Anyone know Japanese? or know someone that does?

by **Murgatroyd** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:33 pm

Originally posted by LordShard
I think it's fake. :\
You show a picture of a machine made stamp on it.

Doesn't mean that it's a fake, alot of the Japanese swords made before the war were machine-stamped.

by **Stapes** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:00 pm

I gave the link to all the pics to my japanese teacher. On tuesday when I go back I'll see what he says.

by **LordShard** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:02 pm

But a machine stamped sword is still machine made. To have anything worth money it has to be hand made. Not to mention the hand made swords from the feudal era and later are much stronger than any machine made swords.

by **Murgatroyd** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:34 pm

Originally posted by LordShard
But a machine stamped sword is still machine made. To have anything worth money it has to be hand made. Not to mention the hand made swords from the feudal era and later are much stronger than any machine made swords.

100% true.

by **jnkcrp** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:57 pm

it says Ginzo. It can cut a can and then slice a tomato cleanly

by **Chacal** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:34 pm

There's nothing in the markings that suggest they're machine-made.

by **Keekanoo** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:09 pm

From my limited machine-shop experience the oval shallow with letters near the tip of the sword looks very machine-made. Actually mold-created. Way too uniform for hand-work. Plus the shallow area itself is (I'm a carver) very difficult to produce in soft materials. Easy to cut the shape, very hard to make the bottom of the shallow uniformly smooth.

The markings lower on the blade look like they are done with hammer and punch.

Would seem the sword was originally poured in a factory, then later on the engravings lower down were added to say something specific about the weilder. Ie, rank, outfit, etc.

by **DocTrebor** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 6:46 pm

writer, carver, machin-shopsman, gamer...what doesnt keek do?

by **Murgatroyd** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:38 pm

Originally posted by Chacal
There's nothing in the markings that suggest they're machine-made.

The first one is, most definitely.

by **Chacal** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:31 pm

Hand-punched unto the still-red-hot metal. Like a hot-wax seal. Doesn't have to be machine-made.

Even if machine-made, would have been forged, not molded.

So, could still be hand-made, but it's not gonna be a centuries-old blade.

Anyone knows why I can't take the handle off mine, even with the bamboo dowels removed?

by **:UnclSxyPants:** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:00 am

hmm well i dont knmow anything about this topic, but maybe its stuck on there for a reason? perhaps it isnt supposed to come off?

by **LordShard** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:17 am

Don't force it off, but isn't there something else that your supposed to remove before the hilt comes off?

by **LordShard** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:24 am

There is no way that was made by a hand made stamp.

by **Keekanoo** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:57 am

mold/forged... my appologies.

by **Chacal** » Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:45 am

Mugzy, your sword is probably WWII-era, probably machine-made. The stamp on the tang should be an arsenal stamp, although I read they're usually quite smaller and stamped near the blade collar.

"NEVER CLEAN THE TANG OF A JAPANESE SWORD OR TAMPER WITH IT IN ANY WAY!!! - it will reduce its value by at least 50 percent!! The type and color of the rust is used to help date and to authenticate the blade."

http://www.geocities.com/alchemyst/realold.htm

My sword is exactly like the one at the top of this page:
http://www.geocities.com/alchemyst/military.htm

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