some others would agree) you do come across with a liberal attitude. I know some of my posts come across as extremely conservative, which I am not. I'm just curious, are we taking what you are saying wrong?

Last post to you i said there is a key word, it is responding. One problem is some of you never read the quoted material. You can read a response and get one meaning out of it, but when you look at what is being responded to, then read the response, you should get what the poster's meaning is. More than once, what I had posted was repeated back to me because the poster did not read what I was responding to, only what I had typed.

Also, since I am replying to posts strictly one sided and disagreeing with certain aspects(Bush in general), then I get automaticlly lumped into the 'liberal' catergory.

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus

As far as the foreign ventures pick one, just one, that you can say something good about. Iraq, Afghanistan, Aids relief in Africa (which I personally am against), anything.

Iraq? Lied to get in there. Goes against the very fabric of our system. Saddam needed to be out of power, but we are in for the wrong reasons, and just because we are in there and he is out of power does not make it right.

Afghanistan? A mess. The War in Iraq has left us short manned in Afghanistan and it shows in how much territory we have given back to the real terrorists.

Aids relief in Africa? 50/50. Something has to be done, but how to you get a nation of horney people to stop humping without condoms when they do not want to be educated on it?

N Korea(not mentioned)? The single biggest threat to us and we do nothing, yet go after the least threatening country of the 'axis of evil' list.

by **RCglider** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:46 pm

Originally posted by JimmyTango
Saying Moore is a danger because his movie will play onver in the middle east is just plain stupid. Guess what? They have the internet there. They can get western newspapers, watch our TV and news programs from there. Yet somehow, Moore will fire up the terrorists? Come on.........

You are more than happy to claim anything that rips on, lets say F 9-11, as 'facts' without researching it, yet demand to know 'facts' from that very movie and how I can tell fact from fiction. Bit of a hypocrite yourself, huh?

"Are you even willing to admit he purposely LIED in order to deceive viewers? "

He does what Limbaugh does, omits what hurts his view point. I have stated that numerous times.

I provided facts that refute Moore, some of which I know personally as he is from my area. I cited the sources, which most reasonable people would agree are reliable. Some are from the Left. However, we're not dealing with a reasonable mature person in you.

No, Limbaugh doesn't do the same thing as Moore. He is admittingly a Conservative that generally votes Republican. Yet I've heard him lambast Republicans many times on various issues. He's never made a book or movie like Moore's. They are in no way the same. Moore lies with no apology.

Simple examples of viewpoints vs facts vs distortion vs lies:
Viewpoint: I think high taxation is good.
Viewpoint: I think low taxation is good.
Viewpoint: I think no taxation is good.
Viewpoint: I think others should pay my way through life.
Distortion of the truth: tax cuts for the rich are on the backs of the poor.
Distortion of the truth: the rich don't pay their fair share of taxes.
Fact: 50% of the top wage earners pay 96% of the tax burden.
Lie: Only the rich got tax cuts.

You actually believe a movie like FH911 has no negative impact when shown to audiences that aren't informed? How can you say with a straight face those countries' largess of the population have the same access to information we do? Europe and Canada don't even have freedom of the Press; they have a tightly controlled media that is very much slanted to the Left. Fox is not available in Canada, correct me if I'm wrong. They don't have freedom of speech or religion either; there are many examples. But hey, they can smoke pot without fear of retribution.

Iraqis, only since WE made it possible, can have access to the outside world and absorb information on an unprecedented level of freedom. WE did that.

I have known for years it's futile to have logical discussions with Liberals in hopes of persuading them with facts and straight talk, yet I never learn.

Even when Ingus and me have our spats, I know at the end of the day it's just a discussion. Live and let live. Trying to reason with you is like pulling teeth out of a wounded bear.

by **JimmyTango** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:54 pm

Originally posted by RCglider
However, we're not dealing with a reasonable mature person in you.

