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NEW YORK -- Filmmaker and author Michael Moore will be traveling to Boston early next week on the invitation of the Congressional Black Caucus and the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME).

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While in Boston, Moore will be honored by the Congressional Black Caucus and plans to address its membership. This event will take place at 4:00 in the afternoon on Monday, July 26th at the Sheraton Hotel in Boston.

Moore will also be on hand for a private screening of "Fahrenheit 9/11" for the members of AFSCME the following day. He will lead the group in a discussion on the important issues raised in the film. This event will take place at noon on Tuesday the 27th at the Coolidge Corner Theater in Brookline, Massachusetts.

Moore will also be addressing a rally held under the banner Take Back America. Moore will speak to the group of five hundred or so progressive activists following an address by former Vermont Governor and Presidential hopeful Howard Dean. This event will take place at 3:00 in the afternoon Tuesday the 27th at the Royal Sonesta in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Of the opportunity to participate in these events surrounding the Democratic National Convention, Moore said, "I'm deeply honored by the invitation to speak before these outstanding organizations. These groups are committed to standing up for the rights of all Americans and their efforts serve as a reminder that we can and must do more to ensure that this country will not stray from the ideals on which it was founded."

[LordShard]

heh heh heh

What a load, I could make a movie also by taking out of sequence and out of context things bill clintion, Bush#1, and all the presidenses before that to make them sound like hipocritical morons.

If anything he should be banned from procreation!

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Lie #1 that I claimed about FH911 is as I said because I remembered it well. MooreOns don't like facts, however if they are literate, maybe the following will stimulate what few brain cells they use.



July 12, 2004 -- AMONG its many errors, Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" is poisoning our political debate with its fictional account of the Florida vote in 2000.

Perhaps his distortions have gone unremarked because they've been repeated so often. (Jesse Jackson, for one, still speaks of Florida as "the scene of the crime" where "[blacks] were disenfranchised. Our birthright stolen.") But still, Moore's "documentary" seems to set a new record for political dishonesty.

Consider a few of the movie's assertions:

The Fox News Channel played a major role in Bush's victory in Florida: The film shows CBS and CNN calling Florida for Gore, followed by a voiceover uttering, "Then something called the Fox News Channel called the election in favor of the other guy."

First off, Moore leaves out the fact that Fox first called Florida for Gore — and didn't call it back until 2 a.m.

Indeed, all the networks, Fox included, helped Gore by calling the Florida polls as closed at 7 p.m. Eastern time — and quickly declaring a Democrat the winner of the state's U.S. Senate race, before also saying the state had gone to Gore.

In fact, polls in the 10 heavily Republican counties in the state's western panhandle, located in the Central time zone, were open until 8. But why bother trying to vote when a trusted newsman says the polls are closed and you've already lost?

After surveying voters, Democratic strategist Bob Beckel claimed that the early call cost Bush a net loss of up to 8,000 votes. Another survey conducted by John McLaughlin and Associates, a Republican polling company, put Bush's net loss at about 10,000 votes.

"Under every scenario Gore would have won" the Florida vote if the U.S. Supreme Court hadn't stopped the count. In making this claim, Moore chooses to ignore the most definitive post-election examinations of the ballots.

Two large news consortiums (USA Today and The Miami Herald headed one; the other included The New York Times) conducted massive recounts of Florida's ballots. Both reached very similar conclusions, and neither supported Moore's claim. To quote from the USA Today group's findings (May 11, 2001):

"Who would have won if Al Gore had gotten manual counts he requested in four counties? Answer: George W. Bush."

"Who would have won if the U.S. Supreme Court had not stopped the hand recount of undervotes, which are ballots that registered no machine-readable vote for president? Answer: Bush, under three of four standards."

"Who would have won if all disputed ballots — including those rejected by machines because they had more than one vote for president — had been recounted by hand? Answer: Bush, under the two most widely used standards; Gore, under the two least used."

