RTCW - The Harsh State Of Things

[HuGgY BiZzLe]

Well if that's the company you want to keep.

[Twitch]

Don't get me wrong here, I care not one way or the other. But the comparisons you make are fanatical. Even thieves that served their time can go to public places. It's all just cyclical bullshit.

[SavageParrot]

Being against the drug war doesn't make you liberal. That analogy also doesn't match well with the point you're trying to make below.

I'm aware of that. I was dumbing things down for the people that watch Fox news and think that the world can be summed up into things that are good and things that are evil..

Would you let a child rapist babysit your kid as long as they "aren't raping now"? No? Why not? Because you made a value judgment on that person based on their past behavior.

Wait so mine was a poor analogy but comparing hackers to child rapists is valid? Interesting world you live in...

We need Chuck Norris to roundhouse kick some reality into some people's heads. It is a game. Hacking in the game might make you lose and get annoyed. If it makes you upset and want to cry then you are taking it too seriously. Assuming that you are not mental then the worst crime that the hacker has committed is to annoy you and possibly make you leave. Your arsehole is not bleeding, you will not be traumatised for life and you aren't likely to end up in a spiral of depression that leads inextricably towards suicide. If you have this reaction to hacking then this would classify as Darwinism in effect. Nature has no place for people that massively over-react to the things that happen in computer games.

Obviously hackers in the game has a detrimental effect on the number of people that want to play so they have to be banned and obviously some punishment is required. But a lifetime ban? Get a grip. You don't get that kind of time for rape and rape is clearly a worse crime than hacking. If you don't think that rape is a worse crime than hacking then I'm going to secretly hope that you might be one of the people that gets suicidal because you lose at a game.

I'm all in favour of a punishment for hacking but a life time exclusion is a little extreme. Besides the real hackers, the ones that do it time and time again will nearly always find a way around the ban so the only people you really succeed in punishing are the special needs donkeys that download a hack because they think everyone else is hacking. It's not worth the man hours trawling through the logs to make sure that no one who has ever hacked is ever allowed to play again when you can just spend 5 minutes speccing them and see that they aren't hacking now...

[HuGgY BiZzLe]

I'm aware of that. I was dumbing things down for the people that watch Fox news and think that the world can be summed up into things that are good and things that are evil..

I always love the elitist attitude of liberals, and you display it brilliantly. Moving on...

Wait so mine was a poor analogy but comparing hackers to child rapists is valid? Interesting world you live in...

etc etc yada yada

I knew the extreme degree of my analogy would trip up the super smart people like yourself, but the premise is exactly right. It's about trust and integrity. Sure we let the thief out of prison after he serves his time, but that doesn't mean you're required to welcome him back into your house on your private property. It isn't about punishing the hacker. It's about maintaining the integrity of the server so people will think it's as fair as possible when they connect. It's up to each admin to determine how important that is.

[SavageParrot]

Semantically I'm a libertarian communist. Should make for an entertaining full body cavity check the next time I try to enter the US

You don't have to trust them you just don't have to lock them up for life. It's really not very hard to spot a hacker. If you are having trouble spotting the hack then it's 99% likely that the reason is that there's no hack there.

As for people feeling that things are fair, in my experience they never do. If it's not hacking, it's team stacking if it's not team stacking it's axis only players, if it's not axis only players it's people hogging the panzer or blocking the door, teamkillers, noobs on their team, snipers not pulling their weight, lag, problems with their FPS, or other peoples FPS or their own configs, other peoples configs, their ping, your ping everybodies ping, their service provider, their video card, their fan speed or their video card clocking speed, Al Gore and the fact that he did a crappy job inventing the internet and then they go back to the imaginary hacks and then the cycle just repeats. The list of excuses for getting raged are infinite, and they all boil down to the same thing.

...they take the game way too seriously...

[HuGgY BiZzLe]

Semantically I'm a libertarian communist. Should make for an entertaining full body cavity check the next time I try to enter the US

I don't think that combination is possible. They're at the two opposite ends of the spectrum.

