World War 3 imminent

[Chacal]

Originally posted by jingleBoy
i think you america haters need to pick up history books

This was uncalled for. Don't start flaming. If you can't participate in a discussion with a cool head, don't post.

[SavageParrot]

Originally posted by RCglider
Seeing how the UK will be paying off it's war debt to the U.S. by years end, we will suspend bowing for the time being.

LoL we are the only fuckers who have bothered to pay that. Everybody else just defaulted on it...

Oh and chamberlain was a fucktard for sure no arguments here on that one

Here's a quote for you:

"In times like these it is immature—and incidentally, untrue—for anybody to brag that an unprepared America, single-handed, and with one hand tied behind its back, can hold off the whole world."

F.D.R 1941.

[Ldsmith104]

Originally posted by Chacal
This was uncalled for. Don't start flaming. If you can't participate in a discussion with a cool head, don't post.

When I read that post I couldn't help but hear Darth Vader say it in my mind...lol

[SavageParrot]

I think he might actually be Chad pretending to be his brother...

[Alofwar]

Charlie, that scenario is assuming that an invasion of Britain, at the most likely time went ahead, regardless of who had air superiority. I have had a mssive debate about it on the Navyfield forums. Even if the Luftwaffe didnt switch their targets, the RAF would not have been destroyed for these reasons....

1) Luftwaffa gave out highly prestiges medals for number of kills, so German pilots would exagerate their kills. This was shown at the climax of the blitz, the Battle of Britain, the day when the Germans threw everything at us, but because of they badly underestimated the RAF's strength, it was a German disaster.

2) Whilst the RAF squadrons in the south were taking a beating, but those squadrons in the north were virtually untouched and at full strength.

3) Decoys, many fake airfields with fake planes were set up accross England, and the Germans fell for it, this took even mroe pressure off the RAF.

[SavageParrot]

http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/WW2/Battle%20of%20Britain%20tactics.htm

Here this is pretty good on the battle of britain. In fact the whole history section on http://www.pilotfriend.com is a pretty interesting read.

[Ldsmith104]

Originally posted by SavageParrot
I think he might actually be Chad pretending to be his brother...

Actually I think that's why I heard it that way. I just listened to that yesterday. At any rate his post sounds much better in the vader voice...

[CreepingCharlie]

Originally posted by Alofwar
Charlie, that scenario is assuming that an invasion of Britain, at the most likely time went ahead, regardless of who had air superiority. I have had a mssive debate about it on the Navyfield forums. Even if the Luftwaffe didnt switch their targets, the RAF would not have been destroyed for these reasons....

1) Luftwaffa gave out highly prestiges medals for number of kills, so German pilots would exagerate their kills. This was shown at the climax of the blitz, the Battle of Britain, the day when the Germans threw everything at us, but because of they badly underestimated the RAF's strength, it was a German disaster.

2) Whilst the RAF squadrons in the south were taking a beating, but those squadrons in the north were virtually untouched and at full strength.

3) Decoys, many fake airfields with fake planes were set up accross England, and the Germans fell for it, this took even mroe pressure off the RAF.

Ok but what I'm saying is that it would have never happened. That scenario is shit. Saying that Britain could survive a invasion by Germany without all of the corners covered is like living in a house without walls. I just don't like it when researchers like to carry out "what if" scenarios without all of the corners covered. Yes its fun to do a what if Germany went ahead in Operation Sea Lion at its planned time without getting air superiority first. Well thats a fucking no brainer there. Gee I wonder if Germany gets its ass kicked. I just can't comprehend a scenario when I know for a fact it could never happen. Thats why I kinda don't like "what if" scenarios. But they are damn interesting to watch.

1)"Both sides in the battle made exaggerated claims of numbers of enemy aircraft shot down. In general, claims were two to three times the actual numbers, due to confusion in the whirling air battles. However, post-war analysis of records has shown that between July and September the RAF claimed over 2,698 kills for 1,023 fighter aircraft lost to all causes, while the Luftwaffe claimed 3,198 RAF aircraft downed for losses of 1,887, of which 873 were fighters."
The day was called "Adler Tag"(Eagle Day). Aug 13-24.

2) Sorry I meant the Southern half of England. Group 11 to be exact. Yes the Air bases in the south were getting a pounding, the bases in the north were reletivly untouched. There were a few raids in the north but ended in disaster. Also they were escorted by slower and less manuvarible Bf 110 Zerstörers(Destroyers).

The biggest problem for Britain was the replacement of aircraft and pilots. It wasn't that big of a deal for Germany. They had plenty of spare parts and aircraft. Britain was sort of men and machine. In the height of aircraft production, which was july, the Ministry of Aircraft Production pumped out a total of 536 fighters, 1757 aircraft in total. The Messerschmitt plant never exceded 460 aircraft a month. Even though they could pump out more, Goring didn't want to give the German people the impression that they were getting desperate. Also Goring's bombers were given top priority than fighter production.

