Unfairenheit 9/11
by Face » Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:44 am
beowulf has very valid points even if his delivery is a little profane. But that doesn't bother me 
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by SavageParrot » Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:48 am
Originally posted by beowulf First of all, Cuba isn't some fucking "paradise" with free health care and free school. Its called fucking socialism.[/B]
Nope, it's called communism
Originally posted by beowulf And what are the 7 sanctions against the US on Cuba? [/B]
Read about it yourself here
[i]Originally posted by beowulf [/iOff the subject, is it true you can't drive downtown London? Or you have to pay a ridiculous fine? I mean, WTF!
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Yes it's true you have to book in advance and pay to go in or pay a fine. It's pretty funny, but only because I don't live in London. Not too many Londoners like it.
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by Colonel Ingus » Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:43 am
Slayer you have an inordinate fascination for that dancing lock smiley.
I bet you have been following this thread just waiting for the flames so you could post that!
I bet you have been following this thread just waiting for the flames so you could post that!
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by SavageParrot » Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:51 am
Doesn't seem like a particularly bad thread to me. You guys worry too much.
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by Rule of Wrist » Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:59 am
Nothing wrong with this thread. The RTCW threads had WAY more flaming in them, and weren't locked...
Here is an article that says all I need to know about the Iraq situation:
THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE
by Larry Abraham,
January 29, 2004
(Note: Larry Abraham is editor of a monthly newsletter entitled "Insider Report." It tracks global trends, with emphasis on information for investors.)
President Bush and his administration spokesmen are not telling the American people what they really need to know about this "war." If they don't do that between now and November, it may cost them the
election.
The war against terror did not begin on September 11, 2001, nor will it end with the peaceful transition to civilian authority in Iraq, whenever that may be. In fact, Iraq is but a footnote in the bigger context of this encounter, but an important one none the less.
This war is what the Jihadists themselves are calling the "Third Great Jihad." They are operating within the framework of a time line which reaches back to the very creation of Islam in the seventh century and
are presently attempting to recreate the dynamics which gave rise to the religion in the first two hundred years of its existence.
No religion in history grew as fast, in its infancy, and the reasons for the initial growth of Islam are not hard to explain when you understand what the world was like at the time of Mohammed's death in
632 AD. Remember that the Western Roman Empire was in ruins and the Eastern Empire, based in
Constantinople, was trying desperately to keep the power of its early grandeur while transitioning to Christianity as a de facto state religion. The costs to the average person were large as he was being
required to meet the constantly rising taxes levied by the state along with the tithes coerced by the Church.
What Islam offered was the "carrot or the sword". If you became a convert, your taxes were immediately eliminated, as was your tithe. If you didn't, you faced death. The choice was not hard for most to make,
unless you were a very devoted martyr in the making. At the beginning, even the theology was not too hard for most to swallow, considering that both Jewry and Christianity were given their due by the Prophet. There is but one God-Allah, and Mohammed is His Prophet, as was Jesus, and the pre-Christian Jewish prophets of the Torah (Old Testament). Both were called "Children of the book" -- the book being the Koran, which replaced both the Old and New Testaments for former Christians and Jews.
With this practical approach to spreading the "word", Islam grew like wildfire, reaching out from the Saudi Arabian Peninsula in all directions. This early growth is what the Muslims call the "First" great Jihad and it met with little resistance until Charles Martel of France, the father of Charlemagne, stopped them in the battle of Tours in France, after they had firmly established Islam on the Iberian Peninsula. This first onslaught against the West continued in various forms and at various times until Islam was finally driven out of Spain in 1492 at the battle of Granada.
The "Second Great Jihad" came with the Ottoman Turks. This empire succeeded in bringing about the downfall of Constantinople as a Christian stronghold and an end to Roman hegemony in all of its forms.
