Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:28 am
How covientent that a group born in a region coveted by the CIA, lead by a CIA operative, if he is even still alive, claims resposibility.
This immediately allows us to abandon the investigation and begin bombing of piss-ant third world countries?
Please. This is nothing more than a ploy. The plans to bomb and invade Afghanastan were drawn up some 4 years prior. Go out and read the Grand Chessboard. The fact that al-Quadea claimed responsibility gave us the immediate justification to go into Afghanastan, remove the Taliban (funded and enshried into power by the CIA) and replace them with the former head of UNOCAL. Oh, yea, I forgot, also to replant those profitabe poppy fields.
But hey, if you wish to believe that some phantom menace did it, it's your right to be deluded.
This immediately allows us to abandon the investigation and begin bombing of piss-ant third world countries?
Please. This is nothing more than a ploy. The plans to bomb and invade Afghanastan were drawn up some 4 years prior. Go out and read the Grand Chessboard. The fact that al-Quadea claimed responsibility gave us the immediate justification to go into Afghanastan, remove the Taliban (funded and enshried into power by the CIA) and replace them with the former head of UNOCAL. Oh, yea, I forgot, also to replant those profitabe poppy fields.
But hey, if you wish to believe that some phantom menace did it, it's your right to be deluded.
Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:00 pm
Do you actually play any of the games on these servers Blood?
Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:07 pm
Yeah, I've seen him on the RTCW beach ralph... don't know if he's any good or not though....
Personally, I think its the fault of that rich guy in "Contact". He's not really dead and he's gathering "Grey" aliens to help David Duchovny take over Lake Titicaca and the supply of Spice from Arrakis that sits on the bottom....
Duhn duh-duh-duh daaaaaaa.....
Personally, I think its the fault of that rich guy in "Contact". He's not really dead and he's gathering "Grey" aliens to help David Duchovny take over Lake Titicaca and the supply of Spice from Arrakis that sits on the bottom....
Duhn duh-duh-duh daaaaaaa.....
Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:25 pm
Originally posted by BloodBudda
How covientent that a group born in a region coveted by the CIA, lead by a CIA operative, if he is even still alive, claims resposibility.
This immediately allows us to abandon the investigation and begin bombing of piss-ant third world countries?
Please. This is nothing more than a ploy. The plans to bomb and invade Afghanastan were drawn up some 4 years prior. Go out and read the Grand Chessboard. The fact that al-Quadea claimed responsibility gave us the immediate justification to go into Afghanastan, remove the Taliban (funded and enshried into power by the CIA) and replace them with the former head of UNOCAL. Oh, yea, I forgot, also to replant those profitabe poppy fields.
But hey, if you wish to believe that some phantom menace did it, it's your right to be deluded.
i have some questions for you blood?
do you think the taliban should have been left to control afghanistan by using fear and radical rules? Do you think we should have left the al qaeda in afghanisatn so that they could continue on their merry little terrorist ways? do you think Saddam should remain in power at Iraq? a man who controls people by fear? a man who gained power through murder? a man who wont allow any Iraqi to speak poorly of him to outside reporters? if they do, they will be executed. It just seems your extreme mistrust of our government has blinded you of the fact that it is capable of doing good things.
Fri Mar 28, 2003 3:22 pm
I just wonder why people whine like this yet still live in the US. There are pleanty of other places you people could live.
Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:12 pm
/Rant on
My biggest problem with the argument Blood is making is that it is based on plausible ideas rather than facts. Is it possible that the debris from the towers was not properly examined by experts using a wide variety of chemical analysis or metalurgical tests? Sure, it's just as possible as the fact that the government is LIKELY not providing us with the exact U.S. casualty reports in Iraq right now. Just because we THINK it might be true though, doesn't mean it is.
I see arguments on a variety of topics like this on the internet all the time (conspiracy theories) and the one thing that they all seem to be lacking are factual information. It's so easy to word something in such a way that it sounds like it's a fact when indeed it isn't. In fact, let me give it a go right now and attempt to answer some of Blood's questions:
*insane bullshit mode on*
Q: Why did those fires at the base of the towers burn for 100 days?
A: Gas lines that run underneath the WTC complex were damaged in several areas causing a gas leak that could not be cutoff from the central station. This slow leak continued to fuel the fires started by the collision of the planes with the building.
Q: Why was FEMA in New York the night before the crashes?
A: An annual meeting of the Federal Emergency Management Agency is held in New York during the second full week of September each year.
Q: Why did it take 28 minutes for flight controllers to notify NORAD two planes had been hijacked when the average time to do so in such a case is 3 minutes?
A: The delay is apparently due to one Charles Martindale who oversees the traffic control operations for the group that first realized the planes were off of their plotted flight plan. Charles has been reprimanded in the past several times for alchohol related issues. On that day he was hungover, in the bathroom vomiting at the time it was confirmed the planes were off course. Without his direct authorization, the air traffic controllers were unable to notify NORAD in a prompt manner.
*insane bullshit mode off*
It is my opinion that most credible news agencies try their best to report facts that can be backed up by several credible sources or physical evidence. Many of the questions Blood is asking are unfounded to begin with and I am confident that news agencies would have been more apt to report on some of those claims if there were real evidence to back them up. (Example, I've not heard a word about Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco being called the night before, if credible evidence of this call existed, the media would have been all over it IMHO I've also yet to see information regarding all this money that was supposedly made on put options).
Lastly, it's easy to sit and say that the "average time to report hijacked planes to NORAD is 3 minutes" but where are you even hearing half the shit you're spouting? You cite several sources from media organizations that you may believe or not believe are controlled by the CIA. If you think so much of the media is controlled by a Government agency, then what makes you think the other sites you read are not also under the influence of an outside organization?
