How many WMD's need be discovered

by **igloo17** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:24 pm

How many WMD's need be discovered?

For what?

If you mean how many for the liberal Dem's to beleive the WMD's existed and still do, then even finding and removing over a trillion WMD's would not be enough. Listen to what they are saying, even tho WMD's have been found, they still claims there are not any and still claim none will be found.

What needs to happen is we need to ask some serious questions to the Dem's & media, that say they don't exist, when WMD's have been found, and more and more will be found.

The WMD's exist.

by **Colonel Ingus** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:27 pm

Tsk Tsk Tsk. RCglider you know that anything that happened at the UN that doesn't support the Anti-US agenda is unimportant. Much like the scandals rocking it.

Now if you had brought up information that actually accussed the US of doing something against a UN mandate then it would be germaine to a discussion.

I am surprised at you. You should know better. Just because Iraq had pretty much unanimous condemnation prior to the 2nd Gulf war and that nearly every nation believed there were WMD materials in Iraq in no reason to try and use that actual fact and truth as something to support what you merely believe is right.

You and your silly right wing propaganda.

by **RCglider** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:56 pm

Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
Tsk Tsk Tsk. RCglider you know that anything that happened at the UN that doesn't support the Anti-US agenda is unimportant. Much like the scandals rocking it.

Now if you had brought up information that actually accussed the US of doing something against a UN mandate then it would be germaine to a discussion.

I am surprised at you. You should know better. Just because Iraq had pretty much unanimous condemnation prior to the 2nd Gulf war and that nearly every nation believed there were WMD materials in Iraq in no reason to try and use that actual fact and truth as something to support what you merely believe is right.

You and your silly right wing propaganda.

by **JimmyTango** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:55 am

Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham announced today that the Department of Energy (DOE) and the Department of Defense (DOD) have completed a joint operation to secure and remove from Iraq radiological and nuclear materials that could potentially be used in a radiological dispersal device or diverted to support a nuclear weapons program.

This is the first sentence. it clearly says this is not a weapon.

Again, if the WMD have been found, why is there not been a huge press announcement by Bush? You know damn well he woudl have one the very day they foudn them, he has to to drum up support for his reelection!!!

Why is it Bush, Blair, etc all CONTINUALLY say no WMD have been found, and Blair just said it the other day and added that they most likely will never be found.

You guys talk about 'propaganda,' yet the very leaders you are praising for finding WMD say THEY HAVE NOT FOUND THEM!!!!!! Come on.............

by **igloo17** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:01 am

Originally posted by igloo17
How many WMD's need be discovered?

For what?

If you mean how many for the liberal Dem's to beleive the WMD's existed and still do, then even finding and removing over a trillion WMD's would not be enough. Listen to what they are saying, even tho WMD's have been found, they still claims there are not any and still claim none will be found.

What needs to happen is we need to ask some serious questions to the Dem's & media, that say they don't exist, when WMD's have been found, and more and more will be found.

The WMD's exist.

I think my post above answers your questions. The media buries the good news about catching terrorists, or has it on page 56 of thier newspaper. Same goes for finding WMD's. As most if not all the major media supports the Dem's. So come on and wake up to the hard truth that this is about securing the USA and the whole planet from terrorists.

by **RCglider** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 9:27 am

Originally posted by JimmyTango
Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham announced today that the Department of Energy (DOE) and the Department of Defense (DOD) have completed a joint operation to secure and remove from Iraq radiological and nuclear materials that could potentially be used in a radiological dispersal device or diverted to support a nuclear weapons program.

This is the first sentence. it clearly says this is not a weapon.

Again, if the WMD have been found, why is there not been a huge press announcement by Bush? You know damn well he woudl have one the very day they foudn them, he has to to drum up support for his reelection!!!

Why is it Bush, Blair, etc all CONTINUALLY say no WMD have been found, and Blair just said it the other day and added that they most likely will never be found.

You guys talk about 'propaganda,' yet the very leaders you are praising for finding WMD say THEY HAVE NOT FOUND THEM!!!!!! Come on.............

Is this material that Sadam Hussein claimed he didn't have? As I understand it, this is undeclared nuclear material. I'd find it hard to believe it would be acceptable. Did Inspections through June 1, 1998 report this material? Did Iraq obtain it after inspections ceased in 1998?

What is a radiological dispersal device? Fireworks?

From 1998:
Iraq's Nuclear File: Still Open

By Mohammed ElBaradei

Monday, June 1, 1998; Page A17

News stories have been circulating that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is about to issue Iraq a clean bill of health and to close the nuclear file. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Following the gulf war, the U.N. Security Council entrusted the agency with the task of neutralizing Iraq's nuclear weapons program, while entrusting a Special Commission established under the aegis of the Security Council (UNSCOM) to do the same with regard to Iraq's chemical and biological weapons and long-range missile systems. With this mandate the council also provided both bodies with broad rights of investigation and inspection, rights vastly more far-reaching than those available to the IAEA prior to the gulf war, when inspections did not detect Iraq's clandestine nuclear program.