The Ottoman Empire was Islam's most successful expansion of territory even though the religion itself had fractured into warring sects and bitter rivalries with each claiming the ultimate truths in "the ways
of the Prophet". By 1683 the Ottomans had suffered a series of defeats on both land and sea and the final, unsuccessful attempt to capture Vienna set the stage for the collapse of any further territorial
ambitions and Islam shrunk into various sheikhdoms, emir dominated principalities, and roving tribes of nomads.
However, by this time a growing anti-western sentiment, blaming its internal failures on anyone but themselves, was taking hold and setting the stage for a new revival known as Wahhabism, a sect which
came into full bloom under the House of Saud on the Arabian Peninsula shortly before the onset of WWI.
It is this Wahhabi version of Islam which has infected the religion itself, now finding adherents in almost all branches and sects, especially the Shiites.
Wahhabiism calls for the complete and total rejection or destruction of anything and everything which is not based in the original teachings of The Prophet and finds its most glaring practice in the policies of the Afghani Taliban or the Shiite practices of the late Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran. Its Ali Pasha (Field Marshall) is now known as Osama bin Laden, the leader of the "Third Jihad", who is Wahhabi as were his 9/11 attack teams, 18 of which were also Saudi.
The strategy for this "holy war" did not begin with the planning of the destruction of the World Trade Center. It began with the toppling of the Shah of Iran back in the late 1970's. With his plans and
programs to "westernize" his country, along with his close ties to the U.S. and subdued acceptance of the State of Israel, the Shah was the soft target. Remember "America Held Hostage"?
Thanks, in large part to the hypocritical and disastrous policies of the Jimmy Carter State Department, the revolution was set into motion, the Shah was deposed, his armed forces scattered or murdered and stage one was complete. The Third Jihad now had a base of operations and the oil wealth to support its grand design or what they call the "Great Caliphate".
What this design calls for is the replacement of all secular leadership in any country with Muslim majorities. This would include, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, all the Emirates, Sudan, Tunisia,
Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Malaysia, Indonesia and finally what they call the "occupied territory" Israel.
As a part of this strategy, forces of the Jihad will infiltrate governments and the military as a prelude to taking control, once the secular leadership is ousted or assassinated. Such was the case in
Lebanon leading to the Syrian occupation and in Egypt with the murder of Anwar Sadat, along with the multiple attempts on the lives of Hussein in Jordan, Mubarak of Egypt and Musharraf in Pakistan.
Pakistan is a particular prize because of its nuclear weapons. (Please note al Qaeda call for the Islamic-militant overthrow of Musharraf in Pakistan on March 25, just yesterday.)
The long-range strategy of the Third Jihad counts on three strategic goals. First, the U.S. withdrawing from the region just as it did in Southeast Asia, following Vietnam. Second, taking control of the oil
wealth in the Muslim countries, which would be upwards to 75% of known reserves; third, using nuclear weapons or other WMDs to annihilate Israel. A further outcome of successfully achieving these objectives would be to place the United Nations as the sole arbiter in East/West negotiations and paralyze western resistance, leading to total withdrawal from all Islamic dominated countries. Evidence of the Bush Administration awareness of this plan is found in the events immediately following the 9/11 attack. The administration's first move was to shore up Pakistan and Egypt, believing that these two would be the next targets for al Qaeda, while Americans focused on the disaster in New York. The administration also knew that the most important objective was to send a loud and clear message that the U.S. was in the region to stay, not only to shore up our allies but to send a message to the Jihadists.
The attack on Afghanistan was necessary to break-up a secure al Qaeda base of operations and put their leadership on the run or in prison.
The war in Iraq also met a very strategic necessity in that no one knew how much collaboration existed between Saddam Hussein and the master planners of the Third Jihad or Hussein's willingness to hand
off WMDs to terrorist groups including the PLO in Israel. What was known were serious indications of on-going collaboration as Saddam funneled money to families of suicide bombers attacking the Israelis
and others in Kuwait.
What the U.S. needed to establish was a significant base of operations smack dab in the middle of the Islamic world, in a location which effectively cut it in half. Iraq was the ideal target for this and a host of other strategic reasons.
