Another woman getting tasered video

by **Rand0m** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:24 pm

She was distraut before they came. She bit her husband or boyfriend. You can't risk getting bit by her, she could have HIV/AIDs.

by **[ecgn] btt** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 3:44 pm

One thing I think you are all missing is this. Its just a clip of the whole event. How long were the cops there befor the film starts? What was the situation when the arrived. Was the women in the car the whole time? Did she get in the car why the cops were there? I don't wanna make a judgement on if the use of the tazer was right or wrong unless I have all the information.

by **PraiseA||ah** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:22 pm

Common sense? Are you living in the Dark Ages? Do you not know that the human body operates via electric impulses? Do you not think that for a sizeable portion of the population disrupting that electrical system is potentially deadly? Do I really need to google it or are we ok on assuming it is not an entirely safe practice and that tasering is inherintly risky to the victim.

http://news.channels.netscape.ca/news/article.adp?id=20050822182009990004
http://www.politics.co.uk/issueoftheday/crime-and-society-foundation-tasers-have-no-place-in-modern-policing-$7199478.htm (Granted. It's from the UK)

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2005/05/30/m1a_taser_0530.html

by **Ldsmith104** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:26 pm

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
It's not safe to do so..

Where are you getting this information?

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
It is not ok to tazer someone because they won't listen.

It is when you don’t comply with a reasonable request made by a law enforcment officer.

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
There was no threat from her.
There was no weapon on her

How do you know she is not a threat?
Did I miss the part when she was searched. Everyone has a weapon on them until proven otherwise.

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
Punishable by death? Adjudicated by the police officer and then carried out by him as well? Or is a Court of Law in that process somewhere?

Taser don’t kill you.

Originally posted by ZRX 1200
The woman was indeed resisting arrest, however in the beginning she seemed mostly cooperative. They unlocked the door on the other side and asked her to open her door which she does. At that point, I think the black officer aggrevates the situation by grabbing her wrist, as if to yank her out of the car. I think that was uncalled for.

If I was in a car with the intent to get out and someone grabbed my wrist, I would feel threatened. I don't honestly think the officer wanted to yank her out, but he certainly wasn't offering a helping hand. So what was his intent?

My conclusion is that the officers created a situation where tasing the woman became necessary. The officer on the passenger side had a "give me a reason to taze you" attitude which escalated the situation.

He was arresting her, how do you know if given enough room she wouldn’t have took off running, or worse got back in the vehicle and took off putting others lives at stake

Originally posted by cavalierlwt
He didn't tase her as punishment for a crime. He tased her to force her to comply with his instructions. When the officer said "put you hands behind your back", he was arresting her. She pulled away, and started arguing her case. Well, regardless of threat, or lack threat, he has a few options:

1) Grapple with her, wrestle her down and handcuff her.
2) Tase her until she complies, puts her hands behind her back.
3) Stand there and argue with her.

Option 2 also has the risk of the suspect getting the officers mace, gun, flashlight and use that as a weapon against a cop.

Criminals actually train to take a weapon from a cop.

Originally posted by Rand0m
She was distraut before they came. She bit her husband or boyfriend. You can't risk getting bit by her, she could have HIV/AIDs.

So we know that she will get violent…

by **EZC** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:03 pm

Electric shocks can kill you and yes they are dangerous if not use properly. One thing you have to remember though is that cops test these weapons on themselves. They know how it feels to get shocked and they know its a last resort. It is law to conform to what an officer says in regards to not only his/her safety but of the suspects safety also. PraiseAllah if you dont like what happens then tuff. Run for president or congress and get it changed but until then realize its the law and its there to protect you.

by **SavageParrot** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:09 pm

Seems harsh to me she acting like a child that's for sure but she's clearly not armed and wouldn't have been to hard to restrain without the tazer. An over-reaction by a policeman with his latest toy if you ask me.