Unless all these news organizations are part of Moore's vast rightwing conspiracy, his claim that the U.S. Supreme Court's reversal of the Florida Supreme Court's decision cost Gore the election is based only upon his own wishes, not facts.

Florida Gov. Jeb Bush stole the election for his brother by removing African-American voters, who were likely to vote for Gore, from the rolls. Again, Moore ignores documented fact.

Some background: Florida bans felons from voting (unless they've been granted clemency). Before the 2000 vote, the state hired Database Technologies to purge rolls of felons and dead people. Some non-felons were erroneously removed from the rolls — but the errors didn't "target" minorities.

The liberal-leaning Palm Beach Post found that "a review of state records, internal e-mails of [Database Technologies] employees and testimony before the civil rights commission and an elections task force showed no evidence that minorities were specifically targeted."

The law against felon voting does have a racial impact, since African-Americans make up the greatest share of felons (nearly 49 percent felons convicted in Florida). But the application of that law in 2000 skewed somewhat the opposite way — whites were actually the most likely to be erroneously excluded.

The error rate was 9.9 percent for whites, 8.7 percent for Hispanics, and only a 5.1 percent for African-Americans.

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Michael Moore has been honest in one regard: He freely admits he hopes his film helps defeat President Bush this fall. It's hard to find much else that he's been honest about, however — including calling "Fahrenheit 9/11" a documentary.

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Ok MooreOns (you know who you are), where's all the love between Michael Moore and the DNC? They seemed to support him quite aggressively, but now that it's a national event for all to see, they are cowering.
http://forums.powervs.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10770

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Great post RC...if there was any way to hurt Bush on the recount issue the NY Times would have found it. If anyone questions USA Today's bias, just look at today's news that they are refusing to print articles that they hired Ann Coulter to write about the DNC...they hired Moore to cover the RNC and I doubt they'll refuse his criticism's. Democrats should be more upset by Gore loosing his home state of TN instead of the Florida situation. I was living in TN at the time and people were very happy to have helped the outcome.

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The Democrats Won’t See This Film in Boston

Tuesday, July 27, 2004

WASHINGTON – While Democrats party with champagne and caviar in Boston -- and fete Michael Moore for his propagandistic documentary “Fahrenheit 9/11” -- another documentary is making the rounds in the heartland that makes a compelling case for George Bush.

Last week in Washington, Iraqi documentary film producer Jano Rosebiani began a cross-country tour of his new “Saddam’s Mass Graves,” a poignant examination of some real rank-and-file Iraqis who thank President Bush every day for what the filmmaker calls unabashedly the “gift of life.”

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Those who have watched Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11” may conclude the corpulent director was from another planet when his film portrayed Saddam Hussein’s Iraq as a modern-day Shangri-la with children dancing in the streets.

Rosebiani reveals a different Iraq. His poignant film displayed for journalists at an event that paired the preview with the live testimony of Iraqis literally back from the grave – shot and pushed into mass graves only to miraculously survive their wounds and escape.

Rosebiani told NewsMax that he was in discussions with a distribution group in Los Angeles that has expressed interest in getting the provocative new film onto U.S. movie screens.

But if patrons expect the slap-stick partisan style of Moore, they should be forewarned that “Graves” offers not a single image of George Bush. “I wanted to keep the message absolutely free of politics,” Rosebiani told NewsMax.

And this he does religiously – even cutting tempting footage of gushing families in northern Iraq who have named their new baby sons “Bush,” always politely shaking off the suggestion that Bush is a last name in America.

The Genocides

Instead, the riveted viewer is given an up-close-and personal look at the genocides of dictator Saddam Hussein.

“I shall be sad forever,” laments one woman into the lens of Rosebiani’s camera. From the town of Hillah, the veiled woman literally wilts before the eyes as she sums up the unbearable agony of losing her entire family to the brutal regime.

The filmmaker’s somber message to the world at large: “Send doctors and help – instead of terrorists.”

