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Keep yur damn yankees
by -HaVoC- » Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:19 pm
Cause my Pats are SHMMMMMMMMMMMokin!!!!!!!!
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"Now, if things look bad, and it looks like your not going to make it, then you've got to get mean, I mean plum mad dog mean, 'cause if you lose your head and give up then you neither live nor win, and that's just the way it is."
- The Outlaw Josey Wales -
put me on the team that Harry aint on....I sure miss shooting him and if im on the same team as HaVoC...OMFG we will stomp a mudhole in you and walk it dry.
- YaDad -
"Now, if things look bad, and it looks like your not going to make it, then you've got to get mean, I mean plum mad dog mean, 'cause if you lose your head and give up then you neither live nor win, and that's just the way it is."
- The Outlaw Josey Wales -
put me on the team that Harry aint on....I sure miss shooting him and if im on the same team as HaVoC...OMFG we will stomp a mudhole in you and walk it dry.
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by Conscious* » Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:30 pm
Yes, Pats are my second favorite team behind the eagles, im hoping for the Pats-Eagles superbowl. A good chance for it to happened, as long as both teams stay relatively healthy.
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by cavalierlwt » Thu Sep 09, 2004 11:52 pm
Tom Brady is the Man!
Way back when Bledsoe first got knocked out, I though Brady was just a mediocre scrub (I hadn't seen him play through most of the season cuz I was on the road at the time)
I was just focused on his stats, which at the time were good, but not flashy or overwhelming, ala Bledsoe, Marino, etc.
Once, I saw him play though, I finally got it. He just doesn't screw up, almost ever. He doesn't blow the big one like Bledsoe does. I used to love Bledsoe, but I was always holding my breath everytime he threw it. Now, I don't sweat it, even when Brady is throwing out of his own endzone. You just know he'll get them out of there with no catastrophes. He doesn't always throw for 400 yards, but he almost never hurts the team, especially in tight situation. He does his job and keeps the ball safe.
Way back when Bledsoe first got knocked out, I though Brady was just a mediocre scrub (I hadn't seen him play through most of the season cuz I was on the road at the time)
I was just focused on his stats, which at the time were good, but not flashy or overwhelming, ala Bledsoe, Marino, etc.
Once, I saw him play though, I finally got it. He just doesn't screw up, almost ever. He doesn't blow the big one like Bledsoe does. I used to love Bledsoe, but I was always holding my breath everytime he threw it. Now, I don't sweat it, even when Brady is throwing out of his own endzone. You just know he'll get them out of there with no catastrophes. He doesn't always throw for 400 yards, but he almost never hurts the team, especially in tight situation. He does his job and keeps the ball safe.
Failing to plead
with a throat full of dust
Life falls asleep
in a fetal position.
with a throat full of dust
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by Conscious* » Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:13 am
Originally posted by cavalierlwt
Tom Brady is the Man!
Way back when Bledsoe first got knocked out, I though Brady was just a mediocre scrub (I hadn't seen him play through most of the season cuz I was on the road at the time)
I was just focused on his stats, which at the time were good, but not flashy or overwhelming, ala Bledsoe, Marino, etc.
Once, I saw him play though, I finally got it. He just doesn't screw up, almost ever. He doesn't blow the big one like Bledsoe does. I used to love Bledsoe, but I was always holding my breath everytime he threw it. Now, I don't sweat it, even when Brady is throwing out of his own endzone. You just know he'll get them out of there with no catastrophes. He doesn't always throw for 400 yards, but he almost never hurts the team, especially in tight situation. He does his job and keeps the ball safe.
Yes and he makes the defense more effective because he rarely turns the ball over, and forces the other team to rarely get good field position. Marching all the way down the field on the Patriots Defense is easier said that done.
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by SandStorm » Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:18 am
Your right cavalierlwt.
Tom Brady is so calm and excels under pressure. I remember last year the Patriots were playin the Texans here in Houston. It was late 4th quarter, the Texans were up by 7, less than a minute left and over 70,000 fans going crazy including myself. Brady drives the Pats to a game tying TD by connecting on numerous 3rd downs including a 4th and long. The Pats won in OT. He's everything you want in a quarterback.
