Remember 9/11

[VlfPlyer]

Originally posted by Tour of Duty
even after 3 years it still shocks me as it shocked me at the day it happened.
But I have to admit (after 3 years): those flames does look impressive.
So... when are we going to see a movie of innocent Iraqies who got murdered?

or when are we going to see films or read stories about the Dutch turning in Jews to the Nazis or selling African or killing Indians or colonizing through brutality --------

I suspect that you underestimate the strong passionate feelings that have and do come from this for Americans.

There are many divisive lines of thought even here in the US as to the reaction[s] and / actions that should take place. And it is also popular to bash the US.

It sounds you might be refeering to the accusesation that we are imperalist and power hungry, seeking to dominate the world. That premise us sais here often as it is in Europe.

It is also said here that we also jump to the occasion and try to get to the front lines to combat an evil.

Is attacking Iraq right? History will tell meanwhile OUR troops and our ALLIES are trying to do something.

Ask your grandparents; should we have come over to Europe? A lot of people at that time questioned it. [ of course if you were a traitor to your country - and joined the Nazi party then of course the last thing you wanted to see was the 101st airborne or equal on your ass]. But history answered that question.

Should the US have held the line in the Europe and elsewhere against the USSR? Again contriversal. Many countries protested against it. Ask your parents / grandparents. Again history answered that.

I am glad we did those things-

I cannot justify what we are doing nor do I need to. Iraq is complex, IMO.

There is a result that is hoped to be achieved- only history can tell whether we will be right or wrong or neither. But digging in a deep wound such as you have is not needed IMHO.

Maybe people will cut you some slack, for you may not understand.

But as far as the world kissing up to America, I doubt that is a concern for Americans nor a care.

Enjoy your freedom- we do and we are not done fighting for it.

[AnimalCracka]

Quit jumping on ToD's ass. All he said was the sight was impressive. Take all the tragedy and suffering and symbolism out of it and its an impressive sight. Same reason that buildings being torn down have become televised, its impressive. I know its a sore subject for us as Americans but youre taking his words totally out of context.

Now the Iraqi comment.....that is a little bit ignorant to say but we all have our feelings about the war in Iraq.

[LordShard]

WHat innocent murdered Iraquies? The only iraquies being killed are the ones who are suicide bombing themselves and killing their [b]own[b] people. Yes, there points when some soldiers do occasionally do things that arn't supposed to be so, like when they had them pose in positions that made them look like they were having sex, but those solders were repremanded and the only time any solders killed any onnicent civilians were actually the british, not the US soldiers. If an iraqui tries to shoot at an american soldier does the american soldier have the right to defend himself?! OF course! The person trying to killl him will be delt with, he isn't "innocent" and is only putting innocent iraqies in danger or kcausing them to be killed.

[Falcon]

i look at it this way..

is there terrorists in iraq: YES
are we killing the terrorists in iraq: YES
is killing/stopping the terrorists keeping not only americans but the whole world safer: YES

[shockwave203 Profile]

Originally posted by Falcon
is killing/stopping the terrorists keeping not only americans but the whole world safer: YES

this has yet to be seen. by being in Iraq, hatred towards the US is growing and more extremists are willing to fight. It's clear that Iraqi's want the americans to leave, but if they do that then the country will fall into civil war. it's a very tough situation indeed

but back to the thread topic, thanks for the link. no matter what our views are over Iraq and the way the war on terror is being handled, we have to remember that 3000 innocent people died. 3000 innocent people that didn't deserve to be killed.

[LordShard]

It isn't clear the iraqis want us gone, most of them say they are happier with us than what they were before we came. It's a radical 5-10% that are willing to kill their own people and use whatever force nessisarry that is reported, the people being happy arn't reported, news of people being happy doens't make news, no one wants to hear that, they want to hear about why a suicide bomber killed 26 innocent civilians (iraqis) in an attempt to kill 1 US soldier.

If we leave to early those 5-10% will overpower the general populace and force their way of life and government on them and they will again be unhappy. Even if democrocy isn't the best way of government it is better than what they previously had because at least they will be able to have a say in their policies instead of all the power being held by one man who might be a lunitic.