You don't have to trust them you just don't have to lock them up for life. It's really not very hard to spot a hacker. If you are having trouble spotting the hack then it's 99% likely that the reason is that there's no hack there.

As for people feeling that things are fair, in my experience they never do. If it's not hacking, it's team stacking if it's not team stacking it's axis only players, if it's not axis only players it's people hogging the panzer or blocking the door, teamkillers, noobs on their team, snipers not pulling their weight, lag, problems with their FPS, or other peoples FPS or their own configs, other peoples configs, their ping, your ping everybodies ping, their service provider, their video card, their fan speed or their video card clocking speed, Al Gore and the fact that he did a crappy job inventing the internet and then they go back to the imaginary hacks and then the cycle just repeats. The list of excuses for getting raged are infinite, and they all boil down to the same thing.

...they take the game way too seriously...

You're somewhat right, but the difference is how allowing known cheaters negatively affects the reputation of the server versus normal complaints against other players.

BTW, I love England. Been there 6 times. Mainly Ipswich and Worcester. Just couldn't live there because of the weather and the fact that they are scared of law abiding citizens with guns. But I love the people and the (Chinese and Indian) food.

[=TAO=PowerSlave]

BTW, I love England. Been there 6 times. Mainly Ipswich and Worcester. Just couldn't live there because of the weather and the fact that they are scared of law abiding citizens with guns. But I love the people and the (Chinese and Indian) food.

I agree. The UK is great, but the natives are horrible spellers... I saw a guy type "Is that colour grey?" A four word sentence with haff of them spelled rong.

[Paco's Gun]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies ... you people really need to read up or just stop using analogies altogether.

I think you're all missing the point... none of the people that gamb or any of the other clown shoe idiots in this thread want banned have actually been caught hacking. The debate over whether or not someone should be allowed back in after a year is pointless since none of those people are subject to this psychotic bullshit every time they join the server.

[HuGgY BiZzLe]

You didn't point out any fallacies.

[SavageParrot]

I agree. The UK is great, but the natives are horrible spellers... I saw a guy type "Is that colour grey?" A four word sentence with haff of them spelled rong.

Yeah, remind me, what's the language called again?

[SavageParrot]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies ... you people really need to read up or just stop using analogies altogether.

I think you're all missing the point... none of the people that gamb or any of the other clown shoe idiots in this thread want banned have actually been caught hacking. The debate over whether or not someone should be allowed back in after a year is pointless since none of those people are subject to this psychotic bullshit every time they join the server.

Yep. They like to blur the lines to make the two look related because it suits their purpose but most of the players that they harass and vilify as hackers have never been caught with anything.

[Killer Mike]

I don't think that combination is possible. They're at the two opposite ends of the spectrum.

I can't believe I even logged in to reply to this...

But, no they're not.

[HuGgY BiZzLe]

Do you have a version with a z axis?

We could argue about the chart too. Just posting a chart doesn't automatically make you correct about the subject.

[SavageParrot]

I can't believe I even logged in to reply to this...

But, no they're not.

Yeah I generally land around the Gandhi mark. He can keep the nappy though...

[HuGgY BiZzLe]

I wouldn't brag about being like Gandhi. If we all followed his advice, we'd be slaves to whatever power decided to get aggressive.

http://history.eserver.org/ghandi-nobody-knows.txt

Since the movie's Madeleine Slade specifically invites us to revere the "way out
of madness" that Gandhi offered the world at the time of World War II, I am
under the embarrassing obligation of recording exactly what courses of action
the Great Soul recommended to the various parties involved in that crisis. For
Gandhi was never stinting in his advice. Indeed, the less he knew about a
subject, the less he stinted.