Leadership of various anti-American groups both here and abroad understood the vital nature of the Bush initiative and thus launched their demonstrations, world-wide, to "Stop The War". Failing this, they also laid plans to build a political campaign inside the country, with the War in Iraq as a plebiscite, using a little known politician as the thrust point -- Howard Dean. This helps to explain how quickly the Radical Left moved into the Dean campaign with both people and money, creating what the clueless media called the "Dean Phenomenon".
By building on the left-wing base in the Democrat party and the "Hate Bush" crowd, the campaign has already resulted in a consensus among the aspirants, minus Joe Lieberman, to withdraw the U.S. from Iraq and turn the operation over to the U.N. And, if past is prologue, i.e., Vietnam, once the U.S. leaves it will not go back under any circumstances, possibly even the destruction of Israel.
Should George W. Bush be defeated in November, we could expect to see the dominoes start to fall in the secular Islamic countries and The Clash of Civilizations, predicted several years ago by Samuel
Huntington, would then become a life changing event in all of our lives.
What surprised the Jihadists following the 9/11 attack was how American sentiment mobilized around the president and a profound sense of patriotism spread across the country. They were not expecting this
reaction, based on what had happened in the past, nor were they expecting the determined resolve of the President himself. I also believe this is one of the reasons we have not had any further attacks within our borders. They are content to wait, just as one of their tactical mentors; V.I. Lenin admonished..."two steps forward, one step back".
A couple additional events serve as valuable footnotes to the current circumstances we face: the destruction of the human assets factor of the CIA during the Carter presidency, presided over by the late
Senator Frank Church. This fact has plagued our intelligence agencies right up to this very day with consequences which are now obvious. And, Jimmy Carter himself, the one man who must bear the bulk of the responsibility for setting the stage of the Third Jihad. Americans should find little comfort in how the Democrat contenders constantly seek the "advice and counsel" of this despicable little hypocrite.
Lastly, we should not expect to see any meaningful cooperation from Western Europe, especially the French. Since failing to protect their own interests in Algeria (by turning the country over to the first of
the Arab terrorists, Ammad Ben Bella), the country itself is now occupied by Islamic immigrants totaling twenty percent of the population.
We are in the battle of our lives, a battle which will go on for many years possibly even generations. If we fail to understand what we are facing or falter in the challenge of "knowing our enemy" the results will be catastrophic. Imagine a world where al Qaeda regimes control 75% of the world's oil, have at their disposal nuclear weapons, legions of willing suicide soldiers, and our national survival is dependent on the good graces of Kofi Annan and the United Nations.
There is one final footnote which may be the scariest of all. Either none of the Democrats currently leading the drive to their party's nomination are aware of the facts of the Great Caliphate and Third
Jihad, or they do know and they don't care so long as their power lust is satisfied. But, I can guarantee you one thing for sure: some of their most ardent supporters are aware of this and will do anything
they can to bring it about
***************************End of Report**********************
Note....this was written before John Kerry had the nomination sewed up...but recent events clearly demonstrate that Kerry is going to fulfill Abraham's prediction of the Democrats calling for the UN and
the French/Germans/Spain coalition to force the US out of Iraq. Also understand that the current 9/11 hearings are a political show, and Clarke's book were timed for these hearings and the campaign. And this is why Dr. Condoleezza Rice is seeking a private meeting with this commission to tell it like it is. The national security issues involved around 9/11 cannot be an open book to the public, and I believe we have to understand that.
This is scary stuff. President Bush and the Republicans are obviously extremely cautious in bringing this issue to the campaign because the left leaning media and the Kerry Democratic left would call this racist against Islam and a distraction for the alleged lies of WMD and our reasons for going into Iraq. Bush correctly referred to the axis of evil (Iran, Libya, Iraq and North Korea) as a pointed strategy to blunt the WMD terrorist movement and he has been very successful in thwarting al Qaeda, despite what everyone on the left says. We are far better off without the threat from Iraq and Libya -- all within the last 12 months. We are threatened in Pakistan and if Musharraf is assassinated (it's been tried several times in the past year), we can see how the militants will gain control of Pakistan's nuclear weapons, which have already spread to Iran (by a militant Islamic scientist) and if Musharraf is "taken out", we have both Iran and Pakistan as militant Islamic power bases armed with nuclear weapons. And let's not overlook Abraham's issue about the potential for militant Islamic states who would control 75% of the world's oil.