by **SkiloDog2000** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:10 pm

how could a tazer kill somthing that ugly
sheel be fine

by **SavageParrot** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:20 pm

She'd be fine if he had punched her in the face as well, it doesn't make it right...

by **SkiloDog2000** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:50 pm

well, thats what i wouldve done but, hey im not a cop

by **PraiseA||ah** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:59 pm

Tasers were sold to law enforcement as an alternative to deadly force. They were not sold to them to be used when someone wouldn't comply. They have become, as is demonstrated in far too many well publicized cases, more commonly used as just that. Won't get out of the car fast enough? Taser. A 5 year old child won't respond to me and says, 'No!'? Taser. Your grandma not hearing too well? Taser that bitch. She'll listen fine then.
The issue is they are using a tool the wrong way.
As far as tasering people who aren't complying with an officer's requests in something like a traffic stop. That is simply put, an excessive use of force. Period.

Oh, I forgot this point too. A police officer is supposed to be in decent shape for starters. On average, I would say police are in far better shape than the rest of the population. That is not addressing the long-term health affects either, of which there is no data available to say either way. Maybe a percentage of those tasered now have arythmic heartbeats... Maybe they just gave that unborn child a labotomy with that shock therapy. Who cares? Their mom should have gotten out of that damn car 5 seconds faster!

For those of you who have trouble distinguishing heavy sarcasm.. That's what I just used.

by **Namloot** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:20 pm

Originally posted by RCglider
Billy clubs make for much better drama.

Wanna bet you don't have to get out your car when told? And no, you don't have to be arrested first.

Personally, I think they were way too patient.

Rodney King ended clubbings.

by **Stl Lunatic** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:40 pm

Thats kind of stupid to use a taser...Its really not nessisary in any situation...that lady wasnt going anywhere she was just talking alot...

Electricity to put people to death or restrain is wrong in my oppinion...

by **Ldsmith104** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:44 pm

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
Common sense? Are you living in the Dark Ages? Do you not know that the human body operates via electric impulses? Do you not think that for a sizeable portion of the population disrupting that electrical system is potentially deadly? Do I really need to google it or are we ok on assuming it is not an entirely safe practice and that tasering is inherintly risky to the victim.

This study confirmed the cardiac safety of an experimental NMI (Neuromuscular incapacitation) device emulating the performance of commercially used devices. An NMI discharge that could induce VF (ventricular fibrillation) required 15-42 times the charge of the standard NMI discharge.

http://www.bestnc.com/Taser/PACE_Dr_McDaniel_Rpt.pdf

Originally posted by EZC
One thing you have to remember though is that cops test these weapons on themselves. They know how it feels to get shocked and they know its a last resort.

Three agencies here that carry tasers; State Police (Highway Patrol), City Police, and County Police (Deputy Sheriff) Each individual officer is required to be maced before being allowed to carry mace, as well as tased before being able to carry a taser.

Originally posted by SavageParrot
but she's clearly not armed

How do you know this, she has not been searched???

BTW the first duty of any public safety personel is to come home… period.

by **Camel toe joe** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:02 pm

I remember my grandmother hitiing me with a wooden spoon wheni wouldn't listen...once it actually broke when she hit me and i started cracking up, and she started to cry... saying that i was bad and wouldn't listen to her..so in the end i felt really bad and listened to her... I don't remember what i was doing but it probably envolved me kicking my little brothers ass..

just thought i'd share that with you

by **Stl Lunatic** » Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:16 pm

Originally posted by Camel toe joe
I remember my grandmother hitiing me with a wooden spoon wheni wouldn't listen...once it actually broke when she hit me and i started cracking up, and she started to cry... saying that i was bad and wouldn't listen to her..so in the end i felt really bad and listened to her... I don't remember what i was doing but it probably envolved me kicking my little brothers ass..

just thought i'd share that with you

Nice...

Good to see ya agian Camel seems like its been awhile...

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