Saddam’s Mass Graves debuted recently at the Tribeca Film Festival in New York City, where, as Rosebiani recounted to NewsMax, “I had some tough customers there to see the film – they were solidly against the U.S.’s intervention in Iraq. They told me that this was no longer their opinion after seeing the film.”

But it’s not just cynical Americans that Rosebiani hopes to sway with his work product – he wants to turn the heads of the doubters in Iraq and eventually even hostile Arab Street and Europe.

Already he has aired his film on the Iraq Satellite Network and through Voice of America. He entertains hopes of convincing Al-Jezeera, the Arab media giant, to show the film throughout the Arab world.

In the meantime, Rosebiani will be trekking through New York, Boston, Chicago and Los Angeles to promote “Graves,” which is actually the middle part of a trilogy that started with “Jiyan” and ends with another brutally honest report in the forthcoming final chapter – “Chemical Ali.”

Change the World

“I really believe you can help change the world through the medium of films,” the soft-spoken native of the town of Zakho in Irag’s Kurdistan, tells NewsMax.

Educated in the U.S., Rosebiani is now headquartered in Iraq, where he says, “Mine is the only Iraq-based company that is producing films to Western standards.”

Rosebiani is the first to agree that his film does not have the raw entertainment flair of “Fahrenheit.” After all, his is a most serious subject that leaves precious little room for levity.

The quiet man is a bit shy when he suggests to NewsMax that Moore’s film was engineered to appeal on some levels to the “dumb and dumber” set.

His own raw images of unimaginable suffering and cruelty lead the viewer inexorably to a number of conclusions.

Paramount is the lesson that Hussein could have only been stopped by direct military intervention.

Second is that the carnage under his regime was Biblical – Hussein outright murdered an estimated 300,000 civilians. In the so called “Anfal” ethnic cleansing of 1988 -– alone -- 4000 villages were wiped from the face of the earth.

British Prime Minister Tony Blair has gone on the record as believing that the figure is more like 400,000.

Rosebiani summed up: “An old man told me: ‘In Iraq when you dug in the ground, you would find oil. Now, all you find are bones.’”

Following a simple formula of “just show it,” Rosebiani has Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds recount in their own words how their brothers, husbands, children and friends were dragged from their homes in the middle of the night, beaten and starved at holding camps, and finally shot – their bodies pushed into mass graves. Foreigners from Kuwait, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iran also came under the mantle of the systematic killings.

Director-producer Rosebiani interviews long-suffering Iraqis who came under sentence of death for the mere suspicion of opposing the dictator’s Baath party: “They took away the men and boys in trucks -- some of them barefoot and naked - never to be seen again.”

Filmed in cities and towns across Iraq, the film’s horrors include the opening of mass graves discovered in May, 2003, following the defeat of Saddam Hussein’s regime.

There are 270 known mass grave sites in the battered country. Rosebiani tells NewsMax that he suspects his countrymen will find even more – during the course of a painstaking forensic exercise that may take 50 years to complete.

Rosebiani confesses that the greatest difficulty in making the film was “listening to people pouring out their hearts, and often they would make us cry behind the camera. And then spending all this time editing, well, the human mind or heart can only take so much. Every Iraqi you talk to has a close relative or somebody they know who disappeared.”

But, insisted one reporter at the news conference, if getting rid of Saddam was such a boon to the country – why all the continuing bloodshed and violence toward the Coalition forces?

Rosebiani answers the question simply, describing that after decades of tyranny, the country remains traumatized – even to the point of still fearing Saddam, a man presumably safely incarcerated and awaiting his date with justice. He noted further that he would get one take on camera and yet another off the record.

“They’re still afraid to talk,” he explains about his countrymen.

The film was made with the cooperation of the Iraqi regional Human Rights Ministries, the Free Prisoners Association – and supported by grants from the U.S. Agency for International Development, working with the Coalition Provisional Authority.