Originally posted by RCglider

I have known for years it's futile to have logical discussions with Liberals in hopes of persuading them with facts and straight talk, yet I never learn.

And you are a 'resonable mature person.' :lol:

by **Colonel Ingus** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:04 pm

I don't know Jimmy, but he is right. We may see things a little differently but we don't respond with vitriol and blanket statements that are poorly substantiated. Or blithely dismiss anything put up counter to our argument as propaganda and lies.

You'll notice I haven't been throwing up facts and quotes from Rush against him. Not because there aren't any out there (I know where a few are) but because I freely admit I have a personal dislike for Limbaugh and know that would color any rational discussion we could have.

Something to think about there huh Jimmy?

by **COL.BUKKAKE** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:17 pm

Originally posted by JimmyTango
They have the internet there. They can get western newspapers, watch our TV and news programs from there. Yet somehow, Moore will fire up the terrorists? Come on.........

So you are saying our media, newspapers and such, are so left leaning that it can actually help fire up the terrorists?

Please pick a side man, your posts are like watching a tennis match.

by **JimmyTango** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:24 pm

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
I don't know Jimmy, but he is right. We may see things a little differently but we don't respond with vitriol and blanket statements that are poorly substantiated. Or blithely dismiss anything put up counter to our argument as propaganda and lies.

Something to think about there huh Jimmy?

Yes, it is something big to think about.

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus

we don't respond with vitriol

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
Jimmy "the duck" Tango

Or:

Originally posted by RCglider
we're not dealing with a reasonable mature person in you.

I have known for years it's futile to have logical discussions with Liberals in hopes of persuading them with facts and straight talk, yet I never learn.

Trying to reason with you is like pulling teeth out of a wounded bear.

Get over yourself. How in the hell could you think your shit does not stink?

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus

Or blithely dismiss anything put up counter to our argument as propaganda and lies.

Propaganda and lies? Please right now, find that thread and quote me saying this. Besides third rate websites claiming we found a stock pile of WMD(when the leaders tht badly need to find them for PR say otherwise), I have nto called any of someone's 'factual' posts lies or propaganda. In fact, I do not even reply to them. Why? It is not hard to find good webpages that will support the other sides views. It really isn't.

This is what I get slung at me('lies and propaganda'), not what i sling at others.

by **JimmyTango** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:27 pm

Originally posted by COL.BUKKAKE
So you are saying our media, newspapers and such, are so left leaning that it can actually help fire up the terrorists?

Please pick a side man, your posts are like watching a tennis match.

Did I say our media 'and such' is left leaning? no, then do not put words into my post that were not there, and then reply to basically your own post.

by **Colonel Ingus** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:37 pm

Or blithely dismiss anything put up counter to our argument as propaganda and lies.

Not going to go into how you misquote.

I actually believe this one was an error but that was me and not RC.

The duck comment was a joke, sorry if you misinterpreted it. But you gotta admit your response was pretty harsh. i wll be more careful in the future to emphasize the humor portion with a smiley or something.

And you do keep making a very interesting point. You may have started posts in the past and I can't readily recall them, but you point out how your comments are always responses to what others post. I believe that.

Perhaps if you started threads of your own and forwarded positions that you believe in, instead of constantly playing devil's advocate to everything others say, we could have a more mature and rational discussion on topics.

by **COL.BUKKAKE** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:40 pm

Originally posted by JimmyTango
Saying Moore is a danger because his movie will play onver in the middle east is just plain stupid. Guess what? They have the internet there. They can get western newspapers, watch our TV and news programs from there. Yet somehow, Moore will fire up the terrorists? Come on.........

I'll repost your quote, would you agree that Moore is extremely left leaning (practically hangin on Communist coattails), then if you agree to that, according to your post, the terrorists dont need Moore's movie, since they have our Media (which must be just as bias and Liberal and omit some truth to get viewers, or depict the views of the owners and so forth) available to fire them up, as you say.

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