Another woman getting tasered video

[PraiseA||ah Profile]

Originally posted by smithpa68
Exactly... you DO have to listen to the police officers. Allah... let me ask you something. do you find anything wrong with thanking a kid for doing something before they actually do it? Like " Put your shoes on Johnny, we are leaving for school. Thank you". Just curious.


And by the way. Just for the record, I personally find your nickname extremely offensive. I know it is not up to me here at ECGN... and that is fine. But I just don't like it.

I don't know where you're going with your first question and no. I don't see anything wrong with it. Relevance?

As for my name, I find it offensive that you find it offensive. And I also know it's not up to me to kick you for your bigotry.

[smithpa68 Profile]

Originally posted by cavalierlwt
Let's not have personal attacks, now,it's just a discussion.
SERENITY NOW!!!!

Sorry Cav.. You are right. I didn't mean it as a personal attack, I just don't like his nickname for personal reasons. I will drop it.

[cavalierlwt Profile]

Now, did the officer use patience of did he jump that gun? that's debatable. He was within the limits of the law, but could they have done a better job, a happier outcome? maybe. Use of force results in a review if the person files a complaint, or if there's an injury.
Personally I would tasered her about 5 seconds before the officer did, he waited until she tried to physically jerk out of the other Officers grasp (resisting arrest).

[cavalierlwt Profile]

Originally posted by smithpa68
Sorry Cav.. You are right. I didn't mean it as a personal attack, I just don't like his nickname for personal reasons. I will drop it.

No sweat, all is good

[smithpa68 Profile]

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
I don't know where you're going with your first question and no. I don't see anything wrong with it. Relevance?

As for my name, I find it offensive that you find it offensive. And I also know it's not up to me to kick you for your bigotry.

It shows where you stand on discipline. It is where I figured. I think you use the nickname to incite people rather than for religious reasons. But as I said to Cav. I will let it go. I don't normally get into these kinds of posts.. and shouldn't have started now. I bow out of this one.

[cavalierlwt Profile]

Yeah, we will all agree to disagree. I then I will taser you all, just for the sheer unadulterated hell of it!

[PraiseA||ah Profile]

Discipline. We are citizens with rights and freedoms. A police officer is there to protect and serve. Most often they forget that and think more in terms of making people obey them whereas if they changed their mentality a little they would still accomplish the job without the brutality.
As an example, I offer you this.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/honore.profile/index.html

Make sure you watch the clip as well.
It's all about how you approach a problem.

Edit: The article I was looking for I can't find anymore but the clip is there if you go in the cnn media player -> top stories -> 'Ragin' Cajun' takes action (3:25)

[Rand0m Profile]

I have a sick sense of humor and Im not sorry I found it funny when her ass got tazered. In fact, I laughed out loud. I hope I never have to tazer anyone when Im a police officer for the sheer fact that I'll be laughing in their face as I do it.
Then we all know I'll be in some serious trouble. *well if I dont laugh in their face, I know I will be inside*

And please lets not get into any religion/war/government discussion over someones name. I don't find it offensive at all. I agree with allah though, that I find it offensive that you find it offensive. But then again maybe you find it offensive that I find it offensive that you find it offensive?






I'd also like to add that women had been drinking, bit her boy friend (?), and began raising her voice. She was warned, fair and square. Taze the bitch!

[A.M. Foxtrot Profile]

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
.... She was cooperating. If the officer had backed off a little and let her extricate herself from the car, THEN arrested her, no tasering needed to have happened. Instead you have one guy who can't wait to taser her.

first and foremost, A police officer's own safety is the number one priority. Next, you're assuming that she is going to comply if the officer was to back away from her. We all have the luxury to critique this event through the eyes of the camera, the officer does not. How do you know that she was not concealing a weapon that could possibly injure the officer. Backing away from that person who obviously was non-compliant is not an option. The officer did what he felt was necessarry to subdue the person and maintained order to the situation.

[PraiseA||ah Profile]

I firmly disagree that the officer was in any danger whatsoever. There was no weapon on her and she was not threatening the officers. She was being threatened by the one officer.