Tom Brady is so calm and excels under pressure. I remember last year the Patriots were playin the Texans here in Houston. It was late 4th quarter, the Texans were up by 7, less than a minute left and over 70,000 fans going crazy including myself. Brady drives the Pats to a game tying TD by connecting on numerous 3rd downs including a 4th and long. The Pats won in OT. He's everything you want in a quarterback.
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by Colonel Ingus » Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:09 am
Blah Blah Blah Brady, Blah Blah Blah Brady.
Dude is a slightly above average QB at best. Sure he's won games and even been a part of the team that won 2 Superbowls but it is the team and not Brady that win them. If you watched tonights game 2 things really stood out.
1: The Colts couldn't stop a leaky drain and
2: Watch a review of the game and see how many times the Patriots used a max protection package of 7 men (5 lineman and 2 tight ends) so that Brady had the actual TIME to make his throws.
On the plays that didn't use 7 men on the line it was misdirection plays that properly utilized strategy from the coaching staff.
Brady is a good QB but he isn't anything special. He is the benificiary of a well organized, and well coached TEAM.
Brady's one good strength (so far) is that he recognizes he is part of a team and not THE TEAM. As long as he keeps this frame of mind he will continue to be succesful in the NFL. He starts getting cocky and demands Peyton Manning type money when his contract is up see how fast Piola and Belichek ship him off.
Enjoy this season Patriots fans you have a HUGELY cream puff schedule against weak teams. Hell you don't even face a real opponent until week 12. Talk smack to me when your team soundly defeats the Ravens "D".
You also have the added benifit of one of the least talked about, and most important factors, that made the 80-90 49'ers so sucessful. What an incredibly weak division.
I'm not bashing the Pats, they are a good team and will do very well this year but don't get all high and mighty because you are winning in bad year for your division and play weak opponents.
In that 13 or so year run in the 80's and 90's when the NFC won all the Superbowls it was split between 2 divisions. NFC west with SF and all the rest were in the NFC east. Cowboys(3), Giants(2) and Redskins(3). Just to get to the Superbowl they had to defeat the best teams in football WHICH WERE IN THEIR OWN DIVISION.
Dynasty whatever.., winning games in a weak divsion with a mostly creampuff schedule doesn't impress.
I am happy your team has done well and I am happy for you that you will experience success this year but have a degree of humility. Pats ain't all that.
Dude is a slightly above average QB at best. Sure he's won games and even been a part of the team that won 2 Superbowls but it is the team and not Brady that win them. If you watched tonights game 2 things really stood out.
1: The Colts couldn't stop a leaky drain and
2: Watch a review of the game and see how many times the Patriots used a max protection package of 7 men (5 lineman and 2 tight ends) so that Brady had the actual TIME to make his throws.
On the plays that didn't use 7 men on the line it was misdirection plays that properly utilized strategy from the coaching staff.
Brady is a good QB but he isn't anything special. He is the benificiary of a well organized, and well coached TEAM.
Brady's one good strength (so far) is that he recognizes he is part of a team and not THE TEAM. As long as he keeps this frame of mind he will continue to be succesful in the NFL. He starts getting cocky and demands Peyton Manning type money when his contract is up see how fast Piola and Belichek ship him off.
Enjoy this season Patriots fans you have a HUGELY cream puff schedule against weak teams. Hell you don't even face a real opponent until week 12. Talk smack to me when your team soundly defeats the Ravens "D".
You also have the added benifit of one of the least talked about, and most important factors, that made the 80-90 49'ers so sucessful. What an incredibly weak division.
I'm not bashing the Pats, they are a good team and will do very well this year but don't get all high and mighty because you are winning in bad year for your division and play weak opponents.
In that 13 or so year run in the 80's and 90's when the NFC won all the Superbowls it was split between 2 divisions. NFC west with SF and all the rest were in the NFC east. Cowboys(3), Giants(2) and Redskins(3). Just to get to the Superbowl they had to defeat the best teams in football WHICH WERE IN THEIR OWN DIVISION.
Dynasty whatever.., winning games in a weak divsion with a mostly creampuff schedule doesn't impress.
I am happy your team has done well and I am happy for you that you will experience success this year but have a degree of humility. Pats ain't all that.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ... Benjamin Franklin
by -HaVoC- » Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:29 am
LMAO 
Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
Blah Blah Blah Brady, Blah Blah Blah Brady.
