Scary Trends in Canada

Originally posted by JimmyTango
I am sorry that someone who does nto see eye to eye with you means they 'hate America.' It is pathetic that you, and others here, constantly resort to these childish and ignorant tactics.


Lets just take Moore for a second. How many have seen his movie? That isn't enough of a clue to possible make you think there is a large basis of Americans getting tired of the bullshit?

Not seeing eye to eye is one thing......you bash.

No I'm not surprised at how much it has made, hell I bet the Teachers Union bought out most of the tickets for its members.

[RCglider]

Originally posted by shockwave203
atleast Canadian teens have an opinion of America. I doubt many teens south of the border would even be able to name 4 Canadian provinces

I take issue with that statement! I doubt many teens south of your border could name 4 of their own states! I won't comment on the general state of our publik edukashun system of this country in this thread.

Now for the other stuff.

So, can we assume from the poll that parents have no role in shaping their children's view of the U.S. or does the government (i.e. schools, politicians/bureaucrats) and news media take care of that for them? Do Canadians believe parents have rights to raise their children outside of government indoctrination? I hope so.

I am more interested in responses concerning how Americans have given more to the world in food, clothing, medicine, money, protection, blood, etc. etc. etc. than all countries of the world combined. It's not a matter of bragging rights, it's to do with defending ourselves from unfounded attacks by other countries who were supposedly our "friends". It seems to me it's more simply a matter of human nature; jealousy.

Now that it's been established that France, Germany, Russia, China and certainly others were in on the U.N. "oil for food" scam, not to mention illegal weapons deals, maybe Canada was in on it too? It's a legitimate inquiry since our integrity is always questioned.

I never had a negative opinion of Canada (have been there many times), but with the ever increasing 'blame America first' mentality growing there, when America is attacked, I will respond, sometimes with sarcasm if warranted.

What's especially puzzling, even humorous to me, is the preaching we get from Canadians about freedom of speech and censorship, when:
A) Based on posts here, Canadians (and many Americans) can't seem to discern the difference between government sponsored suppression of political/religious speech and the rights of private business/citizens to censor whatever they want.
B) Canadians should know what their rights are and what would happen should they violate their politically correct laws. It's happening in America, but not at such an accelerated rate. It may be a good idea to research exactly what rights you have and don't have.
C) Americans are born with certain inalienable rights (God given (secularists hate that fact)), citizens of other countries are not.

So, I have no disdain for my Canadian friends up north or out east, but if you're going to attack us, expect a response. Don't Tread On Me.

BTW, France sucks.

[shockwave203]

Originally posted by RCglider
So, I have no disdain for my Canadian friends up north or out east, but if you're going to attack us, expect a response. Don't Tread On Me

Funny, seems you and a few other people are the only ones creating these types of threads. You created this one, so you should expect the response.

There's a belief that there is a huge anti-american attitude up here, and you're wrong. It's mainly anti-bush. Remembering directly after sep11, do you think you could have found an ounce of hate for anyone in the US? hell no. Everyone's thoughts and prayers were with you guys. We supported the attack in Afghanistan, and we continue to have soldiers in that country. When Bush went on his escapade in Iraq, trying to drum up support for Iraq, things started to get cold. We said no, we were critisized for saying no.

Two liberal MP's made unwarranted remarks (one called bush a moron, the other said she hated those "American bastards" and the cold relationship got colder. Chretien and Bush were never close, and when Bush canceled his visit to Ottawa in the light of anti-war attitude up here, things got worse.

It was and still is political issues which are driving wedges between our countries. We don't hate americans, atleast I dont. Hell, we're basically the same type of people anyway. Same culture, same values and beliefs, we look identical...it's been political screw up (a lot of it has been on our part, and I admit that).

Now we have same sex marriage causing an issue, decriminalizing pot, etc. We're two different countries making different decisions, and because of that we're not getting any closer. I can only hope that in the future, we'll be able to get past stupid things like this and act like friends for once.

