What are you using in your system?

[Killer Mike]

AMD Athlong 1200 MHZ
Geforce 2 MX 400
19 gig HD
256k ram

[tuefelhunden]

Amd xp2200+
msi kt3 ultra-aru
1gb pc2700
geforce3 ti-500
2-60 gb 133 raid
3com server nic
Cable modem 3mb down 384k up (3com)
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dual pIII 700's oc'd to 933mhz
abit vp6 mobo
2gb pc150 ram
ati 8500 128mb video
2-40 gb raid
3com server nic
cable modem 3mb dn 384 up (toshiba)

the second one is just a dedicated server for both 1942 and wolfenstein

[quazi]

Dual pIII 1ghz (that's 2ghz for all j00 n00bahs)
via tech server mobo (scsi/4xagp/dual processor)
4 512 pc3500 ddr ram (that's 2gb of ram) / (2,096mb)
SB Live!
Geforce 3 ti 200
two 55gb scsi 12,000rpm hd's
10/100 nic
24x cdrw (duno what that has to do with gaming :X)


.. that bout does it.

[Lord ZOG Profile]

No offense, Quasi, but just because you have two CPUs, doesn't mean your system runs twice as fast. In fact, a lot of programs don't even take advantage of a dual-CPU setup, except your operating system (Only if it's WinXP Pro or Windows 2000).

I have a couple dual-CPU rigs, and the extra CPU does little for RTCW. Most of the benefits you'll get are your operating system being able to get some behind-the-scenes processes done more efficiently.

My fastest PC is actually my single-CPU rig...and that's mostly due to the OS, the DDR RAM and the video card (a G-Force 4 ti4600). I've benchmarked all my rigs and the dual-CPU rigs are only a little faster than they are with only one CPU.

[quazi]

That is true.. most apps don't unless you specify your os to do so.. it's running win 2k advanced server.. im suprised it even plays bf1942.. it crashe's a lot tho ... blue screens of death on the nvidia drivers, ... btw does anyone know if/when the nv30 / geforce 5 is supposed to be released?

Also the major speed differences are noticed in the long haul for dual cpu's.. having two seperate chip sets operating to complete one thread or multiple threaded requests is faster then a single chipset trying to do so. so a 2ghz cpu is in fact slower then two 1ghz... i've done tests

Let's not forget that on startup the dual cpu's are a little slower, and when i mean on startup i mean 0.000001 seconds slower. once the processes have.. well processed they get done faster, expecially with data being read from a 12,000rpm hd

pe@ce,
Quazi

[Lord ZOG Profile]

Lemme get this straight...you're using Windows 2000 Advanced Server for your gaming machine??

Microsoft must love you, my friend.

[quazi]

hehe... it does other more imporatnt things.. mainly is that this is the only version of windows that can really USE 2gb of ram.. that's the only reason!

[Lord ZOG Profile]

Ever hear of Windows XP Pro?

Scalable memory and processor support Supports up to 4 gigabytes (GB) of RAM and up to two symmetric multiprocessors.

Not only does XP support more hardware, but it's actually much faster.

[quazi]

it may be faster for video games.. but that's not what i use this computer for.. sure i play them on here, but why not it's a damn dual pIII 1ghz with 2gb of ram and two scsi 12,000rpm hd's.. it takes about 10-15 seconds to load a bf1942 map with 60 people in it....

[MMmmGood]

Actually Quazi....your two 1 ghz CPUs dont add up to 2 ghz, more like 1.8.

BF isnt even SMP compatible, so your second CPU isnt even being touched when you play.

[Edogg]

thats right . that second cpu is only good if you wanted to run BF and Rtcw at the same time.

[quazi]

one.. no, i enabled it from within windows to use both cpu's and two 1ghz cpu's is infact 2ghz.. i've tested it and everything i would know i do use it ya know

[Lord ZOG Profile]

I have a feeling this guy will never get it, no matter who tells him what.

MMMmmGood is only the Adminsitrator of one of the best run server's on the Internet. What does he know?

Two 1GHz CPUs does not add up to 2GHz...period, end of story. Your benchmarking software must bite.

