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by Destructor » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:05 pm
My Dad and Uncle have always been huge into nascar, but i've never really understood their fasination, or anyones at that. Maybe if you actually drove the car would it be fun, but to watch it is worse to me than watching football.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.
- MeatHead_NJ
by MeatHead_NJ » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:22 pm
We got my dad the Poconos stockcar experience. (Nascar aint my bag) but i do appreciate a nice car. He loved it, he drove 18 laps i think it was. Anyways while i was waiting for him to finish his instructor lessons i did the ride along, paid for 6 laps wound up getting 12 w/ 2 pitstops. When my driver got the car wound out it was pretty FREAK'n Kool, Yo!!...( i could go on and on about what it was like) Big Cheesy grin when i got out of the car. Nascar still aint my bag but it was neat. Would do the actual driving if i ever get the chance.
by deathBOB » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:20 pm
Anyone ever watch the SCCA racing? I watched the finals for the diffrent classes on Speed a while ago and it was awesome! Nearly stock Dodge Neons vs corvettes, audis, cadillacs, and everthing in between in a very tight race. It was only 20 laps so passing was fast and furious, best thing ive seen in a while...
^ A creation of Spirit of Me
by Heatmiser » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:42 am
March 6th is the F1 kickoff! Gotta love 10 cylinder cars revving to 19,000 rpm! Check out some of the performance specs of the BMW Williams FW27...
*The FW27 will accelerate from standing to 200kmh in five seconds, and deceleration forces on board will reach 5g. 1g equates to driving into a brick wall at 30kmh. Brake temperatures to generate the deceleration will reach 6000C in one second ....
Yipes!!!
Speed TV (When it's not running hours upon hours of Nascar coverage) includes some racing gems. If you get the chance, check out the Aussie V8 Supercars which puts Nascar to shame imho. For those interested, do a web search and check out the V8 supercars, you might be surprised. Also try and catch the Speed World Challenge touring cars and gt cars - good racing!
*The FW27 will accelerate from standing to 200kmh in five seconds, and deceleration forces on board will reach 5g. 1g equates to driving into a brick wall at 30kmh. Brake temperatures to generate the deceleration will reach 6000C in one second ....
Yipes!!!
Speed TV (When it's not running hours upon hours of Nascar coverage) includes some racing gems. If you get the chance, check out the Aussie V8 Supercars which puts Nascar to shame imho. For those interested, do a web search and check out the V8 supercars, you might be surprised. Also try and catch the Speed World Challenge touring cars and gt cars - good racing!
by deathBOB » Tue Feb 22, 2005 6:43 pm
No longer heat... F1 has been reduced to 8 cylinders in an effort to curb enormous engine developement costs...
Dont get me wrong, I like the idea of F1, but the last seasons have been boring and uncompetitive. NASCAR at least has a lot of passing, something that is sorely lacking in F1.
Anyone else pissed thay Nascar bought speed? Ive noticed much excellent GT racing from around the world has been replaced by dirt track non-sense...
Dont get me wrong, I like the idea of F1, but the last seasons have been boring and uncompetitive. NASCAR at least has a lot of passing, something that is sorely lacking in F1.
Anyone else pissed thay Nascar bought speed? Ive noticed much excellent GT racing from around the world has been replaced by dirt track non-sense...
^ A creation of Spirit of Me
by -HaVoC- » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:52 pm
That's a shame because speed had a great international coverage. Why is it humans always grind a good thing into the ground until it's useless?
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"Now, if things look bad, and it looks like your not going to make it, then you've got to get mean, I mean plum mad dog mean, 'cause if you lose your head and give up then you neither live nor win, and that's just the way it is."
- The Outlaw Josey Wales -
put me on the team that Harry aint on....I sure miss shooting him and if im on the same team as HaVoC...OMFG we will stomp a mudhole in you and walk it dry.
- YaDad -
"Now, if things look bad, and it looks like your not going to make it, then you've got to get mean, I mean plum mad dog mean, 'cause if you lose your head and give up then you neither live nor win, and that's just the way it is."