This probably is why Dick Cheney, Rice, Powell, and Wolfowitz are so committed to the belief that we are in this struggle for the free world as we have known it and focused on defeating the militant Islamic al Qaeda's global strategy. They skirt the core issues raised by Abraham in this article because of the political-correctness implications, but after reading this, you understand what is at stake here. Kerry and the liberal Democrats want control of Washington at any price. Abraham clearly spells out what price that is: Victory for al Qaeda and the Islamic militancy.
Abraham's article brought all of these issues together and why it is important for us to gain this perspective and educate our friends and associates.
This is a deeply impressive, cogent, and intelligent overview of the militant Islamic movement. Pass on Abraham's article to those who have a need to know, which is just about everybody.
Larry Abraham is at http://www.insiderreport.net
Here is an article that says all I need to know about the Iraq situation:
THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE
by Larry Abraham,
January 29, 2004
(Note: Larry Abraham is editor of a monthly newsletter entitled "Insider Report." It tracks global trends, with emphasis on information for investors.)
President Bush and his administration spokesmen are not telling the American people what they really need to know about this "war." If they don't do that between now and November, it may cost them the
election.
The war against terror did not begin on September 11, 2001, nor will it end with the peaceful transition to civilian authority in Iraq, whenever that may be. In fact, Iraq is but a footnote in the bigger context of this encounter, but an important one none the less.
This war is what the Jihadists themselves are calling the "Third Great Jihad." They are operating within the framework of a time line which reaches back to the very creation of Islam in the seventh century and
are presently attempting to recreate the dynamics which gave rise to the religion in the first two hundred years of its existence.
No religion in history grew as fast, in its infancy, and the reasons for the initial growth of Islam are not hard to explain when you understand what the world was like at the time of Mohammed's death in
632 AD. Remember that the Western Roman Empire was in ruins and the Eastern Empire, based in
Constantinople, was trying desperately to keep the power of its early grandeur while transitioning to Christianity as a de facto state religion. The costs to the average person were large as he was being
required to meet the constantly rising taxes levied by the state along with the tithes coerced by the Church.
What Islam offered was the "carrot or the sword". If you became a convert, your taxes were immediately eliminated, as was your tithe. If you didn't, you faced death. The choice was not hard for most to make,
unless you were a very devoted martyr in the making. At the beginning, even the theology was not too hard for most to swallow, considering that both Jewry and Christianity were given their due by the Prophet. There is but one God-Allah, and Mohammed is His Prophet, as was Jesus, and the pre-Christian Jewish prophets of the Torah (Old Testament). Both were called "Children of the book" -- the book being the Koran, which replaced both the Old and New Testaments for former Christians and Jews.
With this practical approach to spreading the "word", Islam grew like wildfire, reaching out from the Saudi Arabian Peninsula in all directions. This early growth is what the Muslims call the "First" great Jihad and it met with little resistance until Charles Martel of France, the father of Charlemagne, stopped them in the battle of Tours in France, after they had firmly established Islam on the Iberian Peninsula. This first onslaught against the West continued in various forms and at various times until Islam was finally driven out of Spain in 1492 at the battle of Granada.
The "Second Great Jihad" came with the Ottoman Turks. This empire succeeded in bringing about the downfall of Constantinople as a Christian stronghold and an end to Roman hegemony in all of its forms.
The Ottoman Empire was Islam's most successful expansion of territory even though the religion itself had fractured into warring sects and bitter rivalries with each claiming the ultimate truths in "the ways
of the Prophet". By 1683 the Ottomans had suffered a series of defeats on both land and sea and the final, unsuccessful attempt to capture Vienna set the stage for the collapse of any further territorial
ambitions and Islam shrunk into various sheikhdoms, emir dominated principalities, and roving tribes of nomads.
