Government

by **shockwave203** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:30 pm

Originally posted by Chacal
This is more and more wandering off-topic.

It's already offtopic, so can I ask you a question? Will you be voting liberal or Bloc in January?

by **Chacal** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:32 pm

I don't think the US government should bring back the draft.

I'm from Quebec. of course I'm voting Bloc!

by **shockwave203** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:34 pm

Originally posted by Chacal
I'm from Quebec. of course I'm voting Bloc!

Are you being sarcastic? :confused:

I hope you are. I don't see why quebecers choose to punish a federal government for crimes of a past one.

by **JimmyTango** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:43 pm

Originally posted by RCglider

There is an organized effort within our country at the highest levels of the Democratic Party and their media accomplices to destroy our ability to wage war against the enemies whose stated goal is to kill as many Americans as possible.

Do you wear tin foil on your head so that the martians can not read your mind while you sleep?

by **PraiseA||ah** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:45 pm

Originally posted by JimmyTango
Do you wear tin foil on your head so that the martians can not read your mind while you sleep?

by **PraiseA||ah** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:58 pm

OK ok... back on topic.

The only way I would support a draft is if the United States were in a war that I supported. I do not support the current war.
It's sad that because of that war there are funds and soldiers being sent overseas that could be put to much better use here at home. 2005 was a year of tragedy and natural disasters. Then of course, you have domestic issues like education, crime prevention and poverty which are at the bottom of the list for government aid. Coincidence that those three factors were key elements in the selection of victims of Katrina?
Things I would agree to a draft for are for morally justified wars such as ending genocide. Example. Like what has occured in Africa at least twice in the last 10 years.
An attack on US. Now one would say 9/11 but as you can no doubt tell from my previous postings, I think we've strayed very far from the target. At any rate, a small country like Afghanistan didn't need a draft to defeat it. That war was over almost before it began and the original reason for going to war and original enemy has been forgotten/ignored/perverted by the current administration.

by **=ender=** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:07 pm

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
OK ok... back on topic.

The only way I would support a draft is if the United States were in a war that I supported. I do not support the current war.
It's sad that because of that war there are funds and soldiers being sent overseas that could be put to much better use here at home. 2005 was a year of tragedy and natural disasters. Then of course, you have domestic issues like education, crime prevention and poverty which are at the bottom of the list for government aid. Coincidence that those three factors were key elements in the selection of victims of Katrina?
Things I would agree to a draft for are for morally justified wars such as ending genocide. Example. Like what has occured in Africa at least twice in the last 10 years.
An attack on US. Now one would say 9/11 but as you can no doubt tell from my previous postings, I think we've strayed very far from the target. At any rate, a small country like Afghanistan didn't need a draft to defeat it. That war was over almost before it began and the original reason for going to war and original enemy has been forgotten/ignored/perverted by the current administration.

Pretty much agreed with PA across the board. I wouldn't hessitate one iota if it was a war I felt was justified or even necessary. I truly feel like our focus got skewed and think we should re-evaluate and refocus our presence in Afghanistan. I do feel like we can't just walk out of Iraq... there's a helluva mess there that we can't just walk away from unfortunately. Would be nice to, but we've made it slightly messier in our wake.

Off-topic (to PA): it's been AGES since I've played BF2 (going on 2 months I think). Got a little burned out. I'm afraid my skills will be lacking when I come back. I might have to shoot newbs somewhere else before I lose too much face here at ECGN.

by **CodeRed68** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:12 pm

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
Then of course, you have domestic issues like education, crime prevention and poverty which are at the bottom of the list for government aid.

Bottom of the list for FEDERAL government aid and rightfully so. These are all issues that have nothing to do with the federal government. These are issues that should be handled at the local government level. State, county, city, etc.
When you start having the federal government too involved in these things you start moving away from the kind of government the colonists intended and more of a totalitarian, socialist government. If we are ever going to reduce federal spending and income tax, these issues need to be delegated to local authorities.

by **PraiseA||ah** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:19 pm

I wouldn't mind a more Socialist minded form of government. One that focuses more on the people's needs would be a good thing. National health care isn't a dirty word or concept imo. Neither is Socialism. At any rate, I don't care what it's called. Applying money to help people is what I'm talking about.

by **CodeRed68** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:25 pm

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
I wouldn't mind a more Socialist minded form of government. One that focuses more on the people's needs would be a good thing. National health care isn't a dirty word or concept imo. Neither is Socialism. At any rate, I don't care what it's called. Applying money to help people is what I'm talking about.

PA, i timed your response.. it took about 6 minutes, 12 seconds.
Just kidding.

We just have different views on the way things should be run and what the govt is and is not responsible for.

by **shockwave203** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:48 pm

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
I wouldn't mind a more Socialist minded form of government. One that focuses more on the people's needs would be a good thing. National health care isn't a dirty word or concept imo. Neither is Socialism. At any rate, I don't care what it's called. Applying money to help people is what I'm talking about.

Having a healthcare system like that works a lot better when the government actually funds the program FULLY. Wait times for some procedures in this country are absolutely horrendous.

by **SavageParrot** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:04 pm

I love how the party for 'small government' will argue in favour of almost any government intrusion on the private lives on the individual when the alternative would be siding with a member of the opposition party. I find it hillarious.

by **CodeRed68** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:16 pm

Originally posted by SavageParrot
I love how the party for 'small government' will argue in favour of almost any government intrusion on the private lives on the individual when the alternative would be siding with a member of the opposition party. I find it hillarious.

I am not arguing in favor of any government intrusion! and i love small government.
Keeping a close eye on "persons of interest". Now that is a different story.

by **Ldsmith104** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:18 pm

Originally posted by PraiseA||ah
Applying money to help people is what I'm talking about.

This is EXACTLY what I disagree with most! NOONE is entitled to ANYTHING except"...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Redistribution of wealth is socialism!!!

People should get a job, be a productive member of society and support themselves. NOT expect handouts and live off the system in other forms of nature they would be called parasites.

Why should I work, save, plan for my future while a large amount of my taxes go to support dead beats sitting at home drawing welfare for there lifetime. I know families that have been on welfare for three generations!!!

Nothing aimed at anyone specific just a different opinion

by **SavageParrot** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 4:21 pm

Originally posted by CodeRed68
I am not arguing in favor of any government intrusion! and i love small government.
Keeping a close eye on "persons of interest". Now that is a different story.

I was directing that at rcgliders liberal conspiracy comment. I never made it onto this page in my reading

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