Dude is a slightly above average QB at best. Sure he's won games and even been a part of the team that won 2 Superbowls but it is the team and not Brady that win them. If you watched tonights game 2 things really stood out.
1: The Colts couldn't stop a leaky drain and
2: Watch a review of the game and see how many times the Patriots used a max protection package of 7 men (5 lineman and 2 tight ends) so that Brady had the actual TIME to make his throws.
On the plays that didn't use 7 men on the line it was misdirection plays that properly utilized strategy from the coaching staff.
Brady is a good QB but he isn't anything special. He is the benificiary of a well organized, and well coached TEAM.
Brady's one good strength (so far) is that he recognizes he is part of a team and not THE TEAM. As long as he keeps this frame of mind he will continue to be succesful in the NFL. He starts getting cocky and demands Peyton Manning type money when his contract is up see how fast Piola and Belichek ship him off.
Enjoy this season Patriots fans you have a HUGELY cream puff schedule against weak teams. Hell you don't even face a real opponent until week 12. Talk smack to me when your team soundly defeats the Ravens "D".
You also have the added benifit of one of the least talked about, and most important factors, that made the 80-90 49'ers so sucessful. What an incredibly weak division.
I'm not bashing the Pats, they are a good team and will do very well this year but don't get all high and mighty because you are winning in bad year for your division and play weak opponents.
In that 13 or so year run in the 80's and 90's when the NFC won all the Superbowls it was split between 2 divisions. NFC west with SF and all the rest were in the NFC east. Cowboys(3), Giants(2) and Redskins(3). Just to get to the Superbowl they had to defeat the best teams in football WHICH WERE IN THEIR OWN DIVISION.
Dynasty whatever.., winning games in a weak divsion with a mostly creampuff schedule doesn't impress.
I am happy your team has done well and I am happy for you that you will experience success this year but have a degree of humility. Pats ain't all that.
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"Now, if things look bad, and it looks like your not going to make it, then you've got to get mean, I mean plum mad dog mean, 'cause if you lose your head and give up then you neither live nor win, and that's just the way it is."
- The Outlaw Josey Wales -
put me on the team that Harry aint on....I sure miss shooting him and if im on the same team as HaVoC...OMFG we will stomp a mudhole in you and walk it dry.
- YaDad -
"Now, if things look bad, and it looks like your not going to make it, then you've got to get mean, I mean plum mad dog mean, 'cause if you lose your head and give up then you neither live nor win, and that's just the way it is."
- The Outlaw Josey Wales -
put me on the team that Harry aint on....I sure miss shooting him and if im on the same team as HaVoC...OMFG we will stomp a mudhole in you and walk it dry.
- YaDad -
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by VlfPlyer » Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:29 am
Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
I am happy your team has done well and I am happy for you that you will experience success this year but have a degree of humility. Pats ain't all that.
yep- we will have to see
cause you can have the big boots
you can have the big hat
but wheres the cattle?
by -HaVoC- » Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:34 am
lmao
"Brady's one good strength (so far) is that he recognizes he is part of a team and not THE TEAM. As long as he keeps this frame of mind he will continue to be succesful in the NFL. He starts getting cocky and demands Peyton Manning type money when his contract is up see how fast Piola and Belichek ship him off. "
What the hell has Peyton Manning won? Brady owns Peyton Manning, and yes the team spirit was born with people like Troy Brown and Tom Brady and Tedy Bruschi and others. It is the reason they remain one of the top teams to beat.
"The Pats ain't all that? whatever colonel. I'm sorry but it's anybody's game come Sunday and I'll take the Pats, I always have.
"Brady's one good strength (so far) is that he recognizes he is part of a team and not THE TEAM. As long as he keeps this frame of mind he will continue to be succesful in the NFL. He starts getting cocky and demands Peyton Manning type money when his contract is up see how fast Piola and Belichek ship him off. "
What the hell has Peyton Manning won? Brady owns Peyton Manning, and yes the team spirit was born with people like Troy Brown and Tom Brady and Tedy Bruschi and others. It is the reason they remain one of the top teams to beat.
"The Pats ain't all that? whatever colonel. I'm sorry but it's anybody's game come Sunday and I'll take the Pats, I always have.