Point is that these kinds of arguments are pointLESS.
/Rant off
-BT
My biggest problem with the argument Blood is making is that it is based on plausible ideas rather than facts. Is it possible that the debris from the towers was not properly examined by experts using a wide variety of chemical analysis or metalurgical tests? Sure, it's just as possible as the fact that the government is LIKELY not providing us with the exact U.S. casualty reports in Iraq right now. Just because we THINK it might be true though, doesn't mean it is.
I see arguments on a variety of topics like this on the internet all the time (conspiracy theories) and the one thing that they all seem to be lacking are factual information. It's so easy to word something in such a way that it sounds like it's a fact when indeed it isn't. In fact, let me give it a go right now and attempt to answer some of Blood's questions:
*insane bullshit mode on*
Q: Why did those fires at the base of the towers burn for 100 days?
A: Gas lines that run underneath the WTC complex were damaged in several areas causing a gas leak that could not be cutoff from the central station. This slow leak continued to fuel the fires started by the collision of the planes with the building.
Q: Why was FEMA in New York the night before the crashes?
A: An annual meeting of the Federal Emergency Management Agency is held in New York during the second full week of September each year.
Q: Why did it take 28 minutes for flight controllers to notify NORAD two planes had been hijacked when the average time to do so in such a case is 3 minutes?
A: The delay is apparently due to one Charles Martindale who oversees the traffic control operations for the group that first realized the planes were off of their plotted flight plan. Charles has been reprimanded in the past several times for alchohol related issues. On that day he was hungover, in the bathroom vomiting at the time it was confirmed the planes were off course. Without his direct authorization, the air traffic controllers were unable to notify NORAD in a prompt manner.
*insane bullshit mode off*
It is my opinion that most credible news agencies try their best to report facts that can be backed up by several credible sources or physical evidence. Many of the questions Blood is asking are unfounded to begin with and I am confident that news agencies would have been more apt to report on some of those claims if there were real evidence to back them up. (Example, I've not heard a word about Mayor Willie Brown of San Francisco being called the night before, if credible evidence of this call existed, the media would have been all over it IMHO I've also yet to see information regarding all this money that was supposedly made on put options).
Lastly, it's easy to sit and say that the "average time to report hijacked planes to NORAD is 3 minutes" but where are you even hearing half the shit you're spouting? You cite several sources from media organizations that you may believe or not believe are controlled by the CIA. If you think so much of the media is controlled by a Government agency, then what makes you think the other sites you read are not also under the influence of an outside organization?
Point is that these kinds of arguments are pointLESS.
/Rant off
-BT
Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:30 pm
Originally posted by Edogg
i have some questions for you blood?
do you think the taliban should have been left to control afghanistan by using fear and radical rules? Do you think we should have left the al qaeda in afghanisatn so that they could continue on their merry little terrorist ways? do you think Saddam should remain in power at Iraq? a man who controls people by fear? a man who gained power through murder? a man who wont allow any Iraqi to speak poorly of him to outside reporters? if they do, they will be executed. It just seems your extreme mistrust of our government has blinded you to the fact that it is capable of doing good things.
The Taliban was placed in power by the CIA and replaced by another operative of the CIA. There is no difference. However, the Taliban in thier infinate wisdom also decided to scrap the opium fields and begin planting food stuffs for their people. How horrible. They must be stopped.
The Taliban may not have been the best to rule, but then the people always have an alternative. They can overthrow their government, they can fight them if they really wanted to. However, what right do we have to say that they should live as we do? Act as we do? Live as we do? We have enough problems over here that need to addressed before we go around and tell others how to live their pathetic little lives.
Saddam is the same story. Placed into power by the CIA, armed by the CIA and other nations. I have one question for you in this matter. If the people did not want Saddam, couldn't they just have killed him? Afterall, every time I saw Saddam on the boob-tube, the people around him had assault rifles and he was in the open. He had nothing to fear from his own. I'll bet that if the war were to end and elections were to happen, Saddam would be re-elected.
Again what place do we have in telling others how to run their country? We wouldn't stand for it. If some other country forced their beliefs, their lifestyle, their political process on us we would tell them top go to hell in a heartbeat.
Why would you deny them the same right to decide what their country does, when we would never stand for it?
And no, I do not think that Saddam, nor the Taliban are nice individuals, being trained by the world's hit squad. But if you look at our recent history, you will find that we do much worse. The only difference is that we hide it better.
And our government doesn't do nice things. The government does horrific things then plays a public relations game to make it appear that they are doing good.
If our government does such nice things, why is it planning to use a chemical agent on family farms, most of which do not grow coca plants, in Columbia that is 10 times worse than agent orange?
If our goverment does such nice things, why does it allow illegal aliens to get some of the best medical care in the country while our very own citizens suffer with ailments?
If our government does such nice things, why did they just cut $192 from the Department of Vetran Affairs?
If our government does such nice things, why, in Gulf War 1, did they use delpeated uranium on the battlefield of Iraq and not tell our own soldiers?
(DU has a half life of something on the order of 4 billion years and will remain radioactive. 30 tons from the first Gulf War and who knows how much now.)
No, our government does not do such nice things voluntarily. Only when it meets their needs.
Oh yea, and I should support Shrub? He gained power, not through an election, but by appointment from the supreme Court. Oh yea, and now they are using the (UN)PATRIOT ACT to round up dissenters here in America. They have lists of people who they know will make trouble and have begun paying them visits and, poof, they disappear. Do you support this? I know Mugzy does.
Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:38 pm
Blood, you really need to get a life. This is an insane bullshit theory. And yes the Towers were examined, as seen on special episodes by the History Channel and The Learning Channel (TLC). Enough said, topic closed.