- The Outlaw Josey Wales -
put me on the team that Harry aint on....I sure miss shooting him and if im on the same team as HaVoC...OMFG we will stomp a mudhole in you and walk it dry.
- YaDad -
by RCglider » Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:22 am
If you want a thrill, watch a TF dragster make a run. You'll never forget it.
My idea of power:
* One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500.
* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1½ gallons of
nitromethane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced.
* A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the dragster supercharger.
* With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.
* At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitromethane the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F.
* Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
* Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of
an arc welder in each cylinder.
* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.
* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.
* In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph well before half-track, the launch acceleration approaches 8G's .
* Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed reading this sentence.
* Top Fuel Engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!
*Including the burnout the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under
load.
* The red-line is actually quite high at 9500 rpm.
* The Bottom Line; Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated US $1,000.00 per second. The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is 333.00 mph (533 km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03 Doug Kalitta).
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> Putting all of this into perspective:
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You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter "twin-turbo" powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line and past the dragster at an honest 200 mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment. The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed him.
Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race course.
That, folks, is acceleration
Interesting tidbits:
… the nitromethane-powered engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars produce approximately 8,000 horsepower, about 43 times that of the average street car.
… one cylinder of the eight cylinders of a Top Fuel dragster or a Funny Car produces 750 horsepower, equaling the entire horsepower output of a NASCAR engine.
… an NHRA Top Fuel dragster accelerates from 0 to 100 mph in less than .8-second, almost 11 seconds quicker than it takes a production Porsche 911 Turbo to reach the same speed.
… an NHRA Top Fuel dragster leaves the starting line with a force nearly five times that of gravity, the same force of the space shuttle when it leaves the launching pad at Cape Canaveral.
… an NHRA Funny Car is slowed by a reverse force more than seven times that of gravity when both parachutes deploy simultaneously.
… NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars consume between four and five gallons of fuel during a quarter-mile run, which is equivalent to between 16 and 20 gallons per mile.
… NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars use between 10 and 12 gallons of fuel for a complete pass, including the burnout, backup to the starting line, and quarter-mile run.
… NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars travel the length of more than four football fields in less than five seconds.
… NHRA Top Fuel dragsters can exceed 280 mph in just 660 feet.
… from a standing start, NHRA Top Fuel dragsters accelerate faster than a jumbo jet, a fighter jet, and a Formula One race car.
… a fuel pump for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster and Funny Car delivers 65 gallons of fuel per minute, equivalent to eight bathroom showers running at the same time.
… the fuel-line pressure for NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars is between 400 and 500 pounds, about 20 times greater than the pressure on passenger-car fuel pumps.
… depending on size and angle, the large rear wing on an NHRA Top Fuel dragster develops between 4,000 and 8,000 pounds of downforce.
… the 17-inch rear tires used on NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars wear out after four to six runs, or about two miles. Some brands of passenger-car tires are guaranteed for 80,000 miles.
… it takes just 15/100ths of a second for all 8,000 horsepower of an NHRA Top Fuel dragster engine to reach the rear wheels.
… it's desirable for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster to race with its front wheels inches off the ground for about the first 200 feet of the run. This ensures proper weight transfer to the rear wheels, a crucial part of a good launch and quick run.
… the nitromethane used to power the engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars costs about $30 per gallon.
My idea of power:
* One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower than the first 4 rows at the Daytona 500.
* Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1½ gallons of
nitromethane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced.
* A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to drive the dragster supercharger.
* With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.
* At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitromethane the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F.
* Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
* Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug. This is the output of
an arc welder in each cylinder.
* Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.
* If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.
* In order to exceed 300 mph in 4.5 seconds dragsters must accelerate at an average of over 4G's. In order to reach 200 mph well before half-track, the launch acceleration approaches 8G's .
* Dragsters reach over 300 miles per hour before you have completed reading this sentence.
* Top Fuel Engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!
