Saddam Hussein caught?

[LeVar Burton]

busted.....now what?? Are we going to shoot him or throw rocks at him...??

I think hes "it" now and we have 5 minutes to hide.

Originally posted by FLOPPY
I knew there would be a comment on the French again. Make no mistake, France wants this man trialed too. They just didn't agree with way and the reason the Americans invaded Iraq to get him. This man never posed a real treat to the US people compared to Bin Laden, but this was the perfect scapegoat when they could not find Osama. Where is the evidence of WMD's he supposed to have? After 9/11 America wanted a scapegoat, and because they did not find Osama, they took him instead.

I'm glad for the people of Iraq that they captured this man. Now it is time for them to rebuild their country and form an independable governement. I hope he gets a fair trail, so the Iraqui people could see the Western system of justice DOES work and they get faith in the system.

One remark though: please do not call Hussein a terrorist, because he isn't. He is/was a dictator.

Second that: He is not a terrorist, he's a dictator...

[ShellShock]

Well he was a dictator...and a brutal one at that.

I think this illustrates the major difference between Saddam and Osama... Saddam just isn't very bright. Good at manipulation maybe, but not too bright...

I mean, it's like me going out and shooting several cops, and then going and trying to hide from the law in a tree in my backyard

Saddam may or may not have been organizing some resistance, I'm guessing not much, but his capture is very important for the US standing with the iraqi people and the arab world in general... it says we WILL get you if we put our minds to it, regardless of what you do to hinder us. And to the iraqi people, it says that this man will never rise again to threaten you, and you are free to move forward.

Congratulations to the guys and gals of the US military and US intelligence agencies who made this happen

Originally posted by Rule of Wrist
I think this illustrates the major difference between Saddam and Osama... Saddam just isn't very bright. Good at manipulation maybe, but not too bright...

I mean, it's like me going out and shooting several cops, and then going and trying to hide from the law in a tree in my backyard

Saddam may or may not have been organizing some resistance, I'm guessing not much, but his capture is very important for the US standing with the iraqi people and the arab world in general... it says we WILL get you if we put our minds to it, regardless of what you do to hinder us. And to the iraqi people, it says that this man will never rise again to threaten you, and you are free to move forward.

Congratulations to the guys and gals of the US military and US intelligence agencies who made this happen

[Sidekick Floppy]

Originally posted by LeVar Burton
Exactly Doug. If it took this long to find a living person, it is understandable if it takes a while longer to find inanimate objects. Also, many Kurds and Kuwaitis might argue with you Floppy about whether he is a terrorist. To me it seems like Europe is universally against any action the U.S. takes in foreign affairs. If we said we were going to hell tomorrow to remove satan they would question our motives.

I think you misunderstood. Europe agrees Hussein is a dictator and has to be death with somehow. But all countries should have come to an agreement on how to deal with him. It is wrong that just one country descides how it has to be done and just ignores other countries opinions. Because U.S. goverment made that kind of descision, some European countries did not support that descision, and then you claim we are "universally against any action the U.S. takes".


terrorisme: trying to destabilise a country with terror. I know Saddam did make heavy crimes against the Kurds, but it was not intended to destabilise his country, but to keep control. Invading Kuwait was an act of war, not terrorism.

To Doug: if you are referring to the carbombs in Iraq lately, I don't think Saddam was coordinating them. By the way they found them, hiding in a hole all alone, I think it is very unlikely. Could be wrong though, but it is my first impression.

Originally posted by FLOPPY
To Doug: if you are referring to the carbombs in Iraq lately, I don't think Saddam was coordinating them. By the way they found them, hiding in a hole all alone, I think it is very unlikely. Could be wrong though, but it is my first impression.

That's precisely why I said "IF."

I'm looking forward to how this all plays out.

We did try to come through with a plan with other countries but while they (other countries) figure out what they want to do. Us(USA) get hit with more attacks which the other countries are not. SO for us time was very important. Now if they blew up the ifal tower do you think the even the french would want to wait while abunch of other countries decided if attacking the people responible was a good move??

[Face]

Originally posted by FLOPPY
I think you misunderstood. Europe agrees Hussein is a dictator and has to be death with somehow. But all countries should have come to an agreement on how to deal with him. It is wrong that just one country descides how it has to be done and just ignores other countries opinions. Because U.S. goverment made that kind of descision, some European countries did not support that descision, and then you claim we are "universally against any action the U.S. takes".

Kind of like the way Europe appeased Hitler even though he was in direct violation of the Versailles Treaty? And then Europe needs the US to bail them out of the monster they let grow in their back yard?

I have to disagree Floppy. There is no way the "world" is going to agree on what to serve for desert at the UN, let alone what action to take against a dictator who had illegal contracts with France, Germany, and Russia (the 3 permanent members who opposed.)