I am aware that for many not privileged to have visited the former British Raj,
the names Gujarat, Rajasthan, and Deccan are simply words. But other names, such as Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, somehow have a harder profile. The term "Jew," also, has a reasonably hard profile, and I feel all Jews sitting emotionally at the movie 'Gandhi' should be apprised of the advice that the Mahatma offered their coreligionists when faced with the Nazi peril: they should commit collective suicide. If only the Jews of Germany had the good sense to offer their throats willingly to the Nazi butchers' knives and throw themselves into the sea from cliffs they would arouse world public opinion, Gandhi was convinced, and their moral triumph would be remembered for "ages to come." If
they would only pray for Hitler (as their throats were cut, presumably), they
would leave a "rich heritage to mankind." Although Gandhi had known Jews from
his earliest days in South Africa--where his three staunchest white supporters
were Jews, every one--he disapproved of how rarely they loved their enemies. And he never repented of his recommendation of collective suicide. Even after the war, when the full extent of the Holocaust was revealed, Gandhi told Louis Fischer, one of his biographers, that the Jews died anyway, didn't they? They might as well have died significantly.

Gandhi's views on the European crisis were not entirely consistent. He
vigorously opposed Munich, distrusting Chamberlain. "Europe has sold her soul for the sake of a seven days' earthly existence," he declared. "The peace that Europe gained at Munich is a triumph of violence." But when the Germans moved into the Bohemian heartland, he was back to urging nonviolent resistance, exhorting the Czechs to go forth, unarmed, against the Wehrmacht, *perishing gloriously*--collective suicide again. He had Madeleine Slade draw up two letters to President Eduard Benes of Czechoslovakia, instructing him on the proper conduct of Czechoslovak satyagrahi when facing the Nazis.

When Hitler attacked Poland, however, Gandhi suddenly endorsed the Polish army's military resistance, calling it "almost nonviolent." (If this sounds like double-talk, I can only urge readers to read Gandhi.) He seemed at this point to have a rather low opinion of Hitler, but when Germany's panzer divisions turned west, Allied armies collapsed under the ferocious onslaught, and British ships were streaming across the Straits of Dover from Dunkirk, he wrote furiously to the Viceroy of India: "This manslaughter must be stopped. You are losing; if you persist, it will only result in greater bloodshed. Hitler is not a bad man...."

Gandhi also wrote an open letter to the British people, passionately urging them to surrender and accept whatever fate Hitler' had prepared for them. "Let them take possession of your beautiful island with your many beautiful buildings. You will give all these, but neither your souls, nor your minds." Since none of this had the intended effect, Gandhi, the following year, addressed an open letter to the prince of darkness himself, Adolf Hitler.

THE scene must be pictured. In late December 1941, Hitler stood at the pinnacle of his might. His armies, undefeated anywhere ruled Europe from the English Channel to the Volga. Rommel had entered Egypt. The Japanese had reached Singapore. The U.S. Pacific Fleet lay at the bottom of Pearl Harbor. At this superbly chosen moment, Mahatma Gandhi attempted to convert Adolf Hitler to the ways of nonviolence. "Dear Friend," the letter begins, and proceeds to a heartfelt appeal to the Fuhrer to embrace all mankind "irrespective of race, color, or creed." Every admirer of the film 'Gandhi' should be compelled to read this letter. Surprisingly, it is not known to have had any deep impact on Hitler. Gandhi was no doubt disappointed. He moped about, really quite depressed, but still knew he was right. When the Japanese, having cut their way through Burma, threatened India, Gandhi's strategy was to let them occupy as much of India as they liked and then to "make them feel unwanted." His way of helping his British "friends" was, at one of the worst points of the war, to launch massive civil-disobedience campaigns against them, paralyzing some of
their efforts to defend India from the Japanese.

Here, then, is your leader, O followers of Gandhi: a man who thought Hitler's heart would be melted by an appeal to forget race, color, and creed, and who was sure the feelings of the Japanese would be hurt if they sensed themselves unwanted. As world-class statesmen go, it is not a very good record. Madeleine Slade was right, I suppose. The world certainly didn't listen to Gandhi.