Mon Dec 15, 2003 9:17 pm
Though I bowed out of that political part, I must say Tour of Duty you are showing great ignorance with your beleifs of the US's history.
I really hate when a European person brings up how the US did not take a side right away in WWI or WWII. It shows your ignorance in what was the US at that time in history. The US was an isolationist country. We shut off being involved in most of the rest of the world, as we had been since the formation of our country.
When WW1 broke out, a good chunk of the population sides with the Allies, a good chunk with the Axis, and a good chunk wanted to stay out of it. The reason why many sided with one of the sides was because of our close links to those countries via our citizen's backgrounds. I personally am English, Irish and German.
Do you really think a country with ties to both sides is going to choose a side right away? Of course they are not. They are going to have to wait until the 'evil' one and 'good' one clear.
I find it also funny how the US didn't get involved in the war until one of our ships was destroyed. Didn't you ever learn what was inside that ship?
I really hate when a European person brings up how the US did not take a side right away in WWI or WWII. It shows your ignorance in what was the US at that time in history. The US was an isolationist country. We shut off being involved in most of the rest of the world, as we had been since the formation of our country.
When WW1 broke out, a good chunk of the population sides with the Allies, a good chunk with the Axis, and a good chunk wanted to stay out of it. The reason why many sided with one of the sides was because of our close links to those countries via our citizen's backgrounds. I personally am English, Irish and German.
Do you really think a country with ties to both sides is going to choose a side right away? Of course they are not. They are going to have to wait until the 'evil' one and 'good' one clear.
I find it also funny how the US didn't get involved in the war until one of our ships was destroyed. Didn't you ever learn what was inside that ship?
Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:50 am
I have explained numerous times I am middle of the road(the correct way to think, BTW)
A little off topic, but you seem like a hypocrite after your sarcastic comment to me about the rolling eyes smilies and then telling people the "correct" way to think. Don't you think so too, Jimmy?
Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:58 am
I'm curious to the cargo that you are referring to in that ship, Jimmy... was it also the Lusitania? My memory of that era is a little rusty...
Have to agree with Levar that there is no "correct" way to think... it's all conjecture and opinion when it comes to politics...
This thread has gone way off topic, it was supposed to be about the effect that Saddam's capture would have on Iraq and the world, or at least that's what I thought... we've had enough political debate on these forums to suit me... pretty much everyone here knows where everyone stands, as this stuff has been gone over so many times in so many threads...
Historical debates are more interesting, however, which is why I ask my question to Jimmy...
Have to agree with Levar that there is no "correct" way to think... it's all conjecture and opinion when it comes to politics...
This thread has gone way off topic, it was supposed to be about the effect that Saddam's capture would have on Iraq and the world, or at least that's what I thought... we've had enough political debate on these forums to suit me... pretty much everyone here knows where everyone stands, as this stuff has been gone over so many times in so many threads...
Historical debates are more interesting, however, which is why I ask my question to Jimmy...
Tue Dec 16, 2003 7:32 am
Originally posted by LeVar Burton
A little off topic, but you seem like a hypocrite after your sarcastic comment to me about the rolling eyes smilies and then telling people the "correct" way to think. Don't you think so too, Jimmy?
Next time I will put the rolling eyes in to piss you off.
See what happens when you leave them out?
It is called SARCASIM which gets lost without that smiley you so hate, since you can not here th tone of my voice or the look on my face.
Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:04 am
Originally posted by Rule of Wrist
I'm curious to the cargo that you are referring to in that ship, Jimmy... was it also the Lusitania? My memory of that era is a little rusty...
The exact cause of the second explosion is a point of contention. The Lusitania shows evidence that she may have been torpedoed a second or even a third time - but the second, most destructive, explosion may not have been caused by a German torpedo, but rather may have come from inside the ship. The reason behind this speculation is that the Lusitania's cargo can be called into question. She had originally said she would take, along with her passengers, platinum, bullion, diamonds and various other precious stones, but these things were never found and port records do not list them either. She is believed to have instead carried, under the guise of bales of fur and cheese boxes, 3-inch shells and millions of rounds of rifle ammunition. If true, these materials comprised "a contraband and explosive cargo which was forbidden by American law and... should never have been placed on a passenger liner" (Simpson 157-158).
From:
http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/USA/Lusitania.html
Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:11 am
Originally posted by JimmyTango
Next time I will put the rolling eyes in to piss you off.
See what happens when you leave them out?
It is called SARCASIM which gets lost without that smiley you so hate, since you can not here th tone of my voice or the look on my face.
ahh...can you smell the love
But this thread really is off topic, so we better could start talking about Saddam.
So....what kind of punishment does Saddam diserve in your opinion?
Tue Dec 16, 2003 9:23 am
How in the world did you all manage to turn a thread about Saddam's capture into a discussion of smilies and why the Lusitania sank?
Tue Dec 16, 2003 1:48 pm
Originally posted by Folic_Acid
How in the world did you all manage to turn a thread about Saddam's capture into a discussion of smilies and why the Lusitania sank?
LOL, just be glad Col. Bukkake wasn't here to turn it into a discussion of midget testicles.
Tue Dec 16, 2003 2:28 pm
My co-worker here was also in the first Gulf War in the US army ground forces. As I mentionoed earlier his unit recieved a chemical weapons attack while there in '91.
He would like to take Saddam to one of the big public squares where his statue used to be, tie him to a post, stick a grenade in his mouth, pull the pin, walk away, and tell him he can spit it out any time he wants.
This guy in real life is pretty gentle and wouldn't hurt a fly.
He would like to take Saddam to one of the big public squares where his statue used to be, tie him to a post, stick a grenade in his mouth, pull the pin, walk away, and tell him he can spit it out any time he wants.
