Man killed after bomb claim at airport

by **SavageParrot** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 7:10 am

We've been dealing with terrorism for a lot longer than you. People have always had that nagging doubt about whether or not the IRA were going to bomb the underground. To be honest I think most people are pretty much numb to it now. That's why targeting Britain is retarded, we've already proven we aren't susceptible to this shit...

by **Sabres** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 10:42 pm

I don't mean for this to be funny or mean in anyway, but... does anyone know where he was shot? If he died from a shot that was meant to wound, or something like that, I really feel bad for his family. But I feel bad for them anyways.

by **Chacal** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:41 am

I have problems with a person rejoicing in another's death or suffering, for whatever reason.

I hope such a person never gets in a position of power.

by **SavageParrot** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:10 am

I thought that was one of the key requirements for political office alongside being owned by an oil company and having a crap load of money.

by **cavalierlwt** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:31 am

I'm starting to think this guy never said anything about a bomb. All the stories have the passengers interviewed saying that the guys kept yelling 'I've got to get out of here' and that's it. I'm starting to think this guy panicked, maybe fear of flying or claustrophobia, something like that. It sounds like the Air Marshall may have panicked. If they guy didn't mention a bomb, and he was outside the aircraft, I'm thinking this might be one big screw-up.

by **SavageParrot** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:43 am

I was thinking the same thing. The reports do seem pretty sketchy. Reminds me of the shooting on the underground here and the way the story started to unravel under scrutiny.

by **Chacal** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:38 pm

I was thinking the same. That guy in the subway station wasn't even running or doing anything suspicious after all, his only crime was looking foreign.

No wonder the dumbass Scotland Yard commissioner tried to kill the enquiry.

Originally posted by cavalierlwt
It sounds like the Air Marshall may have panicked. If they guy didn't mention a bomb, and he was outside the aircraft, I'm thinking this might be one big screw-up.

Shhhh... they are The Law and they have Guns, so they are Right. Don't say things like that in public, you could end up on a list.

by **girl** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:47 pm

In that case, someone should kill the Air Marshall the next time he freaks out over something.

by **Iron City Man** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:56 pm

Some passengers say he didn't, flight attendants and officers say he did. Either way, the guy was being a nutjob and didn't listen to authorities who were trying to protect the passengers.

Who gives a rats ass if the guy didn't say bomb; he acted crazy (from his own action of not taking his meds) and when told to hit the deck, he reached inside his bag for something. Christ, if they didn't shoot him and he did have a bomb or weapon the people hurt would have sued for inadequate security. You can't have it both ways. How about people just accepting personal responsibility for their actions and fucking man up!

by **Bromsin** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:12 pm

Originally posted by LordShard
THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST TAZERED HIM!!!!11111
But then they would have gotten sued by the man's family and all hell break loose.

If he was suspected of having an explosive they cannot tazer him. He could still detonate a device.

Bottom line is, the guy was bi-polar, his wife knew he was off his meds. They shouldnt have gotten on the plane.

Someone who has that type of condition and is not taking meds to keep it under control can snap in a heartbeat. Anything can set it off.

The air marshals dont have time in cases like that to analyze what is going on. They have to react in order to save lives of others. In this case there was no real threat, but they cant have known that.

Its unfortunate it happend like it did, but not much else could have been done.

by **cavalierlwt** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:31 pm

I'm not passing judgement on the Air Marshall, it's not like we have all the facts yet. It's just possible that he may have overreacted. One thing to bear in mind, every situation is different, and people (who are only human) have to make decisions in tough circumstances. I've seen a video of a cop who pulled over a person who turned out to be deranged. The guy talked to the cop, then walked back to his truck, reached in and pulled out a gun. The whole time the cop was yelling 'Stop right there, freeze, etc' The guy pulled out an M1 Garand , they exchanged shots, but the guy killed the cop. The cop should have shot him when he reached into his truck. Unless it turned out that the guy reached in for his license or something. Then the cop would have been alive--but probably in trouble for shooting an unarmed guy. If this Air Marshal screwed up, then we shouldn't overreact. It sucks, and it would mean that the Air Marshall should consider another line of work. Who knows though, hindsight is 20/20. Just see if lessons can be learned. It is sad though. Ironically, I read the guy was panicking before he got on the plane, in fact was so freaked that he didn't get on until everyone else got on board. Makes you think about a previous discussion, where airline workers wouldn't let people on the flight if they were a little drunk or acting strangely. Would have beneficial to all if someone had observed the guy's mental state and denied him passage. Like I say, hindsight is 20/20

by **Iron City Man** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:15 am

Great example man. I remember seeing that video and being horrified that the cop didn't shoot as soon as the guy went for his gun. How can we pass judgement on the Air Marshall who put their lives on the line everyday to stop these kinds of threats at all costs. There's an adage that goes something like 'Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6'.

by **Hat Rack** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:43 am

I heard the air marshalls are on edge right now because an Egyptian bomber is on the loose. He was at an airport and was going through the security and his shoes failed the chemical test. They did it many times over and he took off with out any of the idiot security guards noticing. Also the name he gave and the school he said he attends has no record of him. So now, naturally the air marshals are a little jumpy. But I only heard this story from one person, it could be BS.

by **nameless** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:19 am

Originally posted by Chacal
Shhhh... they are The Law and they have Guns, so they are Right. Don't say things like that in public, you could end up on a list.

here is my old mail-signature:

and now for our friends at the nsa, mi5, cia, mad and mossad:
bomb, terrorism, 9/11, bin laden, drugs, money, cocain, heroine.

will this bring me on the list

?

by **SavageParrot** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:36 am

Don't complain too loudly you might get sent to the middle east to get tortured...

Man killed after bomb claim at airport

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