However, by this time a growing anti-western sentiment, blaming its internal failures on anyone but themselves, was taking hold and setting the stage for a new revival known as Wahhabism, a sect which
came into full bloom under the House of Saud on the Arabian Peninsula shortly before the onset of WWI.
It is this Wahhabi version of Islam which has infected the religion itself, now finding adherents in almost all branches and sects, especially the Shiites.
Wahhabiism calls for the complete and total rejection or destruction of anything and everything which is not based in the original teachings of The Prophet and finds its most glaring practice in the policies of the Afghani Taliban or the Shiite practices of the late Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran. Its Ali Pasha (Field Marshall) is now known as Osama bin Laden, the leader of the "Third Jihad", who is Wahhabi as were his 9/11 attack teams, 18 of which were also Saudi.
The strategy for this "holy war" did not begin with the planning of the destruction of the World Trade Center. It began with the toppling of the Shah of Iran back in the late 1970's. With his plans and
programs to "westernize" his country, along with his close ties to the U.S. and subdued acceptance of the State of Israel, the Shah was the soft target. Remember "America Held Hostage"?
Thanks, in large part to the hypocritical and disastrous policies of the Jimmy Carter State Department, the revolution was set into motion, the Shah was deposed, his armed forces scattered or murdered and stage one was complete. The Third Jihad now had a base of operations and the oil wealth to support its grand design or what they call the "Great Caliphate".
What this design calls for is the replacement of all secular leadership in any country with Muslim majorities. This would include, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, all the Emirates, Sudan, Tunisia,
Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Malaysia, Indonesia and finally what they call the "occupied territory" Israel.
As a part of this strategy, forces of the Jihad will infiltrate governments and the military as a prelude to taking control, once the secular leadership is ousted or assassinated. Such was the case in
Lebanon leading to the Syrian occupation and in Egypt with the murder of Anwar Sadat, along with the multiple attempts on the lives of Hussein in Jordan, Mubarak of Egypt and Musharraf in Pakistan.
Pakistan is a particular prize because of its nuclear weapons. (Please note al Qaeda call for the Islamic-militant overthrow of Musharraf in Pakistan on March 25, just yesterday.)
The long-range strategy of the Third Jihad counts on three strategic goals. First, the U.S. withdrawing from the region just as it did in Southeast Asia, following Vietnam. Second, taking control of the oil
wealth in the Muslim countries, which would be upwards to 75% of known reserves; third, using nuclear weapons or other WMDs to annihilate Israel. A further outcome of successfully achieving these objectives would be to place the United Nations as the sole arbiter in East/West negotiations and paralyze western resistance, leading to total withdrawal from all Islamic dominated countries. Evidence of the Bush Administration awareness of this plan is found in the events immediately following the 9/11 attack. The administration's first move was to shore up Pakistan and Egypt, believing that these two would be the next targets for al Qaeda, while Americans focused on the disaster in New York. The administration also knew that the most important objective was to send a loud and clear message that the U.S. was in the region to stay, not only to shore up our allies but to send a message to the Jihadists.
The attack on Afghanistan was necessary to break-up a secure al Qaeda base of operations and put their leadership on the run or in prison.
The war in Iraq also met a very strategic necessity in that no one knew how much collaboration existed between Saddam Hussein and the master planners of the Third Jihad or Hussein's willingness to hand
off WMDs to terrorist groups including the PLO in Israel. What was known were serious indications of on-going collaboration as Saddam funneled money to families of suicide bombers attacking the Israelis
and others in Kuwait.
What the U.S. needed to establish was a significant base of operations smack dab in the middle of the Islamic world, in a location which effectively cut it in half. Iraq was the ideal target for this and a host of other strategic reasons.