Thanks SP. There were also many other sites out there too. I highly suggest reading (OMG NOT THAT!!!!) Eagle Day by Richard Collier. Very good and well put book. A very detailed and intricate look at the Battle of Britain.

Really sorry for being way off topic for this thread. Please go back to the ME conflict at hand.

[JimmyTango]

Originally posted by SavageParrot
Why would you want Canada. I mean Mexico gets the sun and England would bring a lucrative market for dentistry but what does Canada have to offer?

Great pot?

[JimmyTango]

Originally posted by =ender=
The USA = damned if you do, damned if you don't.

That is why you do it. At least you can say you did do something, and possibly have a good story for the doctor on why you now have genital warts.

[cavalierlwt]

LOL, JT finds the upside to genital warts.


On the down note, I'd say Israel's plans to create a 3-10 mile security zone inside of Lebanon pretty much means the ole 'Roadmap to Peace' is squarely f*cked. They bombed a UN observations post killing four UN observers, after shelling it dozen times apparently. I can't even imagine what this is going to sound like day after day over the next few years, and we are going to be firmly tied into this mess. Maybe this is what those retards in the Hezbollah planned all along. I doubt it, but ya never know.

[CodeRed68]

Since everyone's throwing quotes around...

"Who will provide the grand design, what is yours and what is mine? There is no more new frontier. We have go to make it here. We satisfy our endless needs, and justify our bloody deeds. In the name of destiny. And in the name of God."

-- "The Last Resort" by The Eagles c.1976

Was listening to this song today and when hearing this quote (one of my favs), it reminded me of the situation in the Middle East. Whether it is the takeover of the old American west or the battle of who's god said this land belongs to whom in the ME.... it's the same old song and dance.

[Samurai512]

This really really scary.

[cavalierlwt]

It won't be scary, it will just mean a constant stream of low intensity warfare. Our soldiers in Iraq will be having to deal with an increased flow of nutjobs looking to blow themselves up. This is going to turn into the new recruiting drive for Hamas/Hezbollah/ etc.

[RCglider]

Originally posted by cavalierlwt
LOL, JT finds the upside to genital warts.


On the down note, I'd say Israel's plans to create a 3-10 mile security zone inside of Lebanon pretty much means the ole 'Roadmap to Peace' is squarely f*cked. They bombed a UN observations post killing four UN observers, after shelling it dozen times apparently. I can't even imagine what this is going to sound like day after day over the next few years, and we are going to be firmly tied into this mess. Maybe this is what those retards in the Hezbollah planned all along. I doubt it, but ya never know.

In the aftermath of the 4 U.N. workers being killed, one being a Canadian, Kofi Annan accuses Israel of purposely targeting them? To what end would this benefit Israel? Could it be, just maybe, Hezbollah was using the U.N. outpost as a shield? No? Why not? It's really not hard to figure out that Hezbollah and all terrorists for that matter uses women, children, homes, hospitals, schools, taxis, businesses etc. as shields, so why not the U.N.? Is it so difficult to see this? No tactic is off limits to these animals.

Retired Canadian Major General Lewis Mackenzie has stated he received emails from that U.N. outpost before they were killed.

A snippet:
“We received emails from him a few days ago, and he was describing the fact that he was taking fire within, in one case, three meters of his position for tactical necessity, not being targeted. Now that’s veiled speech in the military. What he was telling us was Hezbollah soldiers were all over his position and the IDF were targeting them. And that’s a favorite trick by people who don’t have representation in the UN. They use the UN as shields knowing that they can’t be punished for it.”

The United Nothings is the modern day repository for anti-Semitism. Name one conflict they have ever resolved and one time they've ever sided with Israel despite being attacked on countless occasions over the past 58 years. The U.N. is the most inept, corrupt incompetent useless organization ever conceived. Al Qaida, Hezbollah, Hamas, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, Al-Jihad....go right down the list. Last I recall there’re over 100 of these Islamic fascist groups operating throughout the world, some right here in the U.S. Recent events in Canada should speak volumes. Someone said attacks around the world are not related? Nonsense. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend”. They are all connected. Just today Al Qaeda has sworn allegiance to Hezbollah. Others mentioned this isn't a world war? How else can it be described but world war? Still others don't believe violence won't escalate into a world war unless Iran and Syria get directly involved. They ARE involved, right up to their turbans. Hezbollah is a satellite government for Iran; make no mistake, Iran is calling the shots.

Where does Hezbollah get their financial support? Mainly Iran and Syria, but also from right here in the USA via so-called non-profit humanitarian Muslim groups sending money to their favorite terrorist. The government has cracked down on many of them, but it’s still prevalent. Saudi Arabia has unquestionably financed world terrorism as well, however they are more worried about Iran than we are.

A cease-fire is nothing but a means to allow Hezbollah to re-arm. We allowed the U.N. to "negotiate" peace in Korea and look where we're at now. In fact, can anyone name a period of peace not proceeded by war ending with unconditional surrender and elimination of the defeated dictatorial power structure? Israel is in the predicament they are now precisely because they did just what they were told, and by doing so their hostile neighbors viewed this as weakness. Now they are paying the price for appeasement.