With respect to the "nuclear file," a number of issues are being raised and debated. Does Iraq still possess nuclear weapons or weapon-usable nuclear material? Does Iraq retain the practical capability -- i.e., the scientific and engineering hardware -- to produce dangerous amounts of weapon-usable nuclear material? My agency's answer to these questions after seven years of investigation and inspection is that there are "no indications" that Iraq retains the material or practical capability to produce nuclear weapons, but it must be understood that "no indication" is not the same as "no existence." This is because no matter how comprehensive the inspection, any country-wide verification process, in Iraq or anywhere else, has a degree of uncertainty that aims to verify the absence of readily concealable objects such as small amounts of nuclear material or weapons components.

In saying that there are at present no indications that Iraq has nuclear weapons, weapon-usable nuclear material or the practical capabilities to produce them, the agency has relied on its intensive and wide-searching investigation and inspection, which over time enabled the agency to develop a coherent picture of Iraq's clandestine nuclear program and to neutralize it through the destruction, removal or rendering harmless of all weapon-related items that came to its knowledge.

Because we need continuing reaffirmation that we have in fact neutralized the past program and that it will not be reconstituted, we have introduced, with the approval of the Security Council, an equally comprehensive and vigorous monitoring and verification regime that aims to detect any indication of Iraq continuing or rebuilding its nuclear-weapons program. The regime has the twin objectives of checking that Iraq's known technical and industrial assets are not used for prohibited purposes and, perhaps more important, searching country-wide for indications of any prohibited activities. Monitoring inspections are intrusive and involve access to any and all facilities, including industrial sites, scientific establishments and universities, and the use of sensitive environmental sampling and analysis techniques anywhere in Iraq.

The monitoring regime employs all the technical tools used in the mapping out of the clandestine program and retains the right to investigate and neutralize any aspect of the past program that might be discovered. It is predicated on the assumption that Iraq has the technical ability to design and construct a nuclear weapon and takes into account the large intellectual resource in Iraq in the corps of scientists and engineers who worked in Iraq's clandestine nuclear program. The agency is cognizant of the technical challenge to the monitoring regime that would result if Iraq were to directly acquire weapon-usable nuclear material from abroad.

The discussion about the agency issuing to Iraq a clean bill of health in preparation for the closure of the nuclear file runs counter to the nature of our verification and generates misunderstanding about its continuing character. Progress in neutralizing the clandestine program does not mean an end to inspection. It simply means shifting gears to ensure not only that the past program has been neutralized but also that it is not being revived.

In the same vein, a future determination by the Security Council that Iraq has satisfied the requirements for lifting the oil embargo would not bring the regime to an end. The monitoring and verification regime would continue to operate unabated until, acting in accordance with its responsibility for the maintenance of international security, the Security Council determines otherwise.

The writer is director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

by **Evan** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:12 pm

by **Sewer-Urchin** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 11:43 pm

Small amounts of WMD material has been found in Iraq and more may eventually show up. Of course Blair says they may never be found...its the age old custom of C.Y.A. He has supported the U.S. (rightly I think) in an very unpopular move...now he faces a truly up-hill battle for re-election. The bulk of Saddam's WMD seem to have been moved to Syria, where they likely still are today. With the high possibility that Israel has nuclear capabilities, it is doubtful that a nation like Syria would allow such weapons to be destroyed. Face it friends, the Ishmael/ Issac conflict is going to be with us for a long time. Establishing working democracies in the Mid East will help curb the violence in the long run.

by **JimmyTango** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 10:01 am

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125123,00.html

I am suprised you missed the big news. Just because Bush insists te intelligence was right doesn't mean it was, as the Senate Intelligence Committee has now said.

by **igloo17** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:05 am

amnesia on wmd

by **Sewer-Urchin** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:15 am

Good site igloo

by **igloo17** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 10:28 am

check out the http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/logan.htm
movie if you liked the wmd movie.

by **=Hunter=** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 11:01 am

Its amazing how some still support Bush no matter what the evidence and common sense tell them. I always wondered how the Nazis got away with the attrocities they commited. This false "war" has lead me to understand how some will follow blindly and fanatically. His fear tactics are straight from Hitlers handbook. And they work on the weak minded. Thanks to George W. we are now less secure and more hated around the world then ever. What was his goal again?

by **RCglider** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 12:46 pm

Originally posted by =Hunter=
Its amazing how some still support Bush no matter what the evidence and common sense tell them. I always wondered how the Nazis got away with the attrocities they commited. This false "war" has lead me to understand how some will follow blindly and fanatically. His fear tactics are straight from Hitlers handbook. And they work on the weak minded. Thanks to George W. we are now less secure and more hated around the world then ever. What was his goal again?

What an idiotic statement.

So, GWB all the way back to 1998 brainwashed all those Democrats to make the statements they did right?

No offense....well, yes really, but it is you who are weak minded and blind.

by **igloo17** » Sat Jul 24, 2004 3:15 pm

Originally posted by =Hunter=
Its amazing how some still support Bush no matter what the evidence and common sense tell them. I always wondered how the Nazis got away with the attrocities they commited. This false "war" has lead me to understand how some will follow blindly and fanatically. His fear tactics are straight from Hitlers handbook. And they work on the weak minded. Thanks to George W. we are now less secure and more hated around the world then ever. What was his goal again?

So sorry sir, that you can not stand the truths about the party you support.

Go back and read my other posts in this thread.

Its also so sad to see so many calling the President of the United States of America names too.

Its so sad to see so many that do not support the war against terrorism.

I have a question for you, do you support terrorism then sir?

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Amnesia on wmd

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