Leadership of various anti-American groups both here and abroad understood the vital nature of the Bush initiative and thus launched their demonstrations, world-wide, to "Stop The War". Failing this, they also laid plans to build a political campaign inside the country, with the War in Iraq as a plebiscite, using a little known politician as the thrust point -- Howard Dean. This helps to explain how quickly the Radical Left moved into the Dean campaign with both people and money, creating what the clueless media called the "Dean Phenomenon".
By building on the left-wing base in the Democrat party and the "Hate Bush" crowd, the campaign has already resulted in a consensus among the aspirants, minus Joe Lieberman, to withdraw the U.S. from Iraq and turn the operation over to the U.N. And, if past is prologue, i.e., Vietnam, once the U.S. leaves it will not go back under any circumstances, possibly even the destruction of Israel.
Should George W. Bush be defeated in November, we could expect to see the dominoes start to fall in the secular Islamic countries and The Clash of Civilizations, predicted several years ago by Samuel
Huntington, would then become a life changing event in all of our lives.
What surprised the Jihadists following the 9/11 attack was how American sentiment mobilized around the president and a profound sense of patriotism spread across the country. They were not expecting this
reaction, based on what had happened in the past, nor were they expecting the determined resolve of the President himself. I also believe this is one of the reasons we have not had any further attacks within our borders. They are content to wait, just as one of their tactical mentors; V.I. Lenin admonished..."two steps forward, one step back".
A couple additional events serve as valuable footnotes to the current circumstances we face: the destruction of the human assets factor of the CIA during the Carter presidency, presided over by the late
Senator Frank Church. This fact has plagued our intelligence agencies right up to this very day with consequences which are now obvious. And, Jimmy Carter himself, the one man who must bear the bulk of the responsibility for setting the stage of the Third Jihad. Americans should find little comfort in how the Democrat contenders constantly seek the "advice and counsel" of this despicable little hypocrite.
Lastly, we should not expect to see any meaningful cooperation from Western Europe, especially the French. Since failing to protect their own interests in Algeria (by turning the country over to the first of
the Arab terrorists, Ammad Ben Bella), the country itself is now occupied by Islamic immigrants totaling twenty percent of the population.
We are in the battle of our lives, a battle which will go on for many years possibly even generations. If we fail to understand what we are facing or falter in the challenge of "knowing our enemy" the results will be catastrophic. Imagine a world where al Qaeda regimes control 75% of the world's oil, have at their disposal nuclear weapons, legions of willing suicide soldiers, and our national survival is dependent on the good graces of Kofi Annan and the United Nations.
There is one final footnote which may be the scariest of all. Either none of the Democrats currently leading the drive to their party's nomination are aware of the facts of the Great Caliphate and Third
Jihad, or they do know and they don't care so long as their power lust is satisfied. But, I can guarantee you one thing for sure: some of their most ardent supporters are aware of this and will do anything
they can to bring it about
***************************End of Report**********************
Note....this was written before John Kerry had the nomination sewed up...but recent events clearly demonstrate that Kerry is going to fulfill Abraham's prediction of the Democrats calling for the UN and
the French/Germans/Spain coalition to force the US out of Iraq. Also understand that the current 9/11 hearings are a political show, and Clarke's book were timed for these hearings and the campaign. And this is why Dr. Condoleezza Rice is seeking a private meeting with this commission to tell it like it is. The national security issues involved around 9/11 cannot be an open book to the public, and I believe we have to understand that.
This is scary stuff. President Bush and the Republicans are obviously extremely cautious in bringing this issue to the campaign because the left leaning media and the Kerry Democratic left would call this racist against Islam and a distraction for the alleged lies of WMD and our reasons for going into Iraq. Bush correctly referred to the axis of evil (Iran, Libya, Iraq and North Korea) as a pointed strategy to blunt the WMD terrorist movement and he has been very successful in thwarting al Qaeda, despite what everyone on the left says. We are far better off without the threat from Iraq and Libya -- all within the last 12 months. We are threatened in Pakistan and if Musharraf is assassinated (it's been tried several times in the past year), we can see how the militants will gain control of Pakistan's nuclear weapons, which have already spread to Iran (by a militant Islamic scientist) and if Musharraf is "taken out", we have both Iran and Pakistan as militant Islamic power bases armed with nuclear weapons. And let's not overlook Abraham's issue about the potential for militant Islamic states who would control 75% of the world's oil.
