Steelers WIN

[Sabres Profile ICQ]

Originally posted by Slaughter2
Steelers were the 6th seed and Seattle got owned period

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[Trash Can Profile]

Originally posted by Slaughter2
wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh anything that is owned by a former windows inventor needs to be owned period........waahhhhhh wasn't a block below the knees wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.........non holding penilty waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Steelers were the 6th seed and Seattle got owned period

lol - that's the 'ole Pittsburg sportsmanship!!!

[Iron City Man]

Here is a video that shows the ball breaking the plane of the endzone and Jackson's interfernce call where you can see his arm fully extended.

[Rotoman Profile YIM]

Hey, got a video of the unhold? Or one of Ben saying how he didn't get in?

Yep, Steelers won but don't deny for one second that the refs impacted this game.

[Iron City Man]

Ben was asked did at the time did he think he got in. He didn't say in his opinion did he get in. Also, the holding call was valid. Was it as blatant as some other holding calls? No. But it was a hold.

[Rotoman Profile YIM]

Jackson arm while extended gave no advantage to his position relative to the ball. At the time the ball is nearly to him and the defender was a) turned around and b) in no position to make a play. As a result it shouldn't have been called.

The holding call was anything but valid. He didn't grab his jersey, didn't hook his arm across his body, he pushed him wide right. Sorry, not a hold.

Show me all the video 'evidence' you want, but that ball didn't cross the goalline.

All that being said, do I think the Steelers probably would have won anyways? Probably. But I also know that the game would have be substantially better with the best referee 'crew' and not the best refs at each position. Its stupid the way the NFL let this happen and insulting the way they cover their asses afterwards. This kind of piss poor refereeing made what could have been a great game into a very boring and mediocre one. It also puts a taint on the subsequent winner. As I said before, this looked like two good teams rather than two Super ones. Blah.

[cavalierlwt Profile]

pushing off on a defender is pushing off. Maybe 9/10 a receiver gets away with pushing off, but that time he didn't.
BTW, the ball doesn' t have to cross the entire goal line, just any part of the ball has to go over any part of the white line, that's breaking the plane.

[Rotoman Profile YIM]

I agree...but both of them are handchecking and neither gained an advantage toward the ball by doing so. You don't throw the flag. Watch it again, Jackson sees Hasselback scramble and cuts his route short to work back across the endzone. The defender is playing the receiver, is out of position relative to the ball and has no play on it regardless of the handcheck. After getting his ass burned he gives his whine look to the ref and gets a flag. What people don't seem to catch is that the ball is perfectly throw where the defender has no play on it and its almost all the way there when Jackson makes his cutback. Great throw, great catch, stupid flag.

When you can clearly show me any part of that ball crossing any part of the goalline you can have the 6 points.

By the end of the week no one outside of Pittsburgh is going to remember this utterly forgettable Stuper Bowl. All I want is a great game free from controversy. I could give a rat's ass who won. Heck I had a party and most of the guest left after the 3rd quarter as the game and the commercials just blew. Its getting to the point that I'd rather watch Nascar - they market better and they are selling a much better product with higher quality athletes.

[cavalierlwt Profile]

Yeah, but it's what the ref sees and when he sees it. If the ref glanced at the two at just that instant, all he saw was the receiver push off. He doesn't make a determination whether it gained him an advantage or not, just that the receiver pushed off and then caught the ball (more than incidental contact). Like I say, 9 times out of ten, that's not called, but there's always that 1 out of ten that it is.
As for the ball breaking the plane, I hit the freeze frame on my TV, all I could see the edge of the ball lined up perfectly with the white line. Did it touch it? I'd have to know exactly to the inch where the camera is, I mean exactly. If the camera is one inch left or right of the forward edge of the goal line, it throws the view off. So, inconclusive. The ref made a call based on what he saw (where was he standing? perfectly centered, a little left, a little right?) and reviewing it they have the best possible views. If there was evidence that it didn't break the plane, they would have overturned. I'm quite sure their view in the booth and the replay cam was superior to anything you and I looked at.