Europe is not a country, Europe does not only exist of France, Germany and Spain. There are more countries that did approve with the descision made. And I think it's BS that countries like France and Germany did not agree with an attack, because of some contracts..

Don't get me wrong: I think USA and England did a good job getting rid of Saddam, but I think it should have been done a lottle different. "There are multiple ways to Rome" is commonly said here in Holland, and it is meant just like you read it: there are different ways to do something. I think it would be better for the world economics and so that there would be a better agreement when a dictator has to be taken out of leadership.

Oh hell, what am I talking about. Just my 2 cents, I am not a politician..

Everyone, grab a

[Sir Loin]

i wish i could knife saddam......kurith, i know you can appreciate that.

Originally posted by Face
Kind of like the way Europe appeased Hitler even though he was in direct violation of the Versailles Treaty? And then Europe needs the US to bail them out of the monster they let grow in their back yard?

Almost sounds like you want to say that America had to clean up the mess for Europe AGAIN.
US only 'bail out the monster' when they have been attacked ( I am talking about Pearl Harbor ofcourse). So the US doesn't really care about the world, only when something/ someone is treating them (same thing with the terrorists right now).
Well, that's about it what I had to say. For the other things I totally agree.

[Kristov]

Saddam WAS a dictator, before April of 2003. Since that time, he's been a fugitive, and apparently, judging from documents found with him, a terrorist as well. Before April of 2003, he was a dictator AND funder and helper of terrorist, which makes him what..one step above terrorsists or one step below them? Does it really matter in the end? He's been responsible for the deaths of thousands, if not millions, of civilians in his own little part of the globe, Iraqi's, Iranians, Kuwaitis and Kurds. Mass executions, torture, those are just the fun things he did on a slow sunday. All well documented by his OWN regime no less, the best witness for the prosecution your honor, the Ba'athist regime's own records, they kept track of every single thing they did(I forsee some VERY bad PR for Germany, France and Russia in the near future, all those dirty little secret contracts are about to be made extremely public when Saddam is tried).

Whether you, or your government, agree with how the US and Great Britian handled the situation in Iraq is totally irrelevent. We went in and did what needed to be done, and not a single country has denied it needed to be done, they just couldn't agree on where to hold the conferences on who should compose the committee to decide who should decide if anyone wanted apple pie or treacle tarts for desert. You europeans can dither about that crap while people are being tortured and killed if you want(need I remind you of history, yet again, not just WW2 but previous to that AND since, europeans are VERY big on discussing what to do about a problem, and that's about it), but America and England said 'fuck that, lets go save some people before there's no one left to save' and did just that.

Saddam is now in custody, he's being questioned, and the PCA will hold a trail for him in due time, a very public and open trail. Can't wait to see the political aftermath in Europe myself after this trail, should be interesting to see who's in office after it's all over in some countries....

[JimmyTango]

Originally posted by Fat Bastard
We did try to come through with a plan with other countries but while they (other countries) figure out what they want to do. Us(USA) get hit with more attacks which the other countries are not. SO for us time was very important. Now if they blew up the ifal tower do you think the even the french would want to wait while abunch of other countries decided if attacking the people responible was a good move??

This is the biggest crock of shit I have ever read.

What, because the US has become a terrorist target over the last couple of decades, NO ONE ELSE IS?

Where the hell have you been?

Irag was NEVER linked to any terrorist attack against us. In fact, Osama and Saddam once tried an alliance that FAILED.

Meanwhile, in the West Banks, terrorist attacks continue(those suicide bombers that Doug points out) a day after Bush says all terrorism will be delt with.

Still hasn't been. Guess terrorism only counts when fighting it can line Bush's friends pockets. Hmm, policatly connected companies not having to bid on contracts already having reports of overcharging millions. No way, who would have thought it was possible.

Comparing the time it took to find Saddam and not finding WMD is mindboggling. Um, we were told we knew they were ther and WHERE THEY WERE. Those trucks that were 'mobile chemical factories' were found, and have now been ruled out as chemical factories.

Bush himself even admits to making a 'mistake' by including that Iraq tried to buy platonium in Africa(kinda funny they 'forgot' it was disproven when it came time to drum up support for the war).

Bush lied to the US and the world. It is that god damn simple. For all those making excuses for Bush, hwo many of you wanted Clinton gone for getting his dick sucked?

Hmm, which is worse? Telling a lie so your wife does not know you got your dick sucked from a bloated intern, or, telling a lie that put American service men in the line of fire, helped to keep our economy down, and gave us two years straight of some of the largest deficit spending ever?

That's a tough one......

Iraq was a problem, but did not need to be delt with in the way we did. We rushed in there under false pretenses, while ignoring larger threats.

Amen