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"Now, if things look bad, and it looks like your not going to make it, then you've got to get mean, I mean plum mad dog mean, 'cause if you lose your head and give up then you neither live nor win, and that's just the way it is."
- The Outlaw Josey Wales -
put me on the team that Harry aint on....I sure miss shooting him and if im on the same team as HaVoC...OMFG we will stomp a mudhole in you and walk it dry.
- YaDad -
"Now, if things look bad, and it looks like your not going to make it, then you've got to get mean, I mean plum mad dog mean, 'cause if you lose your head and give up then you neither live nor win, and that's just the way it is."
- The Outlaw Josey Wales -
put me on the team that Harry aint on....I sure miss shooting him and if im on the same team as HaVoC...OMFG we will stomp a mudhole in you and walk it dry.
- YaDad -
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by Colonel Ingus » Fri Sep 10, 2004 1:59 am
Who said shit about Peyton? Besides my comment about how the Pats management would chuck Brady if he wanted Manning type money?
Look at the organization of the Pats over the past 4-5 years.
They are incredibly ruthless concerning players and their futures with the organization and do so with good reason. Witness how they have won 2 of the past 3 Superbowls.
The Patriots organization is its greatest strength and they will get rid of anything that doesn't improve that.
Be a homer all you want but refrain from talking shit until you play a real defense. And I don't see that happening until Week 12. If you lose a game before then you should start worrying.
Now go back and cheer for your Bosox. The seasons not over yet and you still have plenty of games to be frustrated and dissapointed.
Look at the organization of the Pats over the past 4-5 years.
They are incredibly ruthless concerning players and their futures with the organization and do so with good reason. Witness how they have won 2 of the past 3 Superbowls.
The Patriots organization is its greatest strength and they will get rid of anything that doesn't improve that.
Be a homer all you want but refrain from talking shit until you play a real defense. And I don't see that happening until Week 12. If you lose a game before then you should start worrying.
Now go back and cheer for your Bosox. The seasons not over yet and you still have plenty of games to be frustrated and dissapointed.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." ... Benjamin Franklin
by Trash Can » Fri Sep 10, 2004 3:48 am
Eagles fan here, but ...
...matter of opinion. I don't agree with your assessment
The Colts defense surrendered on average 299 yards per game and 21 points per game last year. That's about the 20th ranked defense. Not great, but not horrible. Try duct tape on that leaky drain of yours.
By the same token, wouldn't this give him less receivers to which to throw? And doesn't this mean he is less likely to have a receiver with single coverage? And don't other teams more easily recognize this max protection scheme in calling their defensive schemes?
... and none were audibles?? Hmmm ...
For convenience, here is their 2004 schedule:
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
2004 REGULAR SEASON SCHEDULE AND RESULTS
Week Date Time Opponent Score W/L/T Stories
1 Thu. Sep. 9 9:00 p.m. ET Colts - - Preview | Matchup
2 Sun. Sep. 19 4:15 p.m. ET at Cardinals - - Matchup
3 BYE WEEK
4 Sun. Oct. 3 1:00 p.m. ET at Bills - - Matchup
5 Sun. Oct. 10 1:00 p.m. ET Dolphins - - Matchup
6 Sun. Oct. 17 1:00 p.m. ET Seahawks - - Matchup
7 Sun. Oct. 24 4:05 p.m. ET Jets - - Matchup
8 Sun. Oct. 31 1:00 p.m. ET at Steelers - - Matchup
9 Sun. Nov. 7 4:15 p.m. ET at Rams - - Matchup
10 Sun. Nov. 14 8:30 p.m. ET Bills - - Matchup
11 Mon. Nov. 22 9:00 p.m. ET at Chiefs - - Matchup
12 Sun. Nov. 28 1:00 p.m. ET Ravens - - Matchup
13 Sun. Dec. 5 1:00 p.m. ET at Browns - - Matchup
14 Sun. Dec. 12 1:00 p.m. ET Bengals - - Matchup
15 Mon. Dec. 20 9:00 p.m. ET at Dolphins - - Matchup
16 Sun. Dec. 26 4:05 p.m. ET at Jets - - Matchup
17 Sun. Jan. 2 1:00 p.m. ET 49ers - - Matchup
Five of the ten non-division games are aginst playoff teams from last year, correct? And if your argument is based solely on defenses, aren't the Bills projected to be a top #10 defense? And haven't the Dolphins historically been one of the top defenses in the NFL?