This guy in real life is pretty gentle and wouldn't hurt a fly.
Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:32 pm
Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:41 pm
Sad for that poor bastard 27 year old in Ramallah.
There were guys in America named Adolf Hitler who had it pretty rough after WWII.
There were guys in America named Adolf Hitler who had it pretty rough after WWII.
Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:45 pm
There are guys here in the US with the name Usama Bin Laden who have it rough.
-Bagginses
-Bagginses
Thu Dec 18, 2003 5:54 am
How you should think....that's a funny thing to say, ya know?
I'm sitting here, reading all these comments, and a lot of them are pure PR from various government agencies, both pro and anti American. So..what I'm seeing isn't the POSTER'S thoughts, but someone else's who they are simply parroting, there's no thinking involved on their part.
We have EU people claiming that Russia isn't part of Europe because..they aren't in the EU? I'm sorry, that just cracked me right the fuck up, really good laugh at that one. And that gives us a VERY clear example of the type of 'thinking' that's being taught in the current EU. Scary huh. European politics makes American politics look pretty tame, just read the European news stories on their own politicos. Most Europeans don't see the big deal about Clinton and the blow jobs, no biggie to them for a government leader to get a little on the side. We Americans, for the most part, feel the same, with ONE little exception...we have a very hard time trusting someone we KNOW will lie, with a straight face, to his own wife and family. We want to know our leader is telling us the truth(or at least think he is) when he tells us something, be it whether he got a blow job on the clock or if some guy in another country has WMD. With Clinton, if he said the sky is blue, most Americans would reflexively look up to confirm or deny that statement.
That's a big difference between Americans and Europeans right there. Lie to us Americans, but don't let us KNOW it, and we'll be ok. Europeans, lie to them and let them know it, they'll be ok. This difference dates back to the very beginning of the US of A, and it's always been one of the biggest yet most subtle differences between us and the Europeans.
Now, as for Saddam, the charges he's facing have the death penalty as the end result in Iraq, so, he ain't got much of a future. Hearing a lot of jabbering about a world court and all that crap, only, the EU's jurisdiction doesn't cover Saddam, the crimes precced the formation of the EU and it's charters
Yes, that's right, the EU isn't all that old kiddies, try to remember that, ok? EUROPE is a continent, and MOST of it's countries have thousands of years of history, but the EU is a very new thing and has no history at all, and it's finding out, no power outside it's own member states(and even that is being brought into question on almost a daily basis judging from the news articles I see). So, the PCA will be the ones to put Saddam on trial and be the ones to execute him, and that'll be the end of over 30 yrs of terror for many Iraqis(the majority actually). Imagine...there's an entire population in Iraq that has NEVER known anything but Saddam and the Ba'athist regime...and now they get a chance to have what we, Americans and Europeans, have, a government they decide on, freedom and rights and all that fun stuff we take for granted every single day of our lives.
Try to remember, it's not just the Iraqis who's freedom was bought with the blood of American and British troops fighting in a country that wasn't their own. Odds are, yours was as well, so remember that the next time you want to jump on the anti-America bandwagon. We send our own to die for you, do you do the same?
I'm sitting here, reading all these comments, and a lot of them are pure PR from various government agencies, both pro and anti American. So..what I'm seeing isn't the POSTER'S thoughts, but someone else's who they are simply parroting, there's no thinking involved on their part.
We have EU people claiming that Russia isn't part of Europe because..they aren't in the EU? I'm sorry, that just cracked me right the fuck up, really good laugh at that one. And that gives us a VERY clear example of the type of 'thinking' that's being taught in the current EU. Scary huh. European politics makes American politics look pretty tame, just read the European news stories on their own politicos. Most Europeans don't see the big deal about Clinton and the blow jobs, no biggie to them for a government leader to get a little on the side. We Americans, for the most part, feel the same, with ONE little exception...we have a very hard time trusting someone we KNOW will lie, with a straight face, to his own wife and family. We want to know our leader is telling us the truth(or at least think he is) when he tells us something, be it whether he got a blow job on the clock or if some guy in another country has WMD. With Clinton, if he said the sky is blue, most Americans would reflexively look up to confirm or deny that statement.
That's a big difference between Americans and Europeans right there. Lie to us Americans, but don't let us KNOW it, and we'll be ok. Europeans, lie to them and let them know it, they'll be ok. This difference dates back to the very beginning of the US of A, and it's always been one of the biggest yet most subtle differences between us and the Europeans.
Now, as for Saddam, the charges he's facing have the death penalty as the end result in Iraq, so, he ain't got much of a future. Hearing a lot of jabbering about a world court and all that crap, only, the EU's jurisdiction doesn't cover Saddam, the crimes precced the formation of the EU and it's charters
Yes, that's right, the EU isn't all that old kiddies, try to remember that, ok? EUROPE is a continent, and MOST of it's countries have thousands of years of history, but the EU is a very new thing and has no history at all, and it's finding out, no power outside it's own member states(and even that is being brought into question on almost a daily basis judging from the news articles I see). So, the PCA will be the ones to put Saddam on trial and be the ones to execute him, and that'll be the end of over 30 yrs of terror for many Iraqis(the majority actually). Imagine...there's an entire population in Iraq that has NEVER known anything but Saddam and the Ba'athist regime...and now they get a chance to have what we, Americans and Europeans, have, a government they decide on, freedom and rights and all that fun stuff we take for granted every single day of our lives.
Try to remember, it's not just the Iraqis who's freedom was bought with the blood of American and British troops fighting in a country that wasn't their own. Odds are, yours was as well, so remember that the next time you want to jump on the anti-America bandwagon. We send our own to die for you, do you do the same?