[RCglider]

Originally posted by JimmyTango
I am sorry that someone who does nto see eye to eye with you means they 'hate America.' It is pathetic that you, and others here, constantly resort to these childish and ignorant tactics.


Lets just take Moore for a second. How many have seen his movie? That isn't enough of a clue to possible make you think there is a large basis of Americans getting tired of the bullshit?

You're right. We are tired of MooreOns.

And yes, I have seen the movie. Aside from that FACT it's full of lies and distortions, it does have a comedic ring to it.

Lie #1: Fox News reported Bush won when 'everyone else' reported Gore did. 100% false.

Shall I continue?

[Colonel Ingus]

Yeah JimmyT way to only point out what supports your assertion and ignore anything contrary to it. Liberals...sheesh

And shockwave is correct. Canadian troops did do work in Afghanistan although I personally am unaware wether or not they currently maintain a presence.

You don't see any Germans, French, or Russians supporting us in Iraq.

Of course that brings up a very important points in Canada's favor. Canada's stance actually seemed to be based on principle rather than cash/corruption.

I can respect Canada.

or my response to Tommy

to say that we should do what the US does is like saying that the US should do what Mexico does...policy based solely on geography makes no sense...we need more partnerships, but have to maintain our own soverignity as an independent nation.

to which I said

I couldn't agree more Tommy.

or the post that you so thoroughly misunderstood which also said

All of which I have no problem with and it doesn't lower my opinion of Canada or Canadians at all. You have your own nation and can do want you please. Look what blind support to neighbors did for Europe in WWI.

That post was stating why Canada is not be subject to terrorist actions like the kidnappings. Since Canada doesn't support us in our actions that are causing the incidents I mentioned they are not subject to it are they?

It was an observation and hearty good job to them. Why the hell should they be a target when they oppose our policy in Iraq on a national level.

Originally posted by shockwave203


There's a belief that there is a huge anti-american attitude up here, and you're wrong. It's mainly anti-bush.

Negative.... I am American and spend much time in Canada (Ontario exclusively). Don't tell me that there isn't a huge anti-american attitude up there when I see it and hear it with my own eyes and ears. But I give you all credit, at least you don't hide it.

As far as the French go...... Well I've heard enough Canadian jokes about there neighbors in Quebec to know that you are far more critical of the French then we are.

But besides......If it wasn't for the sacrifices of the US and Canada, the French would be speaking German now. So I guess we both have earned the right to be critical of the French.

BTW......Have you ever been to France? It's beautiful, but I highly recommend you don't go. If you think we treat the French poorly, you should see how they treat us! Good luck if you ever go...... I suggest you travel only during the day and lock the doors at night. Once they hear your accent, you are in trouble. Unless you throw an Eh after every sentence.

I've been to Canada twice in the past few years and lived in France for three months. As an American. Everyone we met was friendly, there were no political outbursts and my family did not recieve a SINGLE negative remark.

But according to you, shouldn't they have been throwing insults at us and drawing swastikas on our door?

[Colonel Ingus]

Well, they are spitting at Lance Armstrong on the tour.

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/2593080

[Pierce]

He says that them spitting gives him motivation which is great. He is truely amazing and only has one ball from his cancer. The people spitting at him are just bums who are jealous that Mr. American is probably going to win for the what, 6th time. Amazing.

Originally posted by cashcow
I've been to Canada twice in the past few years and lived in France for three months. As an American. Everyone we met was friendly, there were no political outbursts and my family did not recieve a SINGLE negative remark.

But according to you, shouldn't they have been throwing insults at us and drawing swastikas on our door?

Right...... you've been to Canada twice...... I am sure that you know more from those two visits than I have learned in the 8 or so years combined that I have spent up there. Yeah, I guess I'll take your word for it.