The United Nothings have been in Lebanon since 1978 "monitoring" Hezbollah. After calling for Israel's withdrawal in 2000 pursuant to R1559 requiring the dismantling of Hezbollah both militarily and politically, Israel complied. The United Nothings had 2000 "peace keepers" supposedly again "monitoring" compliance to 1559 and gee, right under their noses, somehow 13,000 missiles slipped right by them. Isn't that interesting? And they didn't even know these munitions were hidden right next to their outposts. Hezbollah has been lobbing missiles into Israel for the last two years. What was Israel expected to do, just keep taking it? If Lebanon is siding with Hezbollah, bent on the destruction of Israel, then form an army and attack them. The Lebanese government on the one hand claims they are powerless to resist Hezbollah, but on the other hand their leaders now say they will fight with Hezbollah. Which is it? Are they afraid of Hezbollah? Syria? Iran? Or, are they joined at the hip with them?

Whether people want to face it or not, we are in a fight for survival and it is not going to end until those who want to kill us are neutralized (is that a nicer word than dead?) or lose the will to fight; each and every one of them. For those not concerned about what’s going on in Israel, you’d better be. Radical Islam’s (is there anything but?) sworn goal is the annihilation of all Jews, the destruction of Israel, and conquest of the world. Does this sound ridiculous? It’s not to them. Violence (aka terrorism) is an acceptable method by which to accomplish their goal to force people into submission, ala Spain. While some are trying to figure out why they hate them, these Islamic lunatics are figuring out ways to kill us. We don’t need to understand why they want to kill us, only that they do. Anyone willing to strap bombs on their children, send them to their death, then celebrate it is a hard egg to crack wouldn’t you agree? People think they can negotiate with this? How do you negotiate with a culture that raise their kids from birth to hate and kill Jews and non-Muslims? They even kill their own with no remorse. Can anyone submit a video showing Muslims anywhere in the world not celebrating in the streets after 9/11?

I also recall someone saying Bush went into Iraq and should have gone into Iran? My response is: did we attack Germany after entering World War II? No we didn’t. Hmm. Why is that? Why did we first go to North Africa? Just throwing out a smidgen of logic here, but isn’t it possible Iraq is a strategic location in the Middle East and that’s why Iran et al are so intent on sending in their weapons and personnel? It’s too funny listening to anti-war (actually anti-Bush) rhetoric that booting out Hussein was “illegal” and all that malarkey. I didn’t care if they found WMD’s (I wonder where they are??) or not, the United Nothings weren’t ever going to do a thing but issue security council resolutions with empty threats, not to mention the Oil for Food scandal. It was time for Sadam to go, and it wasn’t illegal. Get over it. Unless the present regime in Iran is overthrown, the world must at some point in the near future deal with them, and it won’t be the same old United Nothing consortium of condemnation and empty threats. Europe is a vast wasteland of pantywaists and appeasers, so guess who will have to do it as nobody else will; American blood and treasure.

It’s really not hard to understand what’s going on in Israel/Lebanon. Peace? Who wants peace? If Hezbollah/Hamas were to lay down their arms there would be peace. If Israel were to lay down their arms, they would be annihilated. Anyone care to dispute this?

As for talk about torture, sorry folks, there is aggressive interrogation techniques not recognized as “torture”. No Allah, sleep deprivation is not torture. Of course, these terrorist scumbags would never lie, right? And naturally, all (93% ) are innocent and no more a threat than the two idiot burglars in Home Alone. In every war there are atrocities, this is true and regrettably is going to happen. However, I missed the article in the NYT concerning Al Qaida’s military tribunal trying their “soldiers” for torturing of their captives, let alone beheading them. Would someone please point me to that? Here’s the deal. If these combatants can pass Navy Seal training, they should be set free. How’s that? BTW, the Geneva Convention does not apply here; don’t bother arguing otherwise. We may honor it to keep the terrorist apologists from howling, but it does not apply. They also do not enjoy the same privileges and Rights as an American citizen does under the Constitution and that includes being tried in a civilian court. What next, they should receive Social Security benefits? It ain’t gonna happen.

With all the criticism of America in this forum, I must say it’s not easy being the Daddy of the world. We’ve been changing the dirty diapers of the world for the better part of the past century. Unfortunately, sometimes Daddy has to spank its children, particularly the spoiled malcontents who constantly whine for more and more. You know, America isn’t perfect, but despite all the complaining and hatred for the U.S., guess who the world automatically expects to take the lead when they want help? Someone here posted the U.S. donates less of GDP than Sweden? Have you considered this is purely the monetary amount and does not include FOOD, ships, planes, medical supplies, private donations (which far outweighs any country), people, housing, building materials, infrastructure etc.? Now the U.N. wants to impose a tax on U.S. citizens? Screw them.