This probably is why Dick Cheney, Rice, Powell, and Wolfowitz are so committed to the belief that we are in this struggle for the free world as we have known it and focused on defeating the militant Islamic al Qaeda's global strategy. They skirt the core issues raised by Abraham in this article because of the political-correctness implications, but after reading this, you understand what is at stake here. Kerry and the liberal Democrats want control of Washington at any price. Abraham clearly spells out what price that is: Victory for al Qaeda and the Islamic militancy.
Abraham's article brought all of these issues together and why it is important for us to gain this perspective and educate our friends and associates.
This is a deeply impressive, cogent, and intelligent overview of the militant Islamic movement. Pass on Abraham's article to those who have a need to know, which is just about everybody.
Larry Abraham is at http://www.insiderreport.net
by Sir Loin » Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:00 pm
Originally posted by Murgatroyd
I've got it bad, got it bad, got it bad.. I'm hot for teacher..
whoops.. wrong thread.
F'ing hillarious murg:rotflmao:
When the boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris.
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by Mr. Slayer » Wed Jun 30, 2004 12:27 pm
Yes actually you're correct.Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
Slayer you have an inordinate fascination for that dancing lock smiley.
I bet you have been following this thread just waiting for the flames so you could post that!
I didn't want to post any opinions though just because some things are better left unsaid.....
And yes I'm obsessed with the lock smiley and the badger smiley as well.
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by Colonel Savage » Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:40 pm
I'm scared to poke my head in here for fear of having it bit off, but I can't resist a few token comments. Now as a Canadian, it's obvious that a) I have anti-Bush leanings and b) I am just an outsider looking in. So I'll be brief, and as detached as possible.
On the subject of Presidents and military service:
Don't think it's important or a pre-requisite for office, personally. No need to judge people on it. But to answer whomever's question it was (can't find your post again, so I apologize if I take anything out of context) about presidents before Bush Sr. who had served, the answer would be: all of them. At least for the second half of the 20th century. Of the 12 presidents who have taken office since 1933, only FDR and Clinton have not served. All the rest did. And all of them, save Carter, served during a war. Not all were front line units (Reagan ended up in a film unit, I believe), but it was still a war and they were still all in uniform. Interesting trivia.
On the subject of going to 'war' in Iraq:
I think Jon Stewart said it best... "Here are four conditions: (1) Weapons of mass destruction; (2) threats or inflammatory denunciations of the U.S.; (3) harboring and abetting terrorists; and (4) opppressing their own people. Now, name the country I'm talking about."
Given the above, it stands to reason that the Americans are in for a long, long, series of wars in foreign countries. What a depressing thought.
Finally, on the subject of Larry Abraham's little article:
I don't know about the rest of you, but It reads overly conspiratorial to me.
On the subject of Presidents and military service:
Don't think it's important or a pre-requisite for office, personally. No need to judge people on it. But to answer whomever's question it was (can't find your post again, so I apologize if I take anything out of context) about presidents before Bush Sr. who had served, the answer would be: all of them. At least for the second half of the 20th century. Of the 12 presidents who have taken office since 1933, only FDR and Clinton have not served. All the rest did. And all of them, save Carter, served during a war. Not all were front line units (Reagan ended up in a film unit, I believe), but it was still a war and they were still all in uniform. Interesting trivia.
On the subject of going to 'war' in Iraq:
I think Jon Stewart said it best... "Here are four conditions: (1) Weapons of mass destruction; (2) threats or inflammatory denunciations of the U.S.; (3) harboring and abetting terrorists; and (4) opppressing their own people. Now, name the country I'm talking about."
Given the above, it stands to reason that the Americans are in for a long, long, series of wars in foreign countries. What a depressing thought.