Again, I only said this on things that I have seen... and things that I have heard... my experiences.... I am glad everyone was nice to you, but I hardly doubt that in your 2 trips there, you were able to meet a vast majority of citizens. I am sure you ventured into a few shops during your visit where, of course, the people will be nice for they want you to spend money in their places of business. Now spend some time at a local bar, take a seat, and listen to what you hear people say. You'd be surprised at the animosity towards the average, everyday person from south of the border.

BTW...... I also own property in Canada.... as well as pay taxes. But I wouldn't know a thing about the residents up there compared to your 2 trips...

back at you

Great..... spitting at Lance..... And they boo in Quebec at the national anthem of a children's hockey game.

These are my points..... and some of you say we are the ones that treat people poorly.

[shockwave203]

yeah, that was pretty bad what they did in quebec. booing childrens hockey game- you can't get much lower than that.

many quebecers have a low opinion of the rest of canada, let alone the US.

[Colonel Ingus]

Its those damn French!:D (hides from Darth Chacal)

Originally posted by CJ1
Right...... you've been to Canada twice...... I am sure that you know more from those two visits than I have learned in the 8 or so years combined that I have spent up there. Yeah, I guess I'll take your word for it.

Again, I only said this on things that I have seen... and things that I have heard... my experiences.... I am glad everyone was nice to you, but I hardly doubt that in your 2 trips there, you were able to meet a vast majority of citizens. I am sure you ventured into a few shops during your visit where, of course, the people will be nice for they want you to spend money in their places of business. Now spend some time at a local bar, take a seat, and listen to what you hear people say. You'd be surprised at the animosity towards the average, everyday person from south of the border.

BTW...... I also own property in Canada.... as well as pay taxes. But I wouldn't know a thing about the residents up there compared to your 2 trips...

back at you

In case you didn't notice, that was just a side-statement for my argument. I'd love to see you back up your attack on France. Really. Go.

What time have you spent in France? Did you have any doors to "bolt shut"? I can say to you that I've spent an accumulated 6 or 7 months living in that country, meeting and working with hundreds of Frenchmen, all of whom were welcoming and kind. There was no visible anti-American atmosphere anywhere I stayed (which ranged from my apartment in Nancy to Caen to Nice).

Of course, you can point out the recent wave of anti-semitism throughout France, and I can point out that those acts have been committed generally by Muslims, most of which were most likely not even born in France. I don't know about you, but I have a hard time labeling France as an anti-American/anti-Semitic stronghold because of some snide remarks and a few North Africans who aquired working papers and decided to attack Jews.

Don't you think there's a problem here if the majority of the world (including our allies) thinks that our country is evil? Why aren't they embracing our melting pot of freedom and bliss? Do they all just "not understand"?

Off Topic: le Tour de Lance

Pierce said:"The people spitting at him are just bums who are jealous that Mr. American is probably going to win for the what, 6th time. Amazing."

I've been following Le Tour for a couple of days, and what I'm seeing on the television is the same thing you see EVERY year. Cheering people with flags, running beside their favourite person, yelling, etc.
I really hate it when somebody is doing a great performance (Lance Armstrong...I admire him + the other 150 men who give their best shot) and the croud are trying to 'stop' him from doing that. Everytime when somebody is cycling trough
the croud I'm allways afraid that somebody push him off his bike.
But now about the spitting part:
I don't really think it's because people are jealous. Why do you think they are jealous?
Maybe I am just imagining it, but when an American is performing really well, and the 'just Europeans' are BOOing, somehow Americans allways think we are jealous.
What I think that is really happening is much more simple:
they are yelling "boo", or spitting, or whatever they do, is because they don't want him to win. "Not to win" in the sentence of: we are supporting (e.g Ullrich), and not you.
Has nothing to do wheter or not Lance is an American.
Same thing when you are in a football stadium. If your team got ass whooped, and you are close to the other team when they walk by, you'd probable curse at them, or throw your Coca Cola or hotdog at them.
Just my opinion