[MMmmGood]

Originally posted by quazi
one.. no, i enabled it from within windows to use both cpu's and two 1ghz cpu's is infact 2ghz.. i've tested it and everything i would know i do use it ya know

You are wrong. Dead wrong. You can enable it within Windows all you want, but if the PROGRAM itself isnt written to take advantage of it, then it wont do jack.

Also, your wrong about doubling your CPU power. It is only an 80% or so boost, hence the 1.8 ghz reference.

[quazi]

First off, you can run any fucking gaming server in the world, it doesn't mean you know shit about shit. Secondly I am mcse certified, so i do know what im talking about.. im also cisco certified, not that it matters in this situation..

So how shall i start to break down your shameless bashing and obviously your jelioucy of what i own. I know let's start at the claim that two pIII 1ghz
processors arn't as fast as one 2ghz processor. infact mmmgood you said it was only 1.8ghz for two 1ghz cpu's. So let's see the actual model of the processors on my computer is the pIII-s it is the 1066 / (733) model. It actually has 1.066 ghz, and it has a 133mhz bus 32kb L1 cache and a 512kb (full) L2 cache.

Altho i can see where your confused, I bet you saw that benchmark on intel about the pIV vs the PIII, well the pIII-s or (server) is a different breed of processor then the regular PIII is, just as the PIV is different from the PIV northwood. the newer revision of there processor(s) have redone the pipeline so it is faster then the orrigional.

I can't find any benchmarks online, but i did run some benchmarks against my amd athalon xp 2400 which is .. 1.96 ghz i believe.

I tested it on games and with a few benchmarking aplicaitons and server situations. the dual PIII processors outperformed the athalon xp 2400 by about 10% on every level.

So as you can see, if it was true that two pIII 1ghz cpu's were only capable of using 1.8ghz then how can they outperform 1 amd athalon xp 2400 by 10%.. if im not mistaken 10% of 1.96ghz is 0.196 or 196 mhz difference in (cpu speed).

Sure you can say all you want about there is a lot of other things to consider but both at the time were using windows 2000 pro with the same graphics card, but the athalon only had 512mb of ram.. but that doesn't hinder cpu performance only hinders throuput from the ram to the cpu to get processed.

Also tho it does matter if a game or application is specificly tailord to take advantage of dual performance in windows 2000 advanced server it automaticly distributes the load between both processors in fact when an applicaiton looks for the cpu speed to see what it's maximum usage can be windows 2000 advacned server tells the application it is a "2ghz" machine for the game to take advantage of it.

Only time that it actually hinders performance is with super sampling (i mean audio and video) and 3d modeling and rendering, unless the applicaiton uses both cpu's there is a 5% cpu speed loss for rendering applications..

Also if your thinking that the cpu plays the game in bf1942, no the cpu simply handels sound processing to the sound card (unless you don't have hardware accelerated sound), and memory management, and texture and 3d data to send it to the video card. The only time that a world has to be processed is when something moves on the screen. this means if a player moves or shoots a weapon the cpu then communicates witht he game software, which in turn created a matrix (no not the movie) of what is happening in the game. that is an x,y,z location for all you who don't know. the cpu then tells the gpu (graphics processing unit) where to display a certin triangle or "group of triangles". the gpu loads the texture data from it's internal memory, and if it can't find the data on it's memory chip it then searches the ram of the computer, that uses no relitivly no cpu power except for the cpu to tell the gpu where to search in the ram... then it is passed throuh the agp bus (if you have agp) to the gpu. Now there are also other things you have to consider such as frustrum culling and network code, most of this takes so little cpu usage that a 100mhz could do both no problem. *Frustrum culling makes it so that your gpu doesn't try to display triangles your monitor does not see, without frustrum culilng most games would not run on your or my system for that matter." Where the cpu is needed for bf1942 is in the physics engine.. sence everyone is running around jumping shooting bullets throwing grenades that bounce flying around and bombing eachother it requires the most process out of anything in that game, of course without it the game is unplayable...


To finalize this a dual cpu IS faster then a single cpu of the same speed (ONLY if your operating system enables dual processor support).

Go ahead, reply i'll just show you more proof!