Re: Zeitgeist
Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:59 pm
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
-- Thomas Jefferson
-- Thomas Jefferson
Re: Zeitgeist
Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:10 pm
its amazing how something like a crappy video like this gets this much of a responce
Re: Zeitgeist
Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:41 pm
I don't see how it is crap. I thought the first part about religion was spot on. I have always said man created god not the other way around. The first part seems to point that out clearly.
The second part about 9/11 is just one side of the story. In Cavs link you have the other side. What makes one side right over the other. Well according to some it is the facts. What exactly is a fact? Unless you see it, smell it, taste it, feel it or hear it a fact is just hearsay from someone you trust. The question is who can you trust these days.
The last part about a one world government/bank/power does not seem to far fetched. There are people in this world with basically absolute power and we all know what that can lead to. I don't think it would ever happen. Many have tried but all have failed.
I got something different from it. It started with religion for a reason. It even said it in the beginning. If you can get people to believe as George Carlin put it "the biggest bullshit story ever told" Then you can get them to believe anything. What people don't see is that it is all BS. After your needs for food, shelter and reproduction with a sub category of survival of offspring are meet. The rest is just BS or as the first speaker put it, waiting to be dead. If life these days leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth you have nobody but yourself to blame. ( Of course by yourself I mean anybody Jungle, myself included, this is in not directed at you in any way)
Again it is what the first speaker was saying that is important. People are afraid to face the now. If you strip away society and religion you are faced with the now. You would be forced to look within yourself. People are afraid to do this for whatever reason. So we get religion, society and government.
The second part about 9/11 is just one side of the story. In Cavs link you have the other side. What makes one side right over the other. Well according to some it is the facts. What exactly is a fact? Unless you see it, smell it, taste it, feel it or hear it a fact is just hearsay from someone you trust. The question is who can you trust these days.
The last part about a one world government/bank/power does not seem to far fetched. There are people in this world with basically absolute power and we all know what that can lead to. I don't think it would ever happen. Many have tried but all have failed.
Jungle_Fowl wrote:
That was what I was really trying to get across, was about asking questions, and not believing everything you hear from the government. We really don't hold our governments accountable anymore in any respect, and I think that was more the main point of the film, or at least thats what I took from it.
I got something different from it. It started with religion for a reason. It even said it in the beginning. If you can get people to believe as George Carlin put it "the biggest bullshit story ever told" Then you can get them to believe anything. What people don't see is that it is all BS. After your needs for food, shelter and reproduction with a sub category of survival of offspring are meet. The rest is just BS or as the first speaker put it, waiting to be dead. If life these days leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth you have nobody but yourself to blame. ( Of course by yourself I mean anybody Jungle, myself included, this is in not directed at you in any way)
Again it is what the first speaker was saying that is important. People are afraid to face the now. If you strip away society and religion you are faced with the now. You would be forced to look within yourself. People are afraid to do this for whatever reason. So we get religion, society and government.
Re: Zeitgeist
Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:28 am
A great quote from Napoleon Bonaparte "Religion is what keeps the Poor from murdering the Rich"
I *love* that quote, so true!
I *love* that quote, so true!
Re: Zeitgeist
Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:44 pm
i agree that religion is a primitave form of law.. and i have heard of an group of people calling themselfs the new world order... secretly of course... but one of the things that clued me into this is a bill that president signed to establishing a free trade agreement to possibly establish a open border policy between not only the us and canada... but mexico and all the american countrys north and south.. and to possibly change the currencys of these countrys into something called the amero....sounds like the exact same thing they did in europe..... so if the 'American union is established. and the amero becomes a reality... whats to stop the american union the european union ans the asian unions(once it is formed) from becoming a singular world goverment? would it make a singular group of leaders super rich and all powerfull? yes... but the way it is to be done is what bothers me... would it be good or bad??? also i read that the clintons are among these new world order people..wich makes me dislike them even more!!!
Re: Zeitgeist
Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:00 pm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&hl=enhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&hl=enzeitgeist is bit out there for me. how bout this one
Re: Zeitgeist
Wed Jun 04, 2008 8:59 pm
The end of that video really asked better questions from 9\11, about who really had the most to gain.
In my opinion I think the Bush administration really did gain more then terrorists.
but, In the end how would we ever know who actually planned it with beyond a shadow of a doubt. I don't think we ever could since the people who did the main investigation was the government, and they could change what ever information they wanted and nobody would know, or keep it hidden.
I find that is the main problem. The goverment can do what ever it wants with out the public scrutinizing them. They really are not accountable to the people anymore. One vote doesn't mean that much anymore, when all you're voting for is a corrupt politician.
And who really watchs them anyways, or could do that since pretty much everything is controlled by the government. Try getting a civilian commision together and then watch the goverment block you at every turn to get the information. Everyday the government gains more power, while we gain less.
I like ender's post with the quote, because we are in an age where the people are fearing the government, and the government really can do what they want without much worry.
So the next question would be what could we do about it...
In my opinion I think the Bush administration really did gain more then terrorists.
but, In the end how would we ever know who actually planned it with beyond a shadow of a doubt. I don't think we ever could since the people who did the main investigation was the government, and they could change what ever information they wanted and nobody would know, or keep it hidden.
I find that is the main problem. The goverment can do what ever it wants with out the public scrutinizing them. They really are not accountable to the people anymore. One vote doesn't mean that much anymore, when all you're voting for is a corrupt politician.
And who really watchs them anyways, or could do that since pretty much everything is controlled by the government. Try getting a civilian commision together and then watch the goverment block you at every turn to get the information. Everyday the government gains more power, while we gain less.
I like ender's post with the quote, because we are in an age where the people are fearing the government, and the government really can do what they want without much worry.
So the next question would be what could we do about it...
Re: Zeitgeist
Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:23 am
Jungle_Fowl wrote:
So the next question would be what could we do about it...
I have always had a part of me that wanted to save/change the world. The older I get the smaller that part of me gets. I have come to realize most people don't want the change nor deserve it. So to answer your question, I ain't gonna do shit about it.
Re: Zeitgeist
Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:36 pm
'[ecgn wrote: btt]I have always had a part of me that wanted to save/change the world. The older I get the smaller that part of me gets. I have come to realize most people don't want the change nor deserve it. So to answer your question, I ain't gonna do shit about it.
way to kill a thread tony