Finally, on the subject of Larry Abraham's little article:
I don't know about the rest of you, but It reads overly conspiratorial to me.
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by Colonel Ingus » Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:47 pm
Regarding Rule's post on:
I don't find it conspiratorial at all. In fact I can easily believe almost everything written there. A lot of which I have already found evidence for and realized for myself.
I don't see the Democratic party as willing conspirators in subverting the war on Islam. I may be being naive but I would like to think no one would go that far in America. I see them more as pawns that will turn the other cheek just to get into power. Mind you I am not saying that the republicans are angels by comparison, but I can see the liberal opposition being unwilling accomplices in helping out the fanatical part of Islam.
Look at all the wonderful good the previous administrations programs did in propping up and improving North Korea and getting all kinds of wonderful technology into Chinese hands. For a nominal donation to DNC coffers of course.
The problem with Westerners, and America in particular, , is that we have short attention spans. Our choices change daily, hell we change governments on average every 4 years. Its hard for anyone here to consider a long term plan that will take decades to accomplish but you are a fool if you think others aren't capable of doing it.
And lets not make the mistake of calling this a Holy War. Its not. Its a sector of Arab society using religion to sieze power. Many of the things these asshats are doing go directly against the teachings of the Koran. But that doesn't stop poor, uneducated, and properly indoctrinated true believers from following them.
Ask the Soviets, The Vietnamese, the Japanese or Germans about the power of properly indoctrinated populations.
I see many of the things Mr Abraham wrote here. But then again I have been following this since the hostage situation in Iran. Every male member of my immediate family and most of my male cousins have spent time in the Persian gulf thru-out the eighties and the 90's.
Iran has had an active subversion program thru-out the entire region since it became a religous theocracy. There is plenty of evidence just lying around pointing this out. Easy ones like Hezbollah come readily to mind.
One only has to look at the recent long lasting conflict against communism with over 70 years of slow steady expanionism policies. You will see what has been happening in the Mid East for the last 25 years has many similarities. This time the cover is religion instead of political systems being used as a front ( as if there is any difference)
THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE
I don't find it conspiratorial at all. In fact I can easily believe almost everything written there. A lot of which I have already found evidence for and realized for myself.
I don't see the Democratic party as willing conspirators in subverting the war on Islam. I may be being naive but I would like to think no one would go that far in America. I see them more as pawns that will turn the other cheek just to get into power. Mind you I am not saying that the republicans are angels by comparison, but I can see the liberal opposition being unwilling accomplices in helping out the fanatical part of Islam.
Look at all the wonderful good the previous administrations programs did in propping up and improving North Korea and getting all kinds of wonderful technology into Chinese hands. For a nominal donation to DNC coffers of course.
The problem with Westerners, and America in particular, , is that we have short attention spans. Our choices change daily, hell we change governments on average every 4 years. Its hard for anyone here to consider a long term plan that will take decades to accomplish but you are a fool if you think others aren't capable of doing it.
And lets not make the mistake of calling this a Holy War. Its not. Its a sector of Arab society using religion to sieze power. Many of the things these asshats are doing go directly against the teachings of the Koran. But that doesn't stop poor, uneducated, and properly indoctrinated true believers from following them.
Ask the Soviets, The Vietnamese, the Japanese or Germans about the power of properly indoctrinated populations.
I see many of the things Mr Abraham wrote here. But then again I have been following this since the hostage situation in Iran. Every male member of my immediate family and most of my male cousins have spent time in the Persian gulf thru-out the eighties and the 90's.
Iran has had an active subversion program thru-out the entire region since it became a religous theocracy. There is plenty of evidence just lying around pointing this out. Easy ones like Hezbollah come readily to mind.
One only has to look at the recent long lasting conflict against communism with over 70 years of slow steady expanionism policies. You will see what has been happening in the Mid East for the last 25 years has many similarities. This time the cover is religion instead of political systems being used as a front ( as if there is any difference)
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