[VlfPlyer]

Originally posted by AnimalCracka
Quit jumping on ToD's ass. All he said was the sight was impressive. Take all the tragedy and suffering and symbolism out of it and its an impressive sight. Same reason that buildings being torn down have become televised, its impressive. I know its a sore subject for us as Americans but youre taking his words totally out of context.

Now the Iraqi comment.....that is a little bit ignorant to say but we all have our feelings about the war in Iraq.

You bet the attack is a sore subject [not to be obvious or redundant] and fighting in Iraq is the same.

Seemingly inflamatory statements do cause a reaction, if that is whats meant by T o D. Or just careless statements.

Things like this are very contriversial. I am sure that this thread is as close to being locked as any could ever be.

The flaming etc. could go and go.

Respect for the people who died and suffered and their friends and familys, require restraint on at least my part.

Thats all I am going to say.

[cavalierlwt Profile]

Tour of Duty, I appreciate your reply.
One thing to look at though is, I don't think that video is a political piece. It was posted by CodeRed68, an American in the process of paying tribute to a very traumatic day to Americans. I don't think CodeRed posted it in any sort of an attempt to gather support for the war on Terrorism. On the same hand, I don't expect it to have any emotional meaning to you, that's fine and normal. Taking CodeRed's honest and heartfelt tribute and using it as an excuse to take a shot at American foreign policy doesn't say very much for your respect for people's feeling. It's why they had to close political threads on this board because people aren't having political discussion, it just spirals down into people saying the most hurtful things they can think of to each other. It's just my opinion, but when you saw the thread, you should have just ignored it, wrote it off as anything you like, then there's no hard feelings. It wasn't like it was a Jeffro poll asking 'what do you think about the war on terrorism' or anything like that.
My only reason for responding is to let you know the dagger found it's mark. We perceived your comment as intended to inflict pain, and it did, look at the highly emotional responses.

[CodeRed68 Profile]

Look, all this post was meant for was a tribute to the innocent people that lost thier lives on 9/11. Not a debate over the war in Iraq. Don't know how that started.
Basically the terrorists/murderers declared war on the US and we will give them that war that they so wanted, wherever they may hide.

ToD and AnimalCracka, your posts, even if they are your opionion, are immature, careless and insensitive. The flames are not impressive. In those flames are the bodies of someone's sister, mother, father, son, daughter, best friend, etc., etc.

[Evan Profile Website]

Originally posted by CodeRed68
Look, all this post was meant for was a tribute to the innocent people that lost thier lives on 9/11. Not a debate over the war in Iraq. Don't know how that started.
Basically the terrorists/murderers declared war on the US and we will give them that war that they so wanted, wherever they may hide.

ToD and AnimalCracka, your posts, even if they are your opionion, are immature, careless and insensitive. The flames are not impressive. In those flames are the bodies of someone's sister, mother, father, son, daughter, best friend, etc., etc.

I don't see how saying that the destruction/flames are "immature, careless and insensitive.".

Take away all the deaths, the people involved and it is impressive. Like said before, you're all taking it out of context.

[LordShard]

HOLY CRAP! When this thread was loading it for a brief instant said it was loading something from
"evan.ecgnetwork.com"!!!! O_O

ECGN is a domain now?!

[Chacal Profile Website]

http://evan.ecgn.net/sigs/evan3.png

ecgnetwork has been a domain for quite some time.

[Jeffro Profile YIM]

I really do not want to relive this tragedy again.

I saw so much news coverage, when they repeated the planes crashing and the towers falling over and over and over again.

Everytime I see those images my stomach turns.

[LordShard]

Huh, I never knew it was, I thought it was just a bunch of servers behind a big router using NAT. heh heh

[Jeffro Profile YIM]

Originally posted by LordShard
Huh, I never knew it was, I thought it was just a bunch of servers behind a big router using NAT. heh heh

(Yeah...I know, I know!!!! I'm the pot, he's the kettle.)