In fact, it is that officer who escalated the whole situation from mild to severe. She was calm and she was talking to them trying to explain her side of the story when he came over with a clear intent. I think he caused the situation instead of doing as he should have done which is defuse a potentially (at that point) hostile situation.

[ZRX 1200 Profile]

The woman was indeed resisting arrest, however in the beginning she seemed mostly cooperative. They unlocked the door on the other side and asked her to open her door which she does. At that point, I think the black officer aggrevates the situation by grabbing her wrist, as if to yank her out of the car. I think that was uncalled for.

If I was in a car with the intent to get out and someone grabbed my wrist, I would feel threatened. I don't honestly think the officer wanted to yank her out, but he certainly wasn't offering a helping hand. So what was his intent?

My conclusion is that the officers created a situation where tasing the woman became necessary. The officer on the passenger side had a "give me a reason to taze you" attitude which escalated the situation.

Edit:
This is a much, much, MUCH better example of good judgment with the use of a tazer:
http://www.big-boys.com/articles/policetazer.html

[Wolfy2 Profile]

Originally posted by cavalierlwt
I am just a big fan of taser videos, it's good thing that I'm not a cop, I'd be tasering people all day long (until they fired me).
Drive too fast--get tasered.
Talking on the cell phone---get tasered.
Have that 'tazer me' look on your face---get tasered


Once again, a woman who just doesn't realize that even she has to do what the police tell her to do. Completely. Without hesitation. Or running off at the mouth. Seriously.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/womantazer.html

Yeah, the cops could have handled it differently, but how else is this woman going to learn to OBEY POLICE COMMANDS!!!

[A.M. Foxtrot Profile]

No weapon? You know this how? Does the officer know this for certain? Look, you have to stopl viewing this from the perspective of the camera. The officer is facing the suspects back. That means he cannot see what's in front of her. If I were that officer and a person is not being cooperative and is being hesitant for one reason or another, I would be suspicious that this person is buying time for something. I'm not taking any chances with my life or the life of my fellow officer. She was non-compliant, the officer decided to take control of the situation, he tazed her...The end.

I don't know where you come from, but If an officer tells you to do somehting...you F*ckin' do it. I don't call sitting in the car and arguing with the officer to be compliant. And by taking her down, he did exactly what you said...He diffused a potentially hostile situation.

[PraiseA||ah Profile]

I refuse to agree that tasing is something that is ok to do if someone isn't following orders. I suppose that is as simple as I can state it. I think there has to be some other reason to tase someone. Some threatening gesture from a suspect of a crime that is above a misdeamener in severity.

[cavalierlwt Profile]

He didn't tase her as punishment for a crime. He tased her to force her to comply with his instructions. When the officer said "put you hands behind your back", he was arresting her. She pulled away, and started arguing her case. Well, regardless of threat, or lack threat, he has a few options:

1) Grapple with her, wrestle her down and handcuff her.
2) Tase her until she complies, puts her hands behind her back.
3) Stand there and argue with her.

So what it boils down to is, he chose #2. I wouldn't stand there and argue with her either. If I'm a cop and I say put your hands behind your back, you better do it. He's not there to debate her, it's not his job to convince her to give herself up for arrest. I do agree, the cops didn't do a very good job of steering the outcome away from the tasering, but in the end they are not required to go the 'extra mile' to make up for the fact that she wasn't willing to do what she is required to do, by law: which is to obey the Officers lawful command.

PraiseAllah, if you were a cop, how long would you stand and argue with her. Would you let her argue for 5 minutes? 15 minutes? one hour? When you finally decided that the debate was over, that you were going to arrest her, and she still refused to put her hands behind her back, which option would you take? Wrestle with her, or taser her?
Some cops still go the wrestling route, but believe it or not, cops worry more about wrestling with people (as far as lawsuits go) than they do tasering. When you wrestle someone down, it's tough to say how much force was used, where tasers deliver a measured amount of force that is consistent and dependable.