space exploration

by **LordFrost** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:05 pm

Do you guys here the sound of the violin playing the saddest tune imaginable?

I pray(not really) for you sad and poor souls that dont realize that we are depleting mother Earth as you read this. We'll consume every bit till there is no more to make money off of. Just what big business wants is your enthusiam for space exploration so they can remain BIG business. They've created a racve of zombies that can't make their own decisions in the land of the "free", and yet the box remains on your head blind to it all. Space Exploration :wall:

. I say take care of home before you go anywhere else. Besides half the money they say they spend on space exploration is going into government offical's back pockets. Once again i say Thers no place like Mother Earth. -frost

by **Jeffro** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:07 pm

Uh...ooookkkk..... :confused:

by **Bagginses** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:13 pm

That's why I say, let the businesses go for it, let our government spend our billions of dollars elsewhere. Imagine if Bush started up a favorable environmental plan with that money.....

-Bagginses

by **CapriccioSCOURG** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:14 pm

Little extreme man, but you do have a point. Point is, the Earth has been here much longer than we have, and will in all probability will be here after we're gone (either by our own design or from the natural cycle of extinction).

Yeah, it'd be cool to colonize the Moon or Mars or something, but we can barely sustain people living in the artic circle, the desert, or at high altitudes.

And there's very very little chance any human will ever leave our own solar system, and even if we did there wouldn't be many places to go.

The best thing to do would be to just to better maintain Earth, rather than look to the stars.

I have nothing against the current space program though, and if anything it needs more funding. Our budget for stuff that's ambigous like "defense" is huge. Do we really need all those aircraft carriers or jets or whatever? But that's another arguement altogether.

by **Jeffro** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 8:14 pm

Originally posted by Bagginses
That's why I say, let the businesses go for it, let our government spend our billions of dollars elsewhere. Imagine if Bush started up a favorable environmental plan with that money.....

-Bagginses

Oh dear god don't vote for bush! :help:

by **LordFrost** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:14 pm

yeah i agree and thanks for putting it in better terms Capriccio....

eh... sorry, but this was supposed to be a response to another thread that was started by someone else about the whole mars exploration. I guess i forgot how to do things since i havent been here for like a year now.
Really i was trying to find a post about me, that Ben Frank posted bad mouthing me, anyone know where its at, i'd like to know?

by **Rand0m** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:29 pm

Originally posted by LordFrost
yeah i agree and thanks for putting it in better terms Capriccio....

eh... sorry, but this was supposed to be a response to another thread that was started by someone else about the whole mars exploration. I guess i forgot how to do things since i havent been here for like a year now.
Really i was trying to find a post about me, that Ben Frank posted bad mouthing me, anyone know where its at, i'd like to know?

Yea its in the rtcw section, and because of the arguments one of our clan members was kicked out :mad:

! Guess thats his own fault though

by **Colonel Ingus** » Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:40 pm

ARRRGGGHHH!!

Here I was trying to be nice and polite to Cappricio in the other thread and he goes and says something as dumb as that.

Try looking outside of the blinders you have on. How about we go out into space, move all that nasty polluting industry that so many environmentalists think is ruining the earth up there, and turn the earth into a giant frigging park! Gee think of that? We could provide for peoples needs, enjoy a high standard of living, and still grow! WOW what a concept.
Oh yeah and take care of the earth at the same time.

And nice anti-capitalism bashing there lord frost but you are wrong, Hoping forces in society you don't like will go away is pretty stupid (See Neville Chamberlain here) You need to to realize that you need to take advantage of the "evil" corporate people and direct them in ways that work towards a good end goal for all.

Reactionary talk is just plain stupid. Good planning and making the most out of what you have to achieve a better staus for everyone is noble

Spouting rhetoric you found on a website advances nothing. get educated, grow up, and then make a difference.

ARRRGGGHHHH You people have forced me to flame and I didn't want to!

And if you really believe that man will never leave the solar system you know nothing about the basic forces behind life itself and understand human nature not at all.