*Including the burnout the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under
load.
* The red-line is actually quite high at 9500 rpm.
* The Bottom Line; Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated US $1,000.00 per second. The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.441 seconds for the quarter mile (10/05/03, Tony Schumacher). The top speed record is 333.00 mph (533 km/h) as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03 Doug Kalitta).
>
> Putting all of this into perspective:
>
You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter "twin-turbo" powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged and ready to launch down a quarter mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the 'Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line and past the dragster at an honest 200 mph. The 'tree' goes green for both of you at that moment. The dragster launches and starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums and within 3 seconds the dragster catches and passes you. He beats you to the finish line, a quarter mile away from where you just passed him.
Think about it, from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 mph and not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race course.
That, folks, is acceleration
Interesting tidbits:
… the nitromethane-powered engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars produce approximately 8,000 horsepower, about 43 times that of the average street car.
… one cylinder of the eight cylinders of a Top Fuel dragster or a Funny Car produces 750 horsepower, equaling the entire horsepower output of a NASCAR engine.
… an NHRA Top Fuel dragster accelerates from 0 to 100 mph in less than .8-second, almost 11 seconds quicker than it takes a production Porsche 911 Turbo to reach the same speed.
… an NHRA Top Fuel dragster leaves the starting line with a force nearly five times that of gravity, the same force of the space shuttle when it leaves the launching pad at Cape Canaveral.
… an NHRA Funny Car is slowed by a reverse force more than seven times that of gravity when both parachutes deploy simultaneously.
… NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars consume between four and five gallons of fuel during a quarter-mile run, which is equivalent to between 16 and 20 gallons per mile.
… NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars use between 10 and 12 gallons of fuel for a complete pass, including the burnout, backup to the starting line, and quarter-mile run.
… NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars travel the length of more than four football fields in less than five seconds.
… NHRA Top Fuel dragsters can exceed 280 mph in just 660 feet.
… from a standing start, NHRA Top Fuel dragsters accelerate faster than a jumbo jet, a fighter jet, and a Formula One race car.
… a fuel pump for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster and Funny Car delivers 65 gallons of fuel per minute, equivalent to eight bathroom showers running at the same time.
… the fuel-line pressure for NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars is between 400 and 500 pounds, about 20 times greater than the pressure on passenger-car fuel pumps.
… depending on size and angle, the large rear wing on an NHRA Top Fuel dragster develops between 4,000 and 8,000 pounds of downforce.
… the 17-inch rear tires used on NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars wear out after four to six runs, or about two miles. Some brands of passenger-car tires are guaranteed for 80,000 miles.
… it takes just 15/100ths of a second for all 8,000 horsepower of an NHRA Top Fuel dragster engine to reach the rear wheels.
… it's desirable for an NHRA Top Fuel dragster to race with its front wheels inches off the ground for about the first 200 feet of the run. This ensures proper weight transfer to the rear wheels, a crucial part of a good launch and quick run.
… the nitromethane used to power the engines of NHRA Top Fuel dragsters and Funny Cars costs about $30 per gallon.
by Heatmiser » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:24 am
Originally posted by deathBOB
No longer heat... F1 has been reduced to 8 cylinders in an effort to curb enormous engine developement costs...
Still have one more season of 10 cyl cars, so don't fret too much death. Plus, the concode agreement expires in 08 I think. Might see some of the bigger teams branch off into another series - without Mosley and Ecclestone mucking up the works...
- Dutchy (nl)
by Dutchy (nl) » Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:03 am
Originally posted by Heatmiser
Still have one more season of 10 cyl cars, so don't fret too much death. Plus, the concode agreement expires in 08 I think. Might see some of the bigger teams branch off into another series - without Mosley and Ecclestone mucking up the works...
Concorde Agreement expires in 2007. Ferrari was offered $100.000.000 to stay in Formula one untill 2012. They took the offer. There indeed are teams that consider joining the GPWC, where they would get more money and they would have more to say.
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