The Colts, who made the AFC championship game last year, were not a real opponent, yet the Ravens, who were I beleive the lowest ranked division winner to make the playoffs last year, and lost right away to the Titans are a real opponent?
Weak divison yes, but an "incredibly" weak division? If you want an incredibly weak division, try the Ravens. And 10 of the 16 games are non-divison teams, correct?
Ingus, your argument is too full of generalizations IMHO. It is tough to recognize what amount of the credit should go to the QB, to other players, and to the coaching staff unless you really dissect every play on the level that coaches do. I go by the opinions of the people close to the NFL & the Patriots. There are alot of these people that give Tom Brady all the credit in the world.
Originally posted by Colonel Ingus
Dude is a slightly above average QB at best.
...matter of opinion. I don't agree with your assessment
The Colts couldn't stop a leaky drain.
The Colts defense surrendered on average 299 yards per game and 21 points per game last year. That's about the 20th ranked defense. Not great, but not horrible. Try duct tape on that leaky drain of yours.
Watch a review of the game and see how many times the Patriots used a max protection package of 7 men (5 lineman and 2 tight ends) so that Brady had the actual TIME to make his throws.
By the same token, wouldn't this give him less receivers to which to throw? And doesn't this mean he is less likely to have a receiver with single coverage? And don't other teams more easily recognize this max protection scheme in calling their defensive schemes?
On the plays that didn't use 7 men on the line it was misdirection plays that properly utilized strategy from the coaching staff.
... and none were audibles?? Hmmm ...
Enjoy this season Patriots fans you have a HUGELY cream puff schedule against weak teams.
For convenience, here is their 2004 schedule:
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
2004 REGULAR SEASON SCHEDULE AND RESULTS
Week Date Time Opponent Score W/L/T Stories
1 Thu. Sep. 9 9:00 p.m. ET Colts - - Preview | Matchup
2 Sun. Sep. 19 4:15 p.m. ET at Cardinals - - Matchup
3 BYE WEEK
4 Sun. Oct. 3 1:00 p.m. ET at Bills - - Matchup
5 Sun. Oct. 10 1:00 p.m. ET Dolphins - - Matchup
6 Sun. Oct. 17 1:00 p.m. ET Seahawks - - Matchup
7 Sun. Oct. 24 4:05 p.m. ET Jets - - Matchup
8 Sun. Oct. 31 1:00 p.m. ET at Steelers - - Matchup
9 Sun. Nov. 7 4:15 p.m. ET at Rams - - Matchup
10 Sun. Nov. 14 8:30 p.m. ET Bills - - Matchup
11 Mon. Nov. 22 9:00 p.m. ET at Chiefs - - Matchup
12 Sun. Nov. 28 1:00 p.m. ET Ravens - - Matchup
13 Sun. Dec. 5 1:00 p.m. ET at Browns - - Matchup
14 Sun. Dec. 12 1:00 p.m. ET Bengals - - Matchup
15 Mon. Dec. 20 9:00 p.m. ET at Dolphins - - Matchup
16 Sun. Dec. 26 4:05 p.m. ET at Jets - - Matchup
17 Sun. Jan. 2 1:00 p.m. ET 49ers - - Matchup
Five of the ten non-division games are aginst playoff teams from last year, correct? And if your argument is based solely on defenses, aren't the Bills projected to be a top #10 defense? And haven't the Dolphins historically been one of the top defenses in the NFL?
Hell you don't even face a real opponent until week 12. .
The Colts, who made the AFC championship game last year, were not a real opponent, yet the Ravens, who were I beleive the lowest ranked division winner to make the playoffs last year, and lost right away to the Titans are a real opponent?
What an incredibly weak division.
Weak divison yes, but an "incredibly" weak division? If you want an incredibly weak division, try the Ravens. And 10 of the 16 games are non-divison teams, correct?
Ingus, your argument is too full of generalizations IMHO. It is tough to recognize what amount of the credit should go to the QB, to other players, and to the coaching staff unless you really dissect every play on the level that coaches do. I go by the opinions of the people close to the NFL & the Patriots. There are alot of these people that give Tom Brady all the credit in the world.
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