The arrogance of you people! "depleting mother earth" SHE AIN'T YOUR MOTHER!" Mother earth is absolutely nothing like it was a thousand years ago, ten thousand years ago. 10 million years ago. Mother Earth is quite capable of taking care of herself and doesn't need your protection. Do a little research before you respond and check out the Permian era in earths geological history.

by **LordFrost** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 12:21 am

First of all Colonel Ingus take the blinders that you have on off, obviously i've struck a cord you dont agree with, maybe b/c a mind isn't as able to free itseld once it's reached a certain age. Geez, talk about a way of life and people get offended. What are you talkin about move out dirty industry that environmentalist "think" is ruining the earth? It's all around you, you nincompoop! there is evidence that shows the ozone is depleting and that trees are being hacked down at a quicker rate then whores' skirts coming off in Vegas. Not to mention the pollutants your suv disperses. H3....probably gonna be a fuckin bus.

"You need to to realize that you need to take advantage of the "evil" corporate people and direct them in ways that work towards a good end goal for all."

So what do you mean conform? And have a meaningless 9to5 to provide for a family, and go to baseball games then shop at the mall? No thanks Ingus, i will not conform and be thrusted into a continuos cycle of capitalism. With that comes greed my friend and greed brings so much more to the table.
Kudos to you if you have managed to "work" the system, me? i'd rather not become a slave/zombie thank you very much.

"ARRRGGGHHHH You people have forced me to flame and I didn't want to!"

looks to me like you've been socialized real thoroughly. Bah, the sign of a true capitalist pig, blaming shit on others around you and never actually looking within. So how arrogant on your part to actually say mother earth isn't my mother...ummm man did not just spawn like the soliers at ECGN dude. E-V-O-L-U-T-I-O-N. So yes it is mother eart. And no Dweebus mother earth cannot take care of herself b/c we use all her jewls so fast b/c of our technological advances she don't have a chance to recoup.
Never has there been a time/era like this one, never have we depleted so much. Im simply one of those people who refuse to handle a situation when it's too late to grasp. On that note YES I did hit you from there, might wanna dodge next time.
Bumbling Arrogant Fool!

by **Agent-Commando** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:31 am

Originally posted by CapriccioSCOURG

And there's very very little chance any human will ever leave our own solar system, and even if we did there wouldn't be many places to go.

Not many places to go???

Uh, how about the billions of other galaxies, and trillions of other solar systems, not to mention uncountable planets out there?

Anything is possible, nothign is impossible. Bill Gates once said, 640k of RAM is all everyone ever needs... uh LoL!

Einstein said that faster than light propulsion is not possible, well, I know that in the distant future, it will be.

by **PudriK** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 2:52 am

Hey Lord Frost, that meaningless 9 to 5 provided the computer your typing this on, the power that runs it, the wires that link us all up, your food, housing, et cetera, et cetera, ad nauseum...

For one. if you care so much about harming the environment, stop buying PCs. Do you realize how many destructive, corrosive chemicals are released into the environment when a PC is thrown away, let alone manufactured?

One day, I hope, you will realize that any society, no matter how agrarian, requires hard work and will have some effect on the environment. If you really care, you won't be a leach, reaping the benefits of a culture you curse, and instead toss your lot in with the rest of us and try to make this world a better place as a productive member of society.

And please, cool down, you'll find people will actually pay attention to what you say if you present it with civility and courtesy. A little reason and evidence usually help, too.

by **Colonel Ingus** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 3:21 am

Oh my god!

Lord Frost you are an ignorant. First off lets look at some of your arguements.

Ozone Depletion. Hmm

The studies that are supporting what you think. Which by the way were released in the early 80's, came out at a time when NASA needed more funding from the government. OOOHH scare stories!

Actually between 1984 and 1992 the ozone layer nearly doubled itself thru replenshment before CFC's were even banned. I have documented proof of this. care to challenge me?

There are more trees planted every year in America than there are being cut down. Even more so in Canada. You want Americans or Canadians to feel bad that the Brazilians are destroying rainforests? Its not our fault. Get the fuck off of here and go to a Brazilian website you dumbass. There is no one in America or Canada buying Brazilian lumber.

And who the hell said conform? You are really expressing your ignorance by saying that. I said use what they give you and forge a better future.

Idiots like you who believe all or nothing are the worst thing possible. I said take advantage of what they want to do and use it to your advantage but evidently you are to polarized to even realize what I am saying.

And please, you uneducated moron. Mother Earth my ass. Your precious Mother Earth has exterminated more species than mankind even knows about. Or were you too good to check out what I referred to earlier when I mentioned the Permian Era? Ah I guess your beliefs are more trustworthy than actual fact. Tell you what skip the Permian Era and check out the K-T boundary. Go to a friggin museum and look at dinosaur skeletons. Or do you know better than actual history and fact?

by **Lord ZOG** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:07 am

I'd have to say that extinction may be a natural part of evolution, but to have any species become extinct from the direct influence by human beings is not to be sloughed off.

From what I've read the ozone hole over the artic hasn't gotten any smaller.

Also, over-population and pollution have all contributed to increasing the average mean temperature of the planet drastically over the past 100,000 years. The green-house affect is real, and probably our most daunting problem.

The only other thing that has grossly impacted the environment so quickly are catastrophic disasters (meteor strikes, etc.). Human beings have the unique distinction of having as drastic an impact on the environment in as short a time as events that usually occur every 10 million years or so.

If anything space exploration has pointed out to us how delicate our planet's current environment is, and how rare a situation we have here.

Venus is a prime example of a run-away Green-House Affect. Mars is an example of a depleted ozone and unsubstantial atmosphere.

Resources here on Earth are not limitless. The environment is not immune to gross exploitation. The only life form on this planet that has the ability to realize these potential problems is also, ironically, the only life form responsible for shamelessly exploiting its ONLY habitable home.

by **-HaVoC-** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:42 am

It's like a political debate. Everybody expresses there opinion without actually addressing the point and one another.

by **CapriccioSCOURG** » Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:53 pm

Originally posted by Agent-Commando
Not many places to go???

Uh, how about the billions of other galaxies, and trillions of other solar systems, not to mention uncountable planets out there?

Anything is possible, nothign is impossible. Bill Gates once said, 640k of RAM is all everyone ever needs... uh LoL!

Einstein said that faster than light propulsion is not possible, well, I know that in the distant future, it will be.

Yeah, hehe, I did think see that and had wondered what I had meant when I typed it.

I mean that in any foreseeable future there isn't much real possibility of us going anywhere important. Space is called "space" for a reason. It's big, and it has a lot of cool stuff in it, trillions of stars and galaxies and planets, but mostly it's just . . . space. It's so big it's beyond any imagining.

According to what we know now, faster than light propulsion (heck, even light speed propulsion) is fundamentally and theoretically impossible. But yeah.

And Ingus, I assume your comments towards me are based on what I said about "defense" spending. Yeah, it's important. But what I was infering is what I've heard about the future of our armed serives. Maybe you can correct me in my ignorance, but currently and in the future most military operations are conducted on relatively small scales. Special forces type stuff, not your full scale 200,000 cruise missle attacks and whatnot. (sorry, I know this is kinda coming off as a little halfbaked, but stay with me). So, I'm just curious why we need all these weapons, when as the country with the most technologically advanced military in the world we can made do with smaller numbers of more elite units.

Why use a tank when it all you need is a squad of a dozen men with all the best equipment? So, budgeting could be done better, maybe, if that's the case, just as it can be done better for things such as education and medical care and heck, the space program.

"And if you really believe that man will never leave the solar system you know nothing about the basic forces behind life itself and understand human nature not at all."

Or I just know a lot about our solar system, and I'm just pessimistic. Maybe someday, in thousands of years, we'll do it. But then where will we go? The nearest star system? Nothing important there, for all we know. And it's extremely far. No, wait. From here to New Zealand is far. From here to Mars is very, very far. From here to Pluto is insane. From here to the edge of our solar system is twice as insane. From here to anywhere else out there we may want to go? The distance is unimaginable. From our present viewpoint, of course. That's all I'm saying.

So, hopefully it was all just a misunderstanding. (Although I'm still a little ticked at you making fun of my face over in that joke thread :roll:

)

S